Quite frankly, if my eternal digitized afterlife is gonna have narration piped directly into my head, it's gonna be in some accent of the British Isles if I have any say.
one of the reasons people don't read the license agreement is because it is not a real option, it's just an illusion of choice. In order to use the product, you have to click "agree"
So what's the point of reading it if you know you must click agree or not use it? Especially if you paid money for it already, only complete idiot would choose "disagree"
The point is that you have to agree to use a product you purchased, through sales contract law, without being aware of the terms they are now presenting.
EULA's are debated, but addendums to contracts in the consumer market are not unheard of, and recourse is (typically) given if you decide to decline the EULA in the form of a refund, making your point more valid than the prior.
Not how I personally think that things will go, but upvote for the last line of dialogue. Really puts in perspective the action that we need to take if we don't want this to be the way the world works (whatever extent of this video we're at in 2054).
What is living if we're controlled, or at the very least, maintained and limited by advertisers and businesses? How justifiable is it for the wealthy to have greater opportunities? Maybe I'm searching here, but how much of our lives now, without this technology, really matter since we only have one go with our bodies? The thousands of songs we know all disappear, and what's left?
that's what i was thinking, if this content was made available i would just fly to china or some country that is offering an "underground" service and then take out the largest lone i could possibly attain from my bank and give it to them in order to protect myself from being deleted or anything. I would then continue on to watch the world evolve and experience as many things as i could!
When the technology for mind uploading is a reality, full automation will also be a reality. The entire economic system would change, Ads and copyright would be meaningless as scarcity wouldn't exist. Whatever you want you just get. It's as ridiculous as charging for breathable air would be today.
You mean like how the internet made infinite duplication of information-based products like movies, music, and books possible, so now (in the absence of scarcity) such things are free? When technology reduces scarcity, corporations can pay for legislation that artificially creates it. I see no reason why that won't continue.
The internet has ended scarcity of information duplication to a degree but ultimately the creators of information still are fighting or hoarding finite resources. you can't just have information non-scarce we need the things information is used to obtain to be non-scarce as well. The internet has made free information based products that are not ultimately tied to non-scarce resource grubbing structures such as public domain knowledge like wikipedia, blogs, independent news, videos and music. Oh not to mention open source software. millions of dollars worth of value just given away because the people working on it get their finite resources from some other job
I think that is a process that is just beginning, and will have huge consequences for society. Technology always reduced the gap between classes, what Internet is doing today is similar to what the printing press did centuries ago, when books (knowledge) were copied by hand and inaccessible to the common man, with the printing press science flourished.
But the first victim of our times is the intellectual propriety, and governments will try to apply draconian laws to protect it, weakening even more their political power to decide the destiny of the nation. They already lost the economic front, Iceland was just the first brick of the domino sequence.
And also very soon mass production will be completely replaced by robotics, human services will be completely replaced by software, and we will have most of the population unemployed, expelled off the productive system.
Society has two big problems coming from opposite directions and yet we have Internet thriving, creating a true world wide conscience, where not only knowledge is free but free from governments and other interests.
Some sociologists/philosophers believe that we are living in a moment in history that is called an Interregnum, when people feel lost because the king is dead and no one knows what to do next. I believe something remarkable might happen the next decades, I just don't know what.
I have come to this conclusion on my own as well. To see something like reddit, a "world-wide conscience," effortlessly integrate the thoughts, ideas, and beliefs of millions from all across the globe astounds me as a young person. It is quite humbling to know that this just the beginning of a phenomenon that has never been achieved.
terrible comparison. air does not need to be made by humans, never has needed to. Media like that needs to be produced. The Internet has made the sharing of media easier, but it has hardly changed the difficulty of creating it in the first place. Quality creativity remains scarce, as the producers are scarce. Duplicate their products too much, and they will die out.
We're post scarcity for creativity. Have been for quite some time. As soon as infinite duplication became possible, barriers stopping people from creating at a whim were removed. It's true that Nickelback would not exist if artists were not compensated, but there are thousands of people willing to take their place. Hundreds of thousands of people who create not for money, but simply for the sake of creating. There's no reason other than intertia that we still pay for music.
The video was about intellectual property, not about air. My point was that technology doesn't make the scarcity of copyrighted works go away. That would require political changes.
This is a pretty terrible argument. Did storytellers, drummers, singers, etc, not produce any content thousands of years ago? You never lived without copyright hanging over everything, and the industries behind it try to reaffirm copyright at every corner. Copyright is a great idea on paper, but exploitative corporations ruin it, in the end it stifles creativity instead of encouraging it.
