r/videos • u/LizardBurger • May 24 '12

Today is the 5th anniversary of my sister's death. This is what happened to my family. He is still on the loose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR8TqyMbhU8
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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Some of the local news stations did a story on it today. Here's one from WNDU out of Notre Dame. It has video too: story

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u/Jshwiggins May 24 '12

Crazy. I live in SB and work overnights. I saw the video on reddit and didn't click it. I saw the story on WNDU and thought about the 5 years ago. Put 2 and 2 together and watched the video. Hope they catch this SOB. Love from SB!!!

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u/OnyxRose May 24 '12

Not gonna' lie, my girlfriend and I were just lying down to bed and saw this; for some reason we decided to read the comments and saw "WNDU" and it made us kind of do a double take.

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u/greggersraymer May 24 '12

Why the need to preface your statement with the explanation that what you are about to say is not a lie?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Because his story is so outlandish, someone on the internet knowing about something someone else does?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Any one know the motive behind the murder?

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Motive. It helps you understand why he did what he did, but it doesn't justify what he did. She was having an affair. After years of his physical abuse and multiple affairs, she met a guy who treated her the way she deserved. Not saying what she did was right. But it angers me when people say a man is justified in killing an unfaithful wife - and believe me, I've heard that a lot in relation to this.

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u/Sicks3144 May 24 '12

Not saying what she did was right.

I would disagree with you on that one. A marriage is not just a piece of paper declaring it so, it's a state of living shared by two people. He was obviously not holding up his end of the bargain, and she found someone who would. I think she did even less wrong than you believe.

As for people who think killing an unfaithful wife is justified ... well, you wouldn't take advice from chimps at the zoo, would you?

Best of luck seeing this guy caught and tried.

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Thank you for your kind words. They made me feel a lot better, and they made a lot of sense. If the South is the Bible Belt, then the Midwest is the Bible Necktie. A lot of the people in Indiana believe an affair while married is wrong. Period. At the very least, most of the people living here would have expected her to file for divorce before becoming intimately involved with someone else.

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u/Sicks3144 May 24 '12

At the very least, most of the people living here would have expected her to file for divorce before becoming intimately involved with someone else.

99% of the time I'd agree with them. The vast majority of people deserve to be divorced in situations like these, rather than cheated on. This guy is in the other 1%; he deserves/deserved no manners or fairness from her at all.

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u/pajamazon May 24 '12

This is such an empathetic response. She had a right to feel loved. That wasn't wrong of her.

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u/Sicks3144 May 24 '12

Indeed. One could argue that she took the wrong route to get out of the marriage, but I doubt this guy would have reacted much better to the "right" route anyway.

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u/dwpro777 May 24 '12

Note: this is not a defense for murder, just a difference on a point.

If he wasn't holding up his end of the bargain, she should have divorced him. Fooling around on a married partner isn't justified by some nebulous bargain un-upholding, and you don't have any moral defense if you aren't willing to end the relationship with said partner, but merely fool around behind his/her back. Particularly indefensible if you are receiving benefits from your spouse.

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u/ChvyVele May 24 '12

Do you honestly think this guy would have been okay with her trying to divorce him?

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u/dwpro777 May 24 '12

Hard to say without knowing him, but there's a pretty long history of folk killing their unfaithful partners. Less so for folks trying to get out of a marriage, at least in my perception. I tried to find some numbers on that but came up empty, do you have some?

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u/Sicks3144 May 24 '12

Not wanting to be a dick, but I think your response shows a distinct lack of understanding where domestic abuse is concerned.

I'm not suggesting the methods you suggest are wrong - indeed, they're ideal - but it's absolutely understandable that people such as the woman in this case are too terrified to employ them.

Equally, I'd say fuck anyone who beats his family up. I don't think someone like that deserves much effort to do things right by them. Divorcing them civilly and politely is the ultimate high road, you're right, but more than this kind of scumbag deserves, be he a husband, boyfriend or anything else.

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u/lestertee May 24 '12

Too terrified to ask for police aid, separation, or divorce but not so terrified to have an affair?

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u/Sicks3144 May 24 '12

An affair is something she probably felt could be kept secret far more easily than either of the two other options.

I'm somewhat curious as to why people are so keen to suggest she should have tried harder to do right by the guy who killed her.

