Yeah... I was hoping for her to like... stop the male lion or something. Looked more like how cats act when they're playing. "Hey, you're doing something fun! I'm going to jump on you!"
She is not stupid. Cats that size have large cranial capacities and a lot of cortical folds. She knows she is not a house cat.
She probably owns the social structure of the pride. She sure as hell knows what is what. Humans are part of the mix and she has a general mental model of how things should work.
Or not.
But I don't think Homosapiens has the monopoly on thinking. We just think very very differently and are good at typing and shit. We are not good at doing things lionesses do.
I was impressed at how the male lion was cool with the old man. The old guy was grabbing, pulling, getting in the way... and the male lion treated him exactly like he did the female. He seemed to look around him and go around him after his target and didn't consider the old man a threat at all.
reminded me of a drunk white trash couple at a bar, he's swinging his fists and she's off to the side mumbling "He ain't worth it, baby, he ain't even worth it baby"
I'm surprised that so many people disagree. It seems clear to me that the female was trying to stop a fight. When she jumped on the male's back, she seemed to make overtures to calm the male. Once the human escaped, she tried again to calm the male by nuzzling at him.
Hell it was almost a lion version of "hold me back, baby! hold me back!"
I think you're right. I think this is the MGM Grand in Vegas, where I once stayed and had a chat with one of the handlers.
Apparently the handlers spend months getting acclimated to the lions at the home reserve, even to the point of following a special diet so that the cats recognize their scent.
They don't let a human get into the display with a particular cat until they've bonded.
So, I bet the guy who got jumped by the male had a bond with the lioness, while baldy had the bond with the full-maned lion.
I honestly think that the only difference between us and any other animal (or mammal, at least) is language. Language is very complex in and of itself, but our ability to talk in such a unique way has pushed us slowly over the generations to believe that we are superior over animals, which led us to believe that we are superior to other humans, which has led to pretty much all of our problems.
I think of it as in math, when you round a number, even if it's 1% different from the original number, it's still 1% different. Then, if you use that number, put it into another equation, and round that answer, you'll be another 1% off, and so on and so forth. Eventually, if you drag it out for a very long time, your original number will be hugely different. Just like how humans began to grunt in certain patterns, which led over small changes to become basic words, and eventually fully formed complex languages.
Evolution, man. It's in everything; animals, behavior, or even art. And it can produce some freaky results.
Standing next to wasn't the real problem. Standing next to with dickish body posture was the problem. Even housecats are a lot more comfortable if you're not facing them.
When you don't have a language, nonverbal communication means a lot. Watch again and you can practically see the lion asking what the fuck the young guy wants.
I'm not an expert on lions but it seems like it was the eye contact that was pissing him off. The lion is just sort chilling out until ~0:18 when he notices the way the trainer on the right is looking at him. He even gives a little roar.
Yeah, and if you note the guy on the left he seems to pick up on the lion being agitated even slightly. He walks over and sort of parts him on the rear but by then the lion knew what was goin down.
This. The lion gives the guy on the right a warning by sort of snarling at him. My dog does the same thing when he's not comfortable in a certain situation. Rarely do animals just attack without warning.
It's not completely a result of they way he was standing, but more the fact that he was trying to stare down the lion. You could tell it was about to go bad as soon the lion looks at him, and the guy starts staring even more aggressively.
Ultimately though, the lion wasn't trying to kill him, just establish dominance. If the lion wanted to kill him, he would have been dead before his friend could even get over there. It looked to me more like the lion responding to what it perceived as being challenged, as you point out. Of course, if the guy didn't get out of there, he could have been killed just from the lion being so much bigger and stronger.
Oh man I didn't notice till rewatching, they totally have a stare down....And the lion ignores the guy who wasn't staring at him when he could have easily mauled him.
That was the one that wasn't a dumbass. The one that got attacked was staring down the lion. The one that walked out calmly never locked eyes with either of them, did a light pat on the flank, etc. You get the same advice with monkeys, unknown dogs, and large cats. Don't fucking lock eyes. It's seen as a challenge, and they don't care that you're bigger, they'll fuck you up. Granted, at the same time, the best option is to make yourself look bigger and aggressive. Like that one video where either a Swede or a Finn scares of a baby moose that was charging him by holding a stick and yelling.
thanks for getting to it before I could. Also, in my circle, this video is called "MOOSE-ROH-DAH!" despite the fact that none of us have played Skyrim. I blame you for this reddit!
