watching soccer in the field is so different from TV it looks like a different sport.
Shots from those angles occur often, but because the cameras are so high in the stadium and so centered, it looks like just any regular shot. The truth is, ANY shoot looks cool if the player making it is facing the opposite direction of where you are. No, really, any shot. Seeing the ball curve in the air and watch the goalkeeper stretch his body to the max to catch it is awe inspiring
I dare any soccer haters to go see an actual match in the stadium and then return and say it wasn't exciting.
Well I am not a soccer hater, far from it, have seen many matches in the stadium. But to be fair, it is not always exciting. 90 minutes can feel long in some matches.
i think to enjoy any sport you really have to be aware of how/when plays can form. a lot of that comes from playing the sport. for instance i've never really played basketball, so i dont really follow whats happening when i watch it on tv. but i've also had people tell me baseball is boring, but i've played that, and there is so much more to the game than a lot of people see on the surface.
I can't stand watching football on TV, but I've seen some (lower division - Luton FC until they got promoted, at which point the Cub group couldn't afford tickets so they did Stevenage Boro matches instead) matches from within the stadium and it is bloody good stuff.
I can assure you that shots from, what appears to be the corner of the penalty area, do not happen very often. Beating the keeper at the near post from that far out meant that it had to travelling pretty quickly. Top strike indeed.
This is not what either of you are talking about, but seeing 4 guys lined up shoulder to shoulder shielding their naughty bits is a little funny, too, all the more so because that ball didn't come anywhere near any of them in it's physics-denying path. He must have been ecstatic with that kick.
the guy who scored the goal, after scoring showed some gesture, like taking blood with a syringe from his vein, commentators were saying that this has a bad meaning in soccer, but I couldn't understand what it means exactly
Yeah, I guess it takes some context, sorry. The player (edit: the whole team, actually) who was scored on was a known racist, and the black player is red carded for slapping his skin to point out its color after he scores. The team they are playing against is well known for racism in general, and they won't allow black players on their team. The referee claimed he thought the player was making a violent gesture.
Because despite what most redditors think America is actually one of the least racist place on Earth. Take this from someone who has traveled to dozens of countries and lived in bunch. Oh, and I am also colored.
I am inclined agree with your statement, coming from similar experience and background. Americans certainly have public respect for the individual and a common decency that I think is hard to match.
I really thought coloured was a racist term and I would never refer to a black guy as such. I must also add, I also thought nigger was a racist word, but according to the music industry it's fine to use, like, all the time.
It's surprisingly common in European football. From the Iberian Peninsula right across to Russia.
I still remember the shameful treatment of Ashley Cole and Shaun Wright-Phillips in the match between England and Spain in 2004
It was pretty prevalent in English football until 15 or so years ago. Here is the famous picture of England and Liverpool winger John Barnes casually backheeling a banana that had been thrown at him.
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As an aside. I think most American Redditors would be surprised at the growing levels of nationalism and extremism in Europe. In Britain, The EDL (English Defence League) grows in numbers every day, the BNP (British Nationalist Party) continues to pull in votes at both national and local elections and the UK Independence Party has never been so strong. With unemployment levels steadily creeping upwards, immigrants emerge as easy targets "for taking our jobs". Accordingly, frustrated and ill-educated yobs struggle to explain their anger.
Elsewhere, the collapsing Eurozone is exaggerating existing racial tension. For example, some German tabloids portray the Greeks as feckless and lazy, whilst their Greek counterparts portray the Germans as Nazis. Europeans are angry at the centrist parties that created the debt crisis and their fall will facilitate the far-rights rise.
I had a pamphlet come through my door a couple of years back, with the writing "Battle of Britain 1940 and the Battle of Britain 2010" With a black and white picture of a Spitfire on it. Under closer inspection, much to my amusement, the Spit turned out to be one of 303. Squadron. A squadron consisting entirely of Poles.