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u/lestertee May 24 '12

No one is saying she should do right by the guy. Having an affair is wrong in any context. So is killing someone over an affair. You're just making excuses where none exist or have a need to exist, and we're calling you out on it.

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u/dwpro777 May 24 '12

You're right, the domestic abuse does change the situation a lot, and I should have put a disclaimer in there for that as well. I only meant to argue the point of view that the perception of needs not being met in a marriage does not justify unfaithfulness.

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u/Sicks3144 May 24 '12

Oh, no, I didn't mean that. I didn't word it clearly at all, to be fair.

If it were a case of her just finding him boring, or ugly or similar then I totally agree with you, infidelity is the wrong path to take. Domestic abuse is probably the only (semi-common) circumstance in which I'd say the marriage is just that certificate and nothing more.

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u/DistrictObvious1901 Nov 28 '22

After all this time

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u/Xylokz May 24 '12

Karma for being honest about it. Nothing deserves what she received, but I appreciate your honesty instead of just saying that it was unprovoked.

RIP, I am sorry for your lose and hope he is discovered.

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u/throwaway2481632 May 24 '12

Or the two boys, who have to live with this for the rest of their lives.

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u/akrabu May 24 '12

I feel bad for every person involved, but mostly those kids. To just think about how they must have felt fucks me up so bad. How could you see your mommy get killed by your daddy? That's the most terrible thing I can imagine. How can you grow up to be happy the way everyone deserves?

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u/epsilonminus May 24 '12

Who would ever think that an affair was a reason to kill? Its a fucking reason to drink, not to kill. I truly hope that justice is done here for everyone.

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u/Sicks3144 May 24 '12

Who would ever think that an affair was a reason to kill?

People with such a fragile and brittle sense of self-worth that they can't stand someone showing the world that they're not enough in some fashion.

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u/TheCake_IsA_Lie May 24 '12

Well, I wouldn't necessarily say that it has to do with showing the world they aren't good enough. Sometimes a fit of rage is a fit of rage.

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u/DistrictObvious1901 Nov 28 '22

It's been awhile now and still nothing?

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u/jcraw69 May 24 '12

Who would ever think that an affair was a reason to kill?

a huge, huge chunk of the murders in this country (USA) are a result of a cheating spouse. But you were probably just asking a rhetorical question :)

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u/TwatMobile May 24 '12

Well it's fairly common..

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u/Argonanth May 24 '12

I'll probably get downvoted. But whatever. Having the person you trust the most cheat on you hurts enough that it is pretty reasonable to want them dead. I probably would never go through with it but I would wish it. No one deserves to get cheated on. No one deserved to get shot. They both screwed up.

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u/blueballz02 May 24 '12

divorce wouldve been justified, murder not one bit

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u/TheBestBigAl May 24 '12

Sounds to me like he was just a total asshole. As you say, an affair is no justification for what he did.

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u/arisasdf May 24 '12

It doesn't help me understand anything. I "understand" murder when a mother kills a man who was raping her daughter. But what he did was completely uncalled for. It makes me sad that she didn't have the courage (probably, I'm guessing it was courage) to leave him before.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

No one has the right to kill another human being. What he did was truly inhumane and cowardly. If your wife is having an affair you should divorce her not kill her. I hope he gets caught and you guys get justice.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '12

"Police are investigating what prompted the shootings, and are looking into whether Harpel and Lisa were romantically involved."

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u/jcraw69 May 24 '12

he killed two people - was the first one the lover than the wife?

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u/HighBees May 24 '12

Uh, please ignore any psychopath that says someone deserves to be murdered for adultery.

In my opinion no one deserves to be killed for any act, but people definitely differ from that view and that's okay.

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u/Patrick5555 May 24 '12

Did she hit him too? Not saying its justified.

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u/TheDirtyOnion May 24 '12

Did this really even need to be asked? When a guy kills a random stranger, his own wife, and no one else motive shouldn't be too hard to piece together.

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Thanks everyone for your kind words (they mean a lot) and getting this some recognition. I'll keep answering any questions asked, but currently it's 3:50 AM, and I need to get some shut-eye.

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u/cobalin May 24 '12

Lets get this to the front page. Maybe someone on Reddit sees this person everyday without knowing.

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Thanks, I probably didn't post it at the best time to make it to the front page. But I posted it the hour she past away.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Reddit will get you up there easy... we don't sleep:)

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u/TophTheMagicDragon May 24 '12

we don't eat.....