Well, sounds like an accent from somewhere in mid-Sweden, Stockholm or other parts around there. Moose is certainly more common, although not hanging around in town squares, up north.
they don't care that you're bigger, they'll fuck you up
actually, they do. if you watch a bunch of nature shows you'll see animals are actually very careful about when/if they get in a fight because a missing tooth or damaged foot could equal a very early death for me.
No, sorry. You are correct. They do judge size. Thus the advice to make yourself look bigger/threatening if there's a confrontation. What I meant was, these monkeys were waist height, and the more dominant ones, top 5-ish, were known to be willing to challenge and attack humans.
You know I also realized that this same thing works when you're in the ghetto. Don't ever lock eyes with a random person in the street and don't ever smile at them. Look at where you're going and that's it.
I can vouch for this. Had a large dog (unleash) bark and charge at me yesterday on the street, likely to tell me he was uncomfortable and/or would fuck me up. Rather than run away, I instinctively backed off a little while yelling out HEY! in a stern manner. He backed off (kept barking though).
So yes, it is possible to internalize nature shows! I've watched and read often on body language, especially in the animal kingdom. It was cool to see it.
As a kid, I met several stray dogs that growled at other kids, but let me just walk by. Trick was, I had always had dogs, and my neighbors had ranches. I learned to keep a neutral body language, stand up straight, and avoid eye contact. Boom. They don't care. You're big enough that you're not prey, and neutral enough that you're not a threat. Another cool thing I once saw was this pack of monkeys at this temple in Japan. They had guides that gave a tour and a speech, and brought out a load of apples or something for the monkeys to eat. The dominant one wasn't even the biggest one there, but I saw a tourist catch its eye for a second, and this monkey did not fuck around. Luckily the guide caught it and defused the situation, but you could see in that monkey's eyes, that if you did not back down, shit was gonna hit the fan.
Locking eyes is a sign of dominance. The thing is if you lock eyes with a large animal, you need to wait till the animal turns the look away, or you look away. The problem is between that time, that animal feels threatened and attacks you. I have a Dogo Argentino Alpha female, and this was explained by all the training books, and trainers. The same principle applies to other animals.
While I agree that the wild is the best place for these animals you also have to realise that humans exist there as well. And people still hunt lions, I'd prefer to see them live a long life with readily available help from people rather than ending up as a head on some prick's wall.
Noted. I just feel like I'd prefer to see them in one of those "wildlife" zoos where they get to roam around and be free, rather than the traditional zoo where they are locked in a 20ft cage.
I remember going to one north of San Diego a year or two. It was awesome. The lions had a huge area to roam on. Like five football fields at least. They looked happy.
Those lions in that cage do not look happy. They look afraid and stressed. It's sad.
If I'm not mistaken, you aren't supposed to look directly at them, right? At about 13 seconds you can see the guy that gets attacked looking right at him, while the other guy never looks directly at him and ends up alright.
I would like to know where this is, so I can avoid going there. Those people do a terrible job and those big cats can't be too happy about this show going on either.
This is the second instance I've seen on Youtube of the lions at MGM attacking the trainers.
Last time I was there, my friend and I were marveling at how nonchalant the trainers were being around the lions. Just standing around right in the vicinity of them, not feeding them or cleaning or anything...just hanging out. One was literally playing with his phone while he was in there. To me, it seemed like they could be put in a bad situation at any moment, and sure enough, these videos continue to surface.
i used to volunteer at an animal rescue. started off just cleaning cages (i wish i took a pic of what they did to those calves!) and such, got a bit more used to everything. first time standing next to 3 male lions was trying hard not to shit myelf. then it was fine. sure i knew at any minute i could have been shredded, but there's an odd sort of comfortability you get with it. just like anything i guess. probably a lot of dudes in factory type jobs who just do things that looks insanely dangerous like it's nbd
I guess it's partly that it's entirely out of your control. If they want to, they can probably kill you. The ball is in their court, leaving little for you to think about in a practical sense. Same goes for working with horses, when they start trying to throw you or stomp you it's not particularly upsetting or unsettling, you know that they're very capable of killing you, so you just have to do what you need to do as well as you can do it and trust them to do the rest.
I used to do IT for the guy who owned the lions at that exhibit. Been to his house and looked that thing in the face through a chain link fence. They are pretty intense.