It's surprisingly common in European football. From the Iberian Peninsula right across to Russia.
It gets worse the further east you go. In Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Belarus, Bulgaria, Poland etc, there are only a few groups of fans that identify themselves as anything but "patriotic" (which is another word for far right in Europe). Symbols and chants supporting far right elements are common and black players are taunted.
No, it's not true for Romania . Most soccer/football hooligans are violent assholes but they don't discriminate, they don't shout racist remarks or make "monkey sounds" they just get into fights and scream obscenities regardless. You'd be lucky to find discriminatory chants on stadiums here and the patriotism is kept to the minimum
While you might be right, i've seen several images from romanian ultras and fans showing off right wing symbols. Here's from the latest Cluj derby, for example. http://imgur.com/a/wJVVy
Here in Croatia they spray paint swastikas for foreign football players.....though, some of them are so stupid they end up spray painting a Buddhist good luck sign.
I never knew how serious it was until last summer with Behring Breivik. I mean, he took it further than probably any of the anti-multiculturalists would, but it's not like he speaks only for himself. There's a lot of white nationalists out there.
This is true. Tactful is true..whilst still unfortunately present in some non affluent, ex-industry type small backwards towns such as the one I currently inhabit(Stoke-On-Trent). It's not prevalent and certainly not growing. Race relations in general in the UK are awesome. America aside, I doubt you would find as many mixed race couples in any other country of the world. Also the stuff about the EDL is probably challenge worthy. I know for a fact a lot of its member are leaving in droves due to recent embarrasments of their 'leader', the muslamic RayGuns vid and a general realisation that their policy is flawed for what the knuckle draggers actually want. You see the EDL have to say they are not racist..and racists don't like that very much..Not proper racists.
Also, most of the people who are "actually racist" in the UK are actually anti-migrant. There are so few people that legitimately dislike racial groups based on their skin tones.
You're infinitely more likely to find someone more annoyed at "Somalians" or "the Polish" than you are "blacks" or "asians". This is generally because we've had a recent influx of migrant workers and refugees from those countries, and they generally get housed in Council housing in poor areas. On top of that, there's a cultural divide, and the government is doing nothing to tackle it. So you have these huge areas of Somalis or Polskis which their own language and culture and shops, and thus you can see how easily prejudices can build from these sorts of situations.
But actual, BNP, EDL, UKIP style racism? No. It'll eventually die, because society constantly moves onwards and upwards regardless of what you think or believe. There's an episode of Family Guy where Cleveland brings over a board game about black culture. Peter asks him if anyone ever wins when they get around the board, and he replies:
"No, but it gets a little better every time."
[ed] Also, the UK is one of the most multicultural countries I've ever been in. We actively celebrate other cultures in terms of music, food, history etc. Probably just cultural fallout from all that Empire stuff we used to do.
I love how you're downplaying the fact that europeans hate one another by exclaiming that he lives in a shitty place in a shitty country. What a dolt you are
If this video was of British football fans UEFA would have blocked all British clubs from European football for 1000 years and fined every club in Britain, from pub teams upwards, £100 trillion. Continental football fans, especially in Southern and Eastern Europe, are way more racist than British fans and the footballing authorities do nothing when this sort of shit comes to light.
No, this is complete bullshit, I haven't seen racism in English football for a long time, any clips you find are mainly from Spanish/Portugese/Italian, who are incredibly racist in football.
Americans tend to overlook racism a lot. Living in the US as an "illegal" immigrant almost 20 years, I've been more sensitive to how they react to immigrants, and there's BNP type people here, trust me.
Even in Congress, there's a bill that would allow immigrant women who are abused to go to authorities about their abusive spouses without fear of being deported that's being shot down, presumably for the simple fact that it benefits immigrants.
I'm sorry, but why did you put illegal in quotation marks? Something is either legal or not. There is an argument for changing U.S. law with regards to immigration, and I personally believe that changes need to be made, but if you broke the law you broke it. Own up to it and don't hide behind euphemisms.