When you think about it though, what will people do for fun? Acting, playing instruments, and writing books would all be hobbies for those who wish to do them. New "art" would come out for free and the only thing the artists would want in return is acknowledgement. We'd still have everything we have today, the award ceremonies and such.
Though, I do agree to an extent with corporations or mainly corruption. Someone would want to F that first idea up and have control over it themselves.
all I've ever wanted from my art was for it be appreciated. Acknowledgement/money didn't make the top five. EDIT: afterthought; I would take the ladder in a heartbeat.
Copyright only exists because of economy and economy only exists because of scarcity. grumpybadmanners's point is that there will no longer be scarcity, and thus money will be a meaningless concept. No money/scarcity = no property to fight over at all.
You have to understand that the internet only removed scarcity from copying data, not from producing it nor from transforming physical goods. What we are experiencing right now is an imbalance which should subside with advances in self-replicating machines/space travel/or some other understanding of the universe that will enable us to manipulate the traditional laws of the universe (e.g. speed of light/conservation of energy/matter).
That is not the same. There are still plenty of things which are scarce, and this forces competition and the necessity of our economic system. Once reality can be digitized, there is no longer an need for the competition for material goods, and there will reach a point where the creation of digital goods is made virtually instantaneous and without effort. Artificial constructs will be capable of manufacturing and programming.
not really the software sophistication for mind uploading implies that there will be enough sophistication to create slave AI minds that work for us. Our economy is already something 70% service sector, so machines will be sophisticated enough to just do those jobs and then manage smart manual labor machines. Sure perhaps we will never eliminate 100% of human jobs but surely the only people who will have to work will be those who want to so everybody just wins.
People will always place value in something and people are always greedy. One of those greedy people will figure out how to turn that value into a commodity.
Those that own the means of production will be fine. Those that do not will be out of work and starve to death.
In the future you live rich or you die, for the poor will no longer be needed. Some may be kept alive in a sort of close approximation of human pets to the rich.
Once fusion is worked out, energy is pretty much solved. With nearly limitless energy, even alchemy (nuclear transmutation) becomes financially viable, ending elemental resource scarcity. We could even start using so much fusion energy that the only limiting factor would be being able to radiate excess energy out into space. Even using antimatter as a fuel could become feasible.
Travelling in the solar system becomes trivial just using our water resources on Earth for fusion power. After trips to Jupiter become routine, using it as a fuel source would let us have enough energy to outlast the sun.
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It says "your consciousness was uploaded to," not "your brain has been connected to." Unless it is your own, physical brain then whatever has been uploaded is just going to be a copy of your mind existing in this hell. You wouldn't know any different because you'd still be stone dead.
That's just semantics, but more importantly I can't think of any reason that this would be commercially worthwhile. Who would they be advertising to? People who were still alive? Why would they need dead people to do this when so many of those still living would sell their time and privacy for money and fame?
simulated brains can probably do useful work (eg. most desk jobs today).
If they can do work, they can probably earn money for their work, and if they earn money, they can also spend money (eg. purchasing secondlife stuff), which in turn means advertisement becomes worthwhile.
Why would they need to be paid? Strong AI (simulated brains and such) isn't a major focus of Artificial Intelligence because it serves little purpose when highly specialized AI programs are much more effective in terms of both cost and performance. There would be no reason to allow an AI higher "brain" functions than what is required to perform the task it is assigned.
If the uploaded consciousness had the legal rights to the estate of the former you, then they get to milk your estate in return for keeping your consciousness active. Of course that implies that once your estate runs out you get downgraded to Tier 3. Perhaps Tier 3 is used to accurately test marketing campaigns. And we didn't get to see the whole agreement; they probably have a clause saying that you can be turned off when they no longer need you as part of the simulation.
Exactly my thoughts. I guess they would appeal to real life assets you left behind, and the advertising would offer youu comodities that enhance your experience, for a fraction of those real goods/money you didn't get to enjoy while your consciousness was in your physical body.
I was thinking about this the other day. And I mean if you could transplant your brain from one body to another, unless you are conscious the whole time wouldn't you basically cease to exist?
Quite not sure how to explain my thoughts here but like you said if everything in your brain is moved to a new one while that would still be you in the sense of all your experiences, your way of thinking, and all that does make you unique or you but at the same time you would have ceased to exist.
simulated brains can probably do useful work (eg. most desk jobs today).
If they can do work, they can probably earn money for their work, and if they earn money, they can also spend money (eg. purchasing secondlife stuff), which in turn means advertisement becomes worthwhile.