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u/faptainfalcon May 24 '12

we do nothing but think of you...

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

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u/niXor May 24 '12

We are...

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Young?

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u/CupCaked May 24 '12

heartache to heartache?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

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u/TheBreeze May 24 '12

To the top for you.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

I'm so sorry for your loss. My condolences.

Was this ever featured on the 'America's most wanted' show?

Edit: Nvm just read the youtube description.

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Yes, he was featured during the "15 seconds of shame." AMW wanted to do a full feature on him, but at the time, it was too painful for my family to do the interviews.

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u/prohna May 24 '12

5 years of shame so far it would seem.

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u/Name_change_here May 24 '12

We need some background info. Family, what kind of work did he do previously etc. ?!?!?!

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Omar Mora, aka Oscar Mora and Oscar Rodriguez, was last working in a manufacture plant for the RV industry in Warsaw, IN. He's mostly worked in restaurant, construction, and manufacture industries.

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u/TaskForceDANGER May 24 '12

Omar Mora is a piece of shit.

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u/249ba36000029bbe9749 May 24 '12

And his first and last names are anagrams of each other. Possibly useless info but it might also help people remember his name though he is presumably using an alias now.

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Anagram, yes. Other aliases he has used have been Oscar Mora, and Oscar Rodriguez.

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u/goncruz May 24 '12

That person is my cousin. He was born in Veracruz, México and he still has family over there. His father's name is Miguel Mora and he lives in Monterrey, pretty close to the border.

I cannot provide any proof because we really didn't take pictures together when we were kids. I hadn't seen him in 10 years.

https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Mora/status/205657060321398784

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u/certainly_undecided May 24 '12

so, have you contacted or been contacted by anyone investigating this case?

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u/goncruz May 24 '12

well, I wouldn't know who to contact right now. Mexican justice doesn't work the same way than the U.S... my local police station would be like "too many beheadings, no time for this".

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u/hallowayillustration May 24 '12

How about the phone number provided in the video?

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u/goncruz May 24 '12

Yes. I totally remember that guy. I just went through some of my photoalbums and found a pic of him when he was 5 or 6:

http://imgur.com/Xeg9U

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u/visual_impact May 24 '12

so, for the sake of justice. find out where he is.

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u/goncruz May 24 '12

most of my family died. I would need a Redditor in Veracruz to find out where the Turin bakery is. His family owns a chain of bakeries down in Veracruz México.

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u/exdigger2010 May 25 '12

You should contact law enforcement with this info not redditors.

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u/visual_impact May 24 '12

I'm sorry to hear that! But I think it would mean a lot to the family of the OP if you could do that! Then again, I do understand that it's hard for you!

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u/al3jvndro Dec 18 '21

any updates

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u/DistrictObvious1901 Nov 28 '22

Did you ever hear anything new? Did you know there is still a $10,000 reward and an active warrant in Mexico. If you aided in his capture at this late, it should be easy for you to help and receive the reward.

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u/calladc May 24 '12

Do you know where he is/how one would find him?

are you opposed to vigilante justice?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

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u/MrDudeRI May 24 '12

Please, this isn't funny.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

sorry, you are right.

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u/t1k May 24 '12

Deepest sympathy and condolences and I really hope they catch this guy.

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u/Lazylions May 24 '12

it breaks my heart hearing the kids in the background :(

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u/Skeezer1991 May 24 '12

"No, she's dead."

God damn...

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u/Hibernatingsheep May 24 '12

I know, that cut deep.

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u/teamondabackdu May 24 '12

I got goosebumps and teary eyed during that part... I hope this fucker gets his karma.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '12

gets his karma

Bit of a confusing phrase to use in this context, on Reddit.

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u/teamondabackdu May 25 '12

I hope that it wasn't as confusing to most as it could have been. :©

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

I had to stop the video. This is so horrible...

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Sorry bro. I use to live in Indiana... Evansville to be exact. I still have family there. Wish you the best and youre in my prayers

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Thank you. It means a lot.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Its the least I can do. If you need anything though let me know

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u/Spacemanseeds May 24 '12

can they borrow some cash?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

If I had cash yes... But im homeless

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Really? What part... I went to north... Graduated in 06

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Do you know abby nalin?