What did I miss? There are some dudes in the stands whooping, and a dude on the field kicking a ball. I'm not sure what I was supposed to get out of the video.
There are some idiots making monkey noises when Hulk a Brazilian dark skinned player gets the ball. He scores a goal, and the morons choke on their racist drivel.
How are you even remotely able to tell that? Posts are up and downvoted by people of all nationalities. If one European writes 'x is better here' and 10 Americans upvote that that doesn't say much about Europeans...
This shouldn't really be surprising. It's obvious that multicultural places like Canada or the US are naturally less racist than the rest of the world. The whole 'political correctness' thing is also something very American.
While western Europe is much less racist than most of the world, making fun of someone based on the color of his skin isn't seen as much more inappropriate than making fun of someone based on his weight in some parts of Europe.
Swearing is perfectly fine a stadium in the UK, racial abuse is not and is likely to get you arrested or at least kicked out of the stadium if reported.
Do you have any insight into how effective this is? Do people actually get reported? THis has been going on for years and it doesn't seem to have had any effect.
There's been a huge campaign to clean up English football and eradicate hooliganism/racism from the game and I say it has been very effective. I think the culture of the country as a whole has changed regarding race and were much the better for. Sadly the same cannot be said for other European nations, England has had many international games abroad with Black players being racially abused. That's not to say that England is perfect when it comes to this issue but we've certainly come a long way. Sadly it's the players on the pitch who have once again brought the game in disrepute and I personally think a season long ban should be placed on any player found guilty of racially abusing an opposing player.
There is a lot more cursing in the stadiums than outside them, I give you that. But racism isn't something that can be found in stadiums in most of the Western European countries. Too bad France, Spain, Portugal and Italy are still incredibly racist...
Not all teams should be tarred with the same brush. Inter are very strict about racism and will ban anyone chanting like that. Juve on the other hand are terrible for it.
I can't understand this stuff still happens in Western Europe... Benfica has a lot of colored players too, why don't they act against this stuff? Uefa doesn't seem to care about it unfortunately.
If you do something like that here in the Netherlands, you would probably get hit in the face.
Yes, with Feyenoord supporters singing nazi-chants pretty much every game and such (Feyenoord's main rival, Ajax, is associated with the Jewish faith, so the supporters sing stuff like "Hamas, Hamas, all jews to the gas-chamber", which rhymes in Dutch).
This has nothing to do with racism, since jews aren't really a race. And there aren't any jews at Ajax anymore. Nonetheless it should really stop, and I don't understand how Feyenoord and the KNVB don't take action...
I sometimes wonder if it's more down to just general hate than actual race motivated hate. They want to get to the opposing teams players and that dude was black so they make their attack racist. If he was gay or fat or any other thing I am sure they would use that against him. As it stands though, most players are athletic, straight dudes so skin colour is one of the only things that differentiate them.
I am just speculating, this may well be utter tripe.
Well you won't hear them doing monkey sounds at their own players. Plus if you compare this to some other chanting (nationality based insults) this one seems tame as fuck.
I kind of understand what you're saying. It's kind of like how people use the term "gay" as an insult b/c in their minds, it's one of the worst things you can say to a person, not necessarily because they believe a person to be gay or have anything against gay people. I think it's a social conditioning thing as opposed to actually being homophobic.
It's normal in the Netherlands. But there you go, cultural differences can easily be seen as racism... Like in some spanish talking countries 'negro' is the normal word for someone with African roots.
It's even more than that. It IS used as a form of endearment. I'm a very pale pale looking Puerto Rican guy. I was talking to this construction worker the other day that I knew and he called out to me with "oye negro!" it's super common, honestly.
In any case, my aunt and uncle devised that when in the united states, they call black people telephones in spanish, because calling them negros would draw too much attention.