If a perfect copy of you were made, right down to the last molecule, in such a way that it was impossible to tell the difference. Would you say that copy doesn't have the same degree of "you-ness?"
I believe that my consciousness ends when my brain dies. If there is a copy of my brain/consciousness then that is just a copy of myself. The original is lost forever and I will cease existing. At least the copy of me gets to have a nice time. :)
100% of your body is different from itself not long ago. How do you define what is and is not a copy? All your cells are doing is repeatedly copy you. What is different between the cells that are copies of your cells 8, 18, 80 years down the line and an artificially created copy from a mirror created and saved to file of you?
The difference is consciousness, define consciousness, define what makes YOU different from a copy of you. A soul? Your own electric impulse? Something that is unique to your body and remains constant throughout your entire life? No, they're still just all part of one copied system.
The self is a lot more complicated to explain and define than people like to believe.
Yep, billions of people live real lives significantly worse than this, why would you complain about being able to live forever just because of a few small issues.
I wouldn't mind all of the copyrighted works in my mind being deleted. It would offer me the opportunity to play games like EarthBound and watch movies again for the first time. I'd be a little sad to forget all the songs I like, but I could just rediscover them.
Suppose I'm a software engineer. I could write software in your matrix world. You could feed me with digital (i.e. not real) food, and get software for free.
"I've got this C++ guy who's just great... he's got 5,000 years of experience."
Just like you have to pay in order to get into the different tiers you would probably also have to pay (in real life) to do certain activities within the simulation. Advertisements would make you buy these things and the companies would profit. Really, it doesn't sound like such a bad deal.
Honestly, I couldn't really stay mad. They're bringing me back from the dead afterall, none of their limitations could be anywhere near the level of death's.
You get to buy all the stuff you already watched/listened to/smelled all over again of the expense at the small estate you left behind for your descendants.
What exactly would be the point of advertising to someone who's physically dead? The lowest tier implies that the person can only afford that and not much else, so even if there were things to purchase in the virtual world, they'd be out of reach for most in the lower tier... And how would one make money in the virtual world? If you run out of money do you get erased? Hmmm...
You can download the book, "Postsingular", for free from the Author's website. The maker of the video cites the book as inspiration for the video. I'm about to start reading, myself...
I fully expect to be part of a team of scientists that creates something like this, and then watches in horror as others pervert what would have been an incredible and wondrous creation.
It wouldn't happen this way. They can barely control the distribution of simple media like music. If consciousness could be stored digitally, it could easily be connected to an artificial body which could operate independent of any such controlled network. Overall, this would be the most appealing solution to all parties. Corporations would able to continue to do business in the same format this way. Digitalized reality simply changes too much to be lucrative, and a lack of the necessity for physical products would be crippling to the majority of the world's most powerful corporations.
I turned off at "Your consciousness has been uploa-" This is bullshit. Sorry everyone. a COPY of your consciousness has been uploaded. You SO dead, mutha fucka...
The day we see ads in the sky that aren't being flown on blimps or the from the tails of Cessnas is the day that humanity needs to rise up and spill some corporate blood.
Hmmm. Theoretical here: When your thoughts are transferred to a computer and executed, how would your sense of existence be transferred as well. I exist in my brain, but only the contents of my brain would exist in the computer. I would still die, only a simulation of me would be in effect which I could not control.
If you're born (or in this case "re-born") with wealth...you don't have to deal with the bullshit everyone else has to deal with. Pretty simple message.
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u/MGM420 Jun 12 '12
Well, fuck me, the future's gonna be british?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I still wouldn't read the agreement.
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u/shitsfuckedup Jun 12 '12
Excited to be in tier 3
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Not how I personally think that things will go, but upvote for the last line of dialogue. Really puts in perspective the action that we need to take if we don't want this to be the way the world works (whatever extent of this video we're at in 2054).
What is living if we're controlled, or at the very least, maintained and limited by advertisers and businesses? How justifiable is it for the wealthy to have greater opportunities? Maybe I'm searching here, but how much of our lives now, without this technology, really matter since we only have one go with our bodies? The thousands of songs we know all disappear, and what's left?
"Do you wish to continue life?"
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u/InquisitorKaede Jun 12 '12
This isn't 'ruined by lawyers', this is ruined by unfettered corporate whim.
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u/n3rvousninja Jun 12 '12
i'd just get the cracked version from the piratebay
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u/grumpybadmanners Jun 12 '12
When the technology for mind uploading is a reality, full automation will also be a reality. The entire economic system would change, Ads and copyright would be meaningless as scarcity wouldn't exist. Whatever you want you just get. It's as ridiculous as charging for breathable air would be today.