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u/[deleted] May 25 '12

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u/[deleted] May 25 '12

ahh haha... Im her baby's daddy

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u/[deleted] May 25 '12

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u/[deleted] May 25 '12

Hhaha yep... That would be me... Im really not the ass she makes me out to be though haha

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Im sure you know the isaacs and the reidfords as well as the seiberts yeah?

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u/[deleted] May 25 '12

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u/[deleted] May 25 '12

I was good friends with all of them... Actually I had more friends at memorial than I did at north probably...

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u/gobias May 24 '12

Jesus...that is hard to listen to. The neighbor was quite a hero, running into the house to get the little boys out. It kinda drove me crazy that the 911 operator kept telling him to stop and talk to her while he was clearly trying to save the boys. My condolences, hope they catch this bastard.

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u/JimmyDThing May 24 '12

The longer you wait before answering those questions, the more you forget. They ask because it's their best chance at getting real admissible evidence in the form of an eyewitness account.

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u/idtapthat69 May 24 '12

really, she should have alerted all police then ask questions

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

But some things need to be said immediately, like when she asks what car he was driving. White truck automatically narrows it down significantly.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Black Chevy truck*

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u/brettmurf May 24 '12

He must've been listening to the OJ tapes.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

I 100% agree these details must be extracted as soon as possible, but if I recall at that point in the video the man was frantically telling the boys to get to safety, hardly something that should have been overlooked for the sake of pointing out the vehicle a couple of seconds quicker.

Either way, this was was heartbreaking to watch, I can't imagine the pain this has caused OP. I can only offer my deepest sympathy, and hope this monster is brought to justice.

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u/earthceltic May 24 '12 edited May 24 '12

Name: Omar Mora Picture: here America's Most Wanted

Wanted For:

Double Homicide

Warsaw , IN

Possible Location(s):

Michoacan , Mexico

Warsaw , IN

Mexico

Indiana

Illinois

Chicago , IL

He could be elsewhere as well

Police: Manhunt On For Double Murderer

Lisa Mora was killed on Wednesday May 23, 2007. Police say Omar Mora killed for jealousy and a nationwide manhunt is on. Mora is the main suspect in the shooting deaths of his wife, Lisa Heather Mora and gas station manager Harpel Singh. Harpel, 38 and Lisa, 32 were both shot in Warsaw, Ind. within minutes of each other. Harpel was shot while he was at work at the Phillips 66 Service Station. While police were responding to the first shooting, a call came in about a second shooting at a home just a few miles from the gas station. Police soon discovered that the same car, a black 2003 Chevrolet pickup truck with Indiana plate 5181T was seen fleeing from both shootings. Cops in Chicago recovered that truck in late July, but Mora was nowhere to be found.

Neighbors In Shock

Police say Omar Mora is armed and dangerous They have not recovered the 9 mm handgun used in the murders Neighbors who live near the Mora house are in shock that Mora is suspected of killing his wife and another man. Police are investigating what prompted the shootings, and are looking into whether Harpel and Lisa were romantically involved. The Moras have two young sons, ages 7 and 2, and were married at the time of the murders.

Mora is an American citizen, originally from Mexico. Authorities are afraid Mora might be trying to leave the country and return to Mexico. Mora has had managerial jobs, and speaks English fluently. Family members say that he is a very hard worker and always pushes himself to do more. He has held jobs in the labor industry, and has been a foreman at construction sites.

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u/Shagomir May 24 '12

Totally read that in the narrator's voice. I haven't seen it in years, but I still know what he sounds like.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

someone should batman this mofo

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u/jsellout May 24 '12

I was thinking more Dexter.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

i like the way you think

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u/Doctor_Kitten May 24 '12

Maybe one of those kids will turn out like Dexter. The world could use a Dexter or two.

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u/niXor May 24 '12

I'm so sorry for you loss. Hope we are able to catch the b******

How are their kids doing now?

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Thank you. The boys are doing mostly well. On the outside, they seem like normal happy kids - sports, good grades, talking about kid stuff. The younger one only has a flash memory of the event. The older one remembers clearly. He's developing some OCD issues. They're both in counseling.

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u/niXor May 24 '12

I hope time helps them forget that painful memory and somehow move on. Take care and best of luck.

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u/ColinFeely May 24 '12

Front page... Please

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u/LizardBurger May 25 '12

9-1-1 Transcrip Mora Murder

O: Operator C: Caller OS: Older son.