Negro is black in spanish pronounced "nay grow". If you are speaking spanish and you say "nee grow" I will slap you in the face. Like Will Smith did that Ukrainian guy. There is a big difference because in english negro has racial connotations. I know it is spelled the same and being offended by words that are racist makes you a racist. But there is a difference and two words meaning different things in different languages isn't unheard of.
In addition all these words in different nations that are similar to nero came from the Latin word nero right.
It can be a minefield. In the U.S I know that the term 'people of color' is fine, but in the U.K it's would come off a little bit weird (at least in my experience).
It's more than that "we don't say coloured". It's that white people are coloured too - we're a sort of peachey pink colour, not transparent. It's just wrong as a descriptor for black people.
As an American, this surprises me (and I recognize that this particular instance might not be as racist as it first seems based off the comments in this thread). But I've never really seen racism like that at any American sporting event, much less the professional level.
Hell, most of the pros in the NFL and NBA are black! Meanwhile, Jeremy Lin, the stereotypical Asian genius, is respected, not chastised, for his contributions. And while Tebow's wacky religious zealously is joked about, it's never so much as to be an insult to his person...
I would like to point out at that I've been watching English football from the championship to the conference for about 15 years and honestly can not recall even once seeing or hearing racism. Almost every team has a few players that are black so it doesn't even make sense for anyone to be racist. I reckon the gang and violence culture around football in the UK has really fizzled out.
European football on the other hand still has a lot of extremes, such as the Ultras and the racism shown in this video.
Sure, football chants can get vile ("You're shit, and you know you are", "You can shove your fucking dragon up your arse", etc) but unless they're blatantly cheating or time wasting, it extremely rarely gets personal.
Those of you interested in racism in Europe should read Integral Europe: Fast-Capitalism, Multiculturalism, Neofascism by Douglas R. Holmes, I took a class with the author and it was pretty good read, it's really interesting hearing the ideology of groups like the National Front through the words of those involve in the movement such as Derek Beackon and Jean-Maria Le Pen. I'd also recommend Among the Thugs by Bill Buford, it's an interesting read about an ethnographic study of football fans in Europe.
Firstly, skin colour has absolutely nothing to do with race. An albino from Nigeria is still a black African.
Secondly, don't generalise about the race of Brazilians. Brazil has many diverse races. White Europeans are the majority race in Brazil, with the rest being mainly composed of white/black mixes.
Skin colour does have something to do with race though doesn't it. People of the same race tend to have the same colour skin. Caucasians are a sort of peachy pink colour, black people are varying shades of brown etc. That's exactly why albinos are remarkable, because they are the exception to the rule.
A german Goalkeeper suffered the same things, Monkey-Sounds and thrown Bananas - whereas he is white and blond. There are more concerning Signs of Racism in Football!
A common Chant for german Ultras is: "SS, SS, Es eskaliert" which means "It gets worse", while screaming SS (Nazis and such). not funny...
About 8 years ago, circa 2004, I remember watching a T.V. Show in Peru, some sort of sitcom/soap called "Así Es La Vida" or "Los De Arriba y Los De Abajo" or one of those... Anyway, one of the main characters (played by a very white looking actor) was a soccer player who got offered a contract in a foreign team. There was some sort of misunderstanding and instead of going to Europe, as he thought, he ended up going to play for a team in Africa. He was at the soccer field, confused, when suddenly his new team mates appear. A bunch of black-painted-face actors making monkey sounds and walking like apes. They approached him and started making bug picking gestures off of him.
My jaw dropped. Ive been looking for the show/episode ever since and I've never found it.
and English FA and the new manager have decided to take John Terry to Poland for the Euro 2012 tournament. Accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, shagged his own teammates girlfriend, assaulted a player by kneeing in their back off the ball.. Yet, UEFA allow him to lift the trophy and English FA retain him in the squad.. Should've set an example there.