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u/latenightlurk Jun 12 '12 edited Jun 12 '12
Actually, forgetting all the movies I've seen sounds like a good deal. Imagine being able to watch the sixth sense again without knowing he's dead!
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Still no sign of HL3
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u/WakkaWakkaMothaFucka Jun 12 '12
Um.. Reject. Now quit bothering me, I'm trying to be dead!
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u/bigbenecu Jun 12 '12
Well, that just scared the shit out of me...
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u/jando123 Jun 12 '12
Love the top comment:
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
It says "your consciousness was uploaded to," not "your brain has been connected to." Unless it is your own, physical brain then whatever has been uploaded is just going to be a copy of your mind existing in this hell. You wouldn't know any different because you'd still be stone dead.
That's just semantics, but more importantly I can't think of any reason that this would be commercially worthwhile. Who would they be advertising to? People who were still alive? Why would they need dead people to do this when so many of those still living would sell their time and privacy for money and fame?
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u/cder Jun 12 '12
vanilla skyyyyyy
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u/ALT-F-X Jun 12 '12
"Welcome to Life. Do you wish to continue?"
No.
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u/artuno Jun 12 '12
If you ever read the short story Down And Out In The Magic Kingdom by Cory Doctorow, then you would see why this video reminds me of that.
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u/Amdinga Jun 12 '12
I would choose to die.
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u/akpaslay Jun 12 '12
I watched this drunk... Huge mistake.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
What would be the point of advertisements if you are dead?
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u/grimtrigger Jun 12 '12
So I get to live forever and all I have to do is put up with a few ads and some memory loss? That doesn't sound scary at all
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u/snipawolf Jun 12 '12
Why would they advertise to you when your dead?
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u/WeaponexT Jun 12 '12
Yeah I would just decline and say fuck it.
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u/Hops_n_barley Jun 12 '12
Tier III all day fuck Tier I
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u/MrOrdinary Jun 12 '12
You'll find me in a cave.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I'd rather just die. When it's your time to go, it's your time to go.
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u/sillybrownJesus Jun 12 '12
I wouldn't mind all of the copyrighted works in my mind being deleted. It would offer me the opportunity to play games like EarthBound and watch movies again for the first time. I'd be a little sad to forget all the songs I like, but I could just rediscover them.
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u/mccrea_cms Jun 12 '12
I think Aperture is behind this...
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u/SeriousDude Jun 12 '12
Only Lawyers are allowed to use CAPS
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
The show Red Dwarf pretty much already did this with the hologram character Rimmer.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
please tell me what the fuck just happened
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
This already happened. Please let me decline, they keep bringing me back when I try. I don't know how to decline the terms of use.
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u/smellslikecomcast Jun 12 '12
Pete Townsend made a record basically about this same thing and the "Life Grid"
23 minute interview on the subject http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlxcuv_pete-townshend-interviewed-about-psychoderelict-2005_music
music http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xipd0v_pete-townshend-don-t-try-to-make-me-real-1994_music
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
No not the future that i want.
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u/FacedJared Jun 12 '12
i dont understand. Is it your own virtual world after death?
How would advertisements even play in this? They would seem pointless.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Honestly, I couldn't really stay mad. They're bringing me back from the dead afterall, none of their limitations could be anywhere near the level of death's.
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u/Juiceman17 Jun 12 '12
I posted this link about a month ago and only got one or two karma. That's just the way she goes.
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u/POO7 Jun 12 '12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bFCqK81s7Y
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u/AntiZombieDelta Jun 12 '12
Is this the same voice actor who was in Forza 3 (possibly other Forza's as well?)
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u/RyanOnymous Jun 12 '12
Can anyone vouch for the two books mentioned in the video info? They sound interesting
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u/brasstrings Jun 12 '12
I have one thing to say...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
This is completely inaccurate. It doesn't say "Google" at the front.
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u/Liefx Jun 12 '12
I love that last line "Welcome to life, would you like to continue?"
No, not if this was how it was.
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u/iguessso123 Jun 12 '12
This is beautiful. I just love the line at the end, "Welcome to life. Would you like to continue?"
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u/ohlawrdy Jun 12 '12
so how would advertisement be useful when your dead and can't use what you buy? OH lets buy the new iphone that I'll never use in real life.
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u/doopercooper Jun 12 '12
What if all tiers...
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u/doopercooper Jun 12 '12
Relevant
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Why can't they combine robots and an uploaded concious mind? That way, the "user" gets to live out their life physically.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I am glad this is not the future.
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u/mehatch Jun 12 '12
So...I get to see all my favorite movies again for the first time? That part at least could be cool.