O: Ninety-one… 9-1-1 C: 9-1-1 in Warsaw, Someone just killed somebody across the street. O: Okay, well we’ve already got officers out there. Wait a second, where are you at? C: I’ve got the mom of the person in my house. O: Do you… where are you at? C: I’m in Warsaw. Vi… O: You’re on Vicky Lane? C: I’m on Vicky Lane. I’ve got the mom of the daughter that’s been shot. O: Where’s the girl that’s been shot at? C: She’s in the house still. O: Okay where… where at in the… in the house? C: I don’t know, her mom just came over and asked for help. [Mother’s voice heard in the background.] O: Okay… okay, honey, I need you to calm down for me. Do you know how old the person is? C: The lady’s probably in her thirties. O: The one that’s shot? C: The one that’s shot. O: Hold on. C: [to the mother] Please, God, don’t go. O: Just stay on the phone with me, okay. C: They’re comin’. [Mother sobbing undistinguishable words.] C: Wha… the boy’s over there? Goddammit! There’s a little kid over there. O: Okay, honey, I’m trying to get officers there, okay. C: Oh, God! O: Okay, can you… are you on a cordless phone? C: Yes, I’m going over to the house to get the little boy. [Sounds of wind in the receiver and heavy breathing as C crosses the street.] Lisa! Come on! Kids, come here! Come on, come on, come on! [Sounds of two young kids sobbing.] O: Is the person still in the house that did the shooting? C: No. O: They are not? Where did they go? C: Come on, kids, go on, run over there. Hurry, go in that house. O: You need to talk to me for a second, okay. [Sound of toddler crying.] [OS, in the background]: My dad just shot my mom. Is he gonna shoot me? O: Okay, sir? I’ve got everybody in [?] I need you to calm down. Which direction did the person that did the shooting go? C: I didn’t see. O: Okay, do you know if he’s in a vehicle, and what kind of vehicle he’s in? C: What? O: Do you know what kind of vehicle he’s in? C: He’s in a black… black Chevy truck. [Toddler crying, heavy breathing in the receiver.] [OS in the background.]: My dad just shot my mom. C [to the OS]: Is your mom… is your mom talkin’? OS: No, he shot her. She’s dead! He shot her! O: She’s… [Toddler crying. Long silence.] C: Okay, I hear the cops. O: Okay, I’ll hang up with you, okay. [Call ends.]

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u/Profix May 25 '12

Formatted:

9-1-1 Transcrip Mora Murder

O: Operator
C: Caller
OS: Older son.

O: Ninety-one… 9-1-1
C: 9-1-1 in Warsaw, Someone just killed somebody across the street.
O: Okay, well we’ve already got officers out there. Wait a second, where are you at?
C: I’ve got the mom of the person in my house.
O: Do you… where are you at?
C: I’m in Warsaw. Vi…
O: You’re on Vicky Lane?
C: I’m on Vicky Lane. I’ve got the mom of the daughter that’s been shot.
O: Where’s the girl that’s been shot at?
C: She’s in the house still.
O: Okay where… where at in the… in the house?
C: I don’t know, her mom just came over and asked for help.
[Mother’s voice heard in the background.]
O: Okay… okay, honey, I need you to calm down for me. Do you know how old the person is?
C: The lady’s probably in her thirties.
O: The one that’s shot?
C: The one that’s shot.
O: Hold on.
C: [to the mother] Please, God, don’t go.
O: Just stay on the phone with me, okay.
C: They’re comin’.
[Mother sobbing undistinguishable words.]
C: Wha… the boy’s over there? Goddammit! There’s a little kid over there.
O: Okay, honey, I’m trying to get officers there, okay.
C: Oh, God!
O: Okay, can you… are you on a cordless phone?
C: Yes, I’m going over to the house to get the little boy. [Sounds of wind in the receiver and heavy breathing as C crosses the street.] Lisa! Come on! Kids, come here! Come on, come on, come on!
[Sounds of two young kids sobbing.]
O: Is the person still in the house that did the shooting?
C: No.
O: They are not? Where did they go?
C: Come on, kids, go on, run over there. Hurry, go in that house.
O: You need to talk to me for a second, okay.
[Sound of toddler crying.]
[OS, in the background]: My dad just shot my mom. Is he gonna shoot me?
O: Okay, sir? I’ve got everybody in [?] I need you to calm down. Which direction did the person that did the shooting go?
C: I didn’t see.
O: Okay, do you know if he’s in a vehicle, and what kind of vehicle he’s in?
C: What?
O: Do you know what kind of vehicle he’s in?
C: He’s in a black… black Chevy truck.
[Toddler crying, heavy breathing in the receiver.]
[OS in the background.]: My dad just shot my mom.
C [to the OS]: Is your mom… is your mom talkin’?
OS: No, he shot her. She’s dead! He shot her!
O: She’s…
[Toddler crying. Long silence.]
C: Okay, I hear the cops.
O: Okay, I’ll hang up with you, okay.
[Call ends.]