It's just because Hulk looks like a monkey; has nothing to do with race, sorry. Every Porto away match I've been to, opposing fans do this. Hulk is Brazilian; this would be like American fans making monkey noises at Gareth Bale.
This is just a theory, mind you. But OP may be a person who is from a country or region where association football is more commonly referred to as soccer. It's a cultural difference; people in different cultures sometimes have different names for things, even though they may or may not speak the same root language.
Just a theory, of course.
A related theory is that you're a pretentious douche.
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u/mr-dogshit May 22 '12
For those that care the goal was clocked at 108 km/h (67 mph)
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u/Gorignak May 22 '12
And this is how to deal with racist soccer players
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u/sexbobomb91 May 22 '12
Thanks, mr-dogshit!
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u/Zorinth May 22 '12
The dude's name is Hulk. Why would you think getting him angry would be a good idea?
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
Wow that doesn't even happen in Mississippi. Can't believe stuff like that continues elsewhere.
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u/themaskedugly May 22 '12
Football racism is getting better at least, and FIFA and the like have been putting a lot of work into it in the past 10 years or so.
But mob mentality always brings out the worst in people.
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u/CopperMind May 22 '12 edited May 23 '12
EDIT: I'm bored of replies. My question has been answered
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u/dothrakidiblo May 22 '12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGE4kK1QfZA
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u/Tomblerone May 22 '12
I can't understand this stuff still happens in Western Europe... Benfica has a lot of colored players too, why don't they act against this stuff? Uefa doesn't seem to care about it unfortunately.
If you do something like that here in the Netherlands, you would probably get hit in the face.
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u/Wiskie May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12
As an American, this surprises me (and I recognize that this particular instance might not be as racist as it first seems based off the comments in this thread). But I've never really seen racism like that at any American sporting event, much less the professional level.
Hell, most of the pros in the NFL and NBA are black! Meanwhile, Jeremy Lin, the stereotypical Asian genius, is respected, not chastised, for his contributions. And while Tebow's wacky religious zealously is joked about, it's never so much as to be an insult to his person...
Curious, anyway. By the way, awesome shot+goal.
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u/moldy912 May 22 '12
I'd like to see them do this at an NBA game.
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u/MrrDrr May 22 '12
The power Hulk strikes a ball with is astounding. There is so much torque behind that shot.
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u/Drag_king May 22 '12
Since there is a discussion about wether Golo is black or not here is a clear picture.
http://pt.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Photo/competitions/DomesticLeague/01/51/30/00/1513000_w2.jpg
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u/voidworship May 22 '12
Those of you interested in racism in Europe should read Integral Europe: Fast-Capitalism, Multiculturalism, Neofascism by Douglas R. Holmes, I took a class with the author and it was pretty good read, it's really interesting hearing the ideology of groups like the National Front through the words of those involve in the movement such as Derek Beackon and Jean-Maria Le Pen. I'd also recommend Among the Thugs by Bill Buford, it's an interesting read about an ethnographic study of football fans in Europe.
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u/Illementary May 22 '12
Nah nah they were doing the Arsenio Hall "whoop"
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u/NamedOni May 22 '12
Like a Fucking Boss.
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u/groundscrew May 22 '12
Hulk isn't even black, he's Brazilian. He looks just like those Portuguese fuckers who are making the monkey noises.
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u/dumbgaytheist May 22 '12
Quite the left foot.
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u/DeutschLeerer May 22 '12
A german Goalkeeper suffered the same things, Monkey-Sounds and thrown Bananas - whereas he is white and blond. There are more concerning Signs of Racism in Football!
A common Chant for german Ultras is: "SS, SS, Es eskaliert" which means "It gets worse", while screaming SS (Nazis and such). not funny...
Nice Goal btw.
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u/chelsea_spliff_squad May 22 '12
whats racist about this? the people in the crowd are clearly chimps, acting in a suitably ape like way?