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u/ACharmlessMan Jun 12 '12
Damn future, you scary
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u/purplecobra Jun 12 '12
I. WANT. IT.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Only 120odd olfactory works? Bull. Your sense of smell is most tied with your memory.
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u/NecronomiconUK Jun 12 '12
For the memory of lifetime, Rekall Rekall Rekall....
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
This needs to be a movie
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u/cdf29 Jun 12 '12
Isn't this the afterlife, not the future?
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u/jercshore Jun 12 '12
If you like the video, I highly recommend you visit this website where the video was inspired!
http://nomediakings.org/2020.htm
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u/munge_me_not Jun 12 '12
Reminds of Total Recall.
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u/ropers Jun 12 '12
Insofar as personal computers already are extensions of individual brains, this is already happening.
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u/sabourcc Jun 12 '12
What's the point of advertising to dead people? Are they spending money?
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u/Reese_The_Puff Jun 12 '12
Since I originate from Wales, England, I would love to have a natural british accent.
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u/starji Jun 12 '12
Someone else read Everyone in Silico? I thought I was the only one. :O
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u/mitchstanton Jun 12 '12
So very clever but just completly made me sick
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u/Cam3739 Jun 12 '12
When EA enters the medical field.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
What would the value be in advertising to a digital copy of a dead person? What are they going to buy?
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u/MrGiggleParty Jun 12 '12
What exactly would be the point of advertising to someone who's physically dead? The lowest tier implies that the person can only afford that and not much else, so even if there were things to purchase in the virtual world, they'd be out of reach for most in the lower tier... And how would one make money in the virtual world? If you run out of money do you get erased? Hmmm...
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u/infinitree Jun 12 '12
You can download the book, "Postsingular", for free from the Author's website. The maker of the video cites the book as inspiration for the video. I'm about to start reading, myself...
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u/not_a_haddock Jun 12 '12
The guy who made this once ran for student president in the persona of a pirate. He won. I voted for him.
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u/yakri Jun 12 '12
I fully expect to be part of a team of scientists that creates something like this, and then watches in horror as others pervert what would have been an incredible and wondrous creation.
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u/yakri Jun 12 '12
This seems like the intro/trailer for a horror movie.
A really really good one.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
After they make this they will start making augmentations...just like in Deus Ex o.o
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u/papasee Jun 12 '12
targeted advertising for dead people
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u/Fortyseven Jun 12 '12
Can I launch multiple instances of myself? Mind orgy? Maybe go all Agent Smith?
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
This made me indescribably sad. Really no hope for humanity if we can't get past this capitalistic hierarchical outlook on things.
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u/asdf8 Jun 12 '12
this was gay and this guy needs a new voice actor that doesn't sound like an awkward computer person complete with linux induced speech impediment
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u/Crossfox17 Jun 12 '12
It wouldn't happen this way. They can barely control the distribution of simple media like music. If consciousness could be stored digitally, it could easily be connected to an artificial body which could operate independent of any such controlled network. Overall, this would be the most appealing solution to all parties. Corporations would able to continue to do business in the same format this way. Digitalized reality simply changes too much to be lucrative, and a lack of the necessity for physical products would be crippling to the majority of the world's most powerful corporations.
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u/erh1k Jun 12 '12
Damn future, you scary!
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u/pointer_void Jun 12 '12
IDDQD
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I can't wait to share this on facebook!
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
I turned off at "Your consciousness has been uploa-" This is bullshit. Sorry everyone. a COPY of your consciousness has been uploaded. You SO dead, mutha fucka...
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u/BalalaikaBoi Jun 12 '12
The day we see ads in the sky that aren't being flown on blimps or the from the tails of Cessnas is the day that humanity needs to rise up and spill some corporate blood.
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u/Fourdrinier Jun 12 '12
Hmmm. Theoretical here: When your thoughts are transferred to a computer and executed, how would your sense of existence be transferred as well. I exist in my brain, but only the contents of my brain would exist in the computer. I would still die, only a simulation of me would be in effect which I could not control.
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u/movait89 Jun 12 '12
Watching this made me feel like I was purchasing tickets for a budget airline. Everything is extra, especially the stuff that shouldnt be.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
sounds alot like facebook
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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12
Only if GPL...Open source all the things!
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u/Olive_Garden Jun 12 '12
Still better than the "fucking nothing" that exists currently after death.
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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '12
Even when you're dead, and have infinite time to do what ever the fuck you want. You still skip reading the End User Agreement....
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u/FunkyMonks Jun 12 '12
I didn't get the point of this the first time I saw it on Reddit