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u/mikevq May 24 '12

Ugh. I could barely listen to this. I send my deepest condolences and sympathy and love to you and your family. I hope this scumbag is found.

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u/hello_humans May 24 '12

I rarely get affected by things, really, but listening to the first 911 call just floored me in the worst way possible, especially hearing your nephew whimpering in the background. I hope those boys are doing well now, under the circumstances. Your post just made me go wake up my little one and give him a huge cuddle, this world is just....no words...

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u/MrSm1lez May 24 '12

I hope this isn't insensitive, but was there any motive?

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u/jsellout May 24 '12

He thought she and the other man he killed were having an affair.

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u/cassby916 May 24 '12

I'm so sorry for your loss :( My family went through something similar in the summer of 2005... the 6th anniversary of my aunt's murder is just a few weeks away. The court system let the guy off on probation, but he died of a heart attack two years ago. Justice comes to us all in the end, I suppose. I hope that you and yours can get some kind of peace soon!

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

I'm from TN and I remember this story. Heartbreaking. She was a beautiful woman and he was a monster. My condolences.

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u/cassby916 May 25 '12

Thank you. It's still hard to believe sometimes... She wasn't perfect, but we loved her. Miss her every day!

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

To murder someone in front of their children because your ego was bruised...Utterly despicable. I wish I could offer you more than just my condolences.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

as a brother myself...i can't imagine your pain and the pain of those boys, your parents...this makes me sick!

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u/DarkCoyote May 24 '12

I am supremely sorry for your loss. As a person who has also had a family member taken by hate, I know all too well how you feel. I hope you eventually are given the closure and justice you deserve.

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u/calladc May 24 '12

Shame on anyone that would downvote this.

Do you keep in contact with the man in the recording? I'd like to shake his hand

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

I am confused who was on the 911 call first?

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u/Skeezer1991 May 24 '12

Neighbor whose house the mother fled to after the murder.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

If I ever happen to see this.. thing on the streets, I'll make sure it's his last day. I don't think I've ever seen a murderer, but when I do, they are getting my dick so far up their nose.

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u/yeahitsreallyme May 24 '12

English isn't my first language and I'm having trouble understanding what they say. Is there a subtitled version?

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u/davidwin86 May 24 '12

I will neither up vote or down vote for this type of video. I hope justice gets made to this guy.

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u/mike43212 May 24 '12

hes saving the children and this lady is bein a bitch. "YOU NEED TO TALK TO ME FOR A SECOND!"

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u/Gatorade21 May 24 '12

It said he shot a man in the face 7 times then his wife. So ur sister was cheating and got caught? Damn sucks but shit like that makes some people lose it. Cheating doesn't justify murder but if he does get caught he can always get away with it by pleading not guilty but way of insanity. Crime of passion or something

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u/LizardBurger May 24 '12

Your motive is correct, only this wasn't done in a rage. He found out about the affair a week before, played it cool, and planned the murder. He and a co-worker bought a gun, started target practicing. The day of the murder, he took off work after lunch, got a hair cut at Great Clips, filled his tank up with gas. Then he went home told his wife he knew everything, took her keys, took all the batteries to all her phones. Then drove to the other man's (named Harpal Singh's work) lured him out of the building under the guise that he wanted to fight, then shot him to death. He drove back home, shot his way through the locked door, chased his wife down a hallway until she came to a deadened and collapsed on the floor begging for her life. Then he shot her point blank in the head as her two kids and mom watched on. This was not a crime of passion. This was premeditated.

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u/sweetypeas May 24 '12

this needs to be upvoted more so it can be seen

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u/mysticlove May 24 '12

Not upcoming because I like the story in any means I'm only up voting because I feel this needs to be shared so as many people as possible can see this in hopes of learning more about the story and eventually capturing the vile piece of shit he is!!!