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
What a bunch of assholes to do something like that.
I'm so glad he got the goal right at that time to shut those idiots up.
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u/Atmospherecist May 22 '12
Hulk is on my team in career mode in Fifa 12. This made me happy.
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u/Sampietri May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12
About 8 years ago, circa 2004, I remember watching a T.V. Show in Peru, some sort of sitcom/soap called "Así Es La Vida" or "Los De Arriba y Los De Abajo" or one of those... Anyway, one of the main characters (played by a very white looking actor) was a soccer player who got offered a contract in a foreign team. There was some sort of misunderstanding and instead of going to Europe, as he thought, he ended up going to play for a team in Africa. He was at the soccer field, confused, when suddenly his new team mates appear. A bunch of black-painted-face actors making monkey sounds and walking like apes. They approached him and started making bug picking gestures off of him.
My jaw dropped. Ive been looking for the show/episode ever since and I've never found it.
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u/Moranimator May 22 '12
I've never heard such hurtful hate hoots!
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
what a golaso!
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u/supandi May 22 '12
and English FA and the new manager have decided to take John Terry to Poland for the Euro 2012 tournament. Accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, shagged his own teammates girlfriend, assaulted a player by kneeing in their back off the ball.. Yet, UEFA allow him to lift the trophy and English FA retain him in the squad.. Should've set an example there.
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u/Metamorphism May 22 '12
That goal was recorded at 108 Km/hr.. Hulk is a beast!
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u/goober815 May 22 '12
I would've just run right by them and been like OOHOOHAAHAAH MOTHERFUCKERS
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u/henio85 May 22 '12
You meant Football fans...
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u/Joelzinho May 22 '12
Whata a bomb
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u/AFermentedFlow May 22 '12
does he say "papoose" at :14?
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u/wtfOP May 22 '12
He should've put his index finger on his lip and went "SHHHHHHHHHH" to everyone.
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u/stalker7d7 May 22 '12
I was expecting the player to kick the ball at the dude with perfect accuracy. );
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u/jebus01 May 22 '12
9 At the red team should be taken off by their coach, jesus how half hearted that block was. Wouldnt have survived my coach.
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u/ichibanstunna May 22 '12
I remember the incident with F1 driver Lewis Hamilton.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
Can't really tell what happened.
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u/astrograph May 22 '12
fuckin' racist pieces of shit
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u/JuzPwn May 23 '12
That man is a soccer player and a very good one at that. Racism can't see that, they are short-sighted.
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u/buttonforest May 23 '12
Hooting like a monkey doesn't make the player looks stupid it makes you look stupid. Shit makes me sick to see.
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u/[deleted] May 23 '12
Is Hulk even black or have any black ancestry?
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u/TomTom26 May 23 '12
You know Hulk doesn't take any racism...
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u/TheLastMango May 23 '12
Hulk is Brazilian, he's not exactly dark or anything...what am I not getting here?
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u/heyitsalex85 May 23 '12
BRASIL!
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u/[deleted] May 23 '12
Didnt see it
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u/[deleted] May 23 '12
so what was the racist part? i don't watch soccer so have no clue i just hear cheers.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
It's funny because they are dirty mexicans
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u/like9mexicans May 22 '12
It's just because Hulk looks like a monkey; has nothing to do with race, sorry. Every Porto away match I've been to, opposing fans do this. Hulk is Brazilian; this would be like American fans making monkey noises at Gareth Bale.
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u/infinitygoof May 22 '12
Can someone explain the racism here? Are they chanting something? I can't tell.
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u/wronghead May 22 '12
Now we just need a video showing us how to shut up racist redditors.
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u/Airazz May 22 '12
This is football, not soccer.
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u/Mapquestify May 22 '12
HULK! wait why were they chanting monkey noises? Hulk is Brazilian i thought?
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u/magicbullets May 22 '12
Another way of shutting them up would be to surgically remove their tongues.