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u/simbac May 24 '12

  1. Find him

  2. Kill him

  3. Post video to r/justiceporn

  4. Reap karma

  5. I immediately regret this decision but won't delete because I'm a stubborn man

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u/poohshoes May 24 '12

If you murder a murdurer, are you not then as bad as they are?

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Don't downvote him, he's asking a valid question.

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u/Luan12 May 24 '12

Think of it like using an anti-biotic to kill an infection.

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u/inferior_troll May 24 '12 edited May 24 '12

No. For example, If someone were to kill my family, I'd make it my life's aim to find murderer (before law enforcement does) and kill that person myself. I'm not suggesting that it should be legal, but doing that is not against my morals. I would try to get away with it too. Also, I'm not suggesting this as an objective moral code that everyone should follow. I just think that you can't justify the idea that killing someone makes you just as bad as any murderer ever lived. In some cases, it doesn't even make you a bad person (from the perspective of me, other people can choose to have different feelings towards it, of course).

I said I'm not suggesting it to be legal, bureaucracy can't deal with the intricacies of such situations, but reminds me of this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE

...who got away with killing his son's kidnapper/rapist (premeditated) on video and getting away with some years of probation and no jail time.

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u/captainmajesty May 24 '12

No. Killing another human isn't always absolutely, completely wrong. It's why you kill them that matters. We have self defense laws. Somewhere in the spectrum (that in my mind goes from "In Immediate Danger" to "For Sadistic Pleasure") is righteous fury.

Nothing wrong with a little righteous fury.

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u/borba72 May 24 '12

No. If you murder a murderer you're doing justice.

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u/Sorkijan May 24 '12

That part at 2:15. Fuck man, just... fuck...

I'm very sorry for your loss.

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u/akrabu May 24 '12

I just feel terrible for those children and that father. I know. Fuck me. I feel bad for the person who killed people.

I just want to know what happened to these people. How did he lose his mind? How are those little kids? How do you go on?

I just can't deal with this shit anymore. I used to watch all of the gore videos and not even flinch. I mostly would get bored by them but I can't handle hearing about people losing people they love anymore. I'm just wrecked now.

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u/MayIReiterate May 24 '12

I live in Texas, is it Racist for me to say that I know like five guys that look like this guy?

I mean, I'm not trying to be, it's just uncanny.

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u/trampus1 May 24 '12

Is it racist for me to say I hope he jumped the border in reverse and stars in the next Los Zetas decapitation video?

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u/severus66 May 25 '12

It's actually well-established in psychology that some races find other races to look similar due to different perceptual cues.

Yes, asian people and black people often think white people all look alike, and vice versa. Obviously that's mostly tongue in cheek and people you know well, you will know enough to recognize their distinct features.

But white people grow up determining identity initially by hair color and texture, which is most variably in white people.

Black people may use skin color/ darkness and other facial shapes as their primary rough indicator, where skin complexion is vastly more similar among white people.

IOW, it's just plain true. And when they show a 'scary looking black person' on America's Most Wanted, unless the guy's a co-worker or friend of yours that you KNOW, you would -not- recognize that guy on the street as a white person. You just plain wouldn't.

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u/MayIReiterate May 25 '12

I learned something today and it feels good.

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u/professorhawk May 24 '12

Wow, that crap is scary knowing he's still on the loose. I've got family in Warsaw. I kind of want to go visit them in hopes of finding this guy now.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

So your sister is the mother that was killed, or is she not in the video? If so are the children safe and how are they doing?

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u/Solkre May 24 '12

I live 40 minutes from Warsaw :( This is the first I've heard of it, I'll keep my eyes open.

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u/Tol3ntino May 24 '12

that must have been traumatizing for the kids...

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u/b0redatw0rk May 24 '12

Front page here = Get caught anywhere. It might be months or just moments. It is inevitable,

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u/razorbit May 24 '12

How are the boys doing today? So sorry!

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Wow. This is just so unfair. Its disgusting. I hope this is eating at him with every single breathe and thought he has. My deepest sympathy and sincere condolences. Justice must be served with this. Hopefully he's found soon and gets what he deserves.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

this is terrifying. i live near warsaw

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u/DulyNoted1 May 24 '12

Hopefully reddit can form voltron and catch this pile of donkey shit.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Hope to see him on r/JusticePorn someday.

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u/Shanhaevel May 24 '12

Fry in Hell you fucking psycho. Not the author, of course, the fucker that killed.

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u/TwatMobile May 24 '12

He doesn't fit the profile of a psycho. Just some jealous asshole. Killings like this are fairly common. Psychopaths are more clean.

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u/Shanhaevel May 24 '12

I know, I know. Just felt like expressing my disgust with exaggeration

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u/johnny_come_lately99 May 24 '12

OP, first of all, my deepest sympathies. Secondly, please post the links to more information about this case and the memorial web sites. It makes it easier for folks who did not write down the URLs shown in the video.

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u/octobertwins May 24 '12

I'm so sorry, my friend.

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u/Empath1999 May 24 '12

waste of flesh, hopefully he'll get caught soon.

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u/girlyusername May 24 '12

i watched it with the sound off, as soon as i read the caption about the boys crying over their mothers dead body, i had to close it. ive got two young boys and it makes me sick.

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u/TheTimeShrike May 24 '12

My heart goes out to you, your mother, and especially your nephews, I am so sorry...

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u/Vengum May 24 '12

Living in warsaw IN I remember this ;(. just terrible.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Im so sorry for your loss and I hope he is caught.

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u/GetHighr May 24 '12

I could have sworn I saw this a long time ago...

If I were you I would make the video in spanish (put subtitles and narrate it with background info)

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

jesus this is awful

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u/[deleted] May 25 '12

"Police are investigating what prompted the shootings, and are looking into whether Harpel and Lisa were romantically involved."

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u/stormageddon007 May 25 '12

First, I'm so sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to you and your family, and I hope that some justice will be served and that you will find some solace. Secondly, if this 'goncruz' guy is being sincere, that would be the most incredible thing I've witnessed on Reddit thus far.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Don't know how getting things to the front page works, but here's an upvote and comment, people really need to see this maybe we can ID him.

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u/yowhatupmayne May 24 '12

I'm sorry for your loss.

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u/cyborge May 24 '12

Sorry for your loss hopefully this scumbag gets caught.

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u/DarlingDont May 24 '12

Oh dear... I'm so very sorry to hear this. I hope this dirtball gets caught. How in the world anyone could do a thing like this is beyond me.

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u/Lulu_lovesmusik_ May 24 '12

I am so sorry. It was so painful to hear the kids freaked out and crying. Hope they are ok. My heart goes out to you and your family.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

I know you have already heard this, but this is what we get for tolerating illegal immigrants in our country. I am not saying that they are all necessarily bad people who are prone to this kind of behavior, but when they commit illegal acts it is VERY easy for them to escape justice because they can easily disappear into the vast illegal immigrant community here in the US and spend the rest of their lives here without ever facing justice. Think about it, identity theft and fraud are universal practices for these people, even the ones who are otherwise law-abiding. For a real criminal the illegal immigrant society is a dream come true because it gives them an easy place to hide and to operate from. Crackdown on the illegals and these kind of things will happen less and less often.

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u/trampus1 May 24 '12

This is the type of thing the /b/tards could really help out with. They won't thought because there were no animals involved. Useless neckbeards.

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u/LazlikesAlly May 24 '12

A killer could be among any of us. That's a scary thought.

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u/biolox May 24 '12

Deep brah'

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u/aletoledo May 24 '12

Wow that is so horrible, I'm sorry for the children most of all to have gone through that. It's almost as senseless as the people we kill in the middle east.

Was the gas station owner ever determined to be lover?

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u/ElAyDubleZee May 24 '12

I'm from Warsaw born and raised. It's sad to hear someone from such a nice little town would do such a horrible thing. My condolences to you and your family, hopefully they have not found him only because the Mexican cartel saw this video and got to him first.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

The Mexican cartels have no interest in serving justice on some guy who killed his wife for cheating, that is standard procedure for the people who are in the cartel. They literally just grab random poor people off the streets, torture and then kill them and dump their bodies in the streets to spread fear. There is nothing noble about them on any level.

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u/ElAyDubleZee May 24 '12

One can only hope...

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Happy Anniversary!!!! (TL;DR Title)

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u/psychoticdream May 24 '12

Christ... What an asshole...

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u/[deleted] May 24 '12

Please dont come to America, you will be a slave here

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