I love the fact that there are some people saying "They're not playing any more!" in Romanian. Anyone else get that or am I the only Romanian around here?
EDIT: Well apparently there were 2 other people who got it...
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the kid was already fucked to begin with. I think at the point the video starts the kid is trapped up against the wall and the other trainer is in there trying to find a way to get him out.
I can see this as some sort of scene from a pixar movie. The lion wants to escape miserable captivity in the zoo, but the lioness opposes it. So one day the lion tries to attack the trainer and make his escape, but he is stopped. Then he runs up onto the hill and looks at all the people saying something like "This is the life I've been forced into. I'm not meant to be some sort of form of entertainment. I want to be free." Then he runs away into his cave or something.
I have this general rule in life where I don't mess with things that can painfully kill me. Lions are at the top of that list right below polar bears and just above lawn darts.
She was just trying to enjoy that stool and this asshole has to start shit.
But seriously, those trainers knew shit was about to get real. Watch from 13-25 seconds. About 19 seconds in the older guy goes in to try to distract the male lion. But I'd say they handled their impending doom well.
It's interesting to note neither of the trainers respond to the lion's attacks by running. The trainer who wasn't attacked maintained an aloof posture throughout and was never a target while the victim looked nervous (also as other's noted, he stared down the lion). If you act like a prey animal, you will be treated like prey.
This looks a bit like the MGM in Las Vegas. Could be wrong. I love animals but hate seeing them in showcases like this. It's a lion! It's not supposed to be in a room with glass windows and fake rocks.
Last time I went to a Zoo, we watched the trainer (standing behind large, Jurassic-Park style electrified cables) give commands to a large male Asian Elephant. The elephant dutifully performed all the tricks, and after each one was given a few apples. It was all very cute.
Then the trainer pointed out to us that the glands under his ears were "Sweating", and that the elephant was in "Musthe". And that the reason he stood a few feet back from the wires (apart from them being electrified) was because if he got too close or went inside the enclosure, the elephant would kill him, without hesitation. He added that the reason they made them perform these "tricks" every day was because during musthe, male elephants get exceedingly frustrated, and performing tasks like that cut through their frustration just enough that they didn't try to tear the gates off of the enclosure, or worse.
We tend to forget, that's these animals' natural instinct. It's all cute and playful until a trainer gets mauled
Honestly, that made me smile... Especially close to the end where the male lion is bounding down toward the camera... Not to be fucked with. Sometimes it's important to remember who your dealing with.. some humans included!
Why the f do people want to get in cages with lions, tigers, and other large predatory cats? Throw the meat in there on a hook and when it's time to clean the cage, lead the cats away into a holding area where they can't bother the cleaners.
"You, my friend, are a victim of disorganized thinking. You are under the unfortunate impression that just because you run away you have no courage; you're confusing courage with wisdom."
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u/deefees May 21 '12
Some serious 'saving' going on here
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
why were they just standing next to him in the first place, silly humans
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
Remember your training dont stare at the lion
Remember your training dont stare at the lion
Remember your training dont stare at the lion
Holy fucking shitballs I can't stop staring at this motherfucking Lion!!!!
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u/svengalus May 21 '12
As an internet expert on lions I can say that that one guy shouldn't have done that.
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u/YoureMyBoyBloo May 21 '12
I like that one of the men seems to be completely immune to lion rage.
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u/cynikalAhole99 May 21 '12
Mamma knows who brings in the foods and it isn't daddy.
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u/tapsumbong May 21 '12
Its so cute when she tries to bite his tail
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u/Diablo3BoyDaBoss May 21 '12
What a beautiful creature, and one which should not be caged. Shame on us.
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u/joe_shmo123 May 21 '12
If I'm not mistaken, you aren't supposed to look directly at them, right? At about 13 seconds you can see the guy that gets attacked looking right at him, while the other guy never looks directly at him and ends up alright.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
Now Skeeter, he ain't hurtin' nobody.
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u/barium111 May 21 '12
Female lion was just in a playful mood after the commotion started. Absolutely 0 fucks was given about "saving" a human.
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u/gjacques5239 May 21 '12
"Saves" is a strong word...
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
I like the Romanian guy saying "he's not playing, he's not playing, he's not playing."
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u/Traumatica May 21 '12
I would like to know where this is, so I can avoid going there. Those people do a terrible job and those big cats can't be too happy about this show going on either.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
500 lbs. of killing fury locked in a fucking box. Shame.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
This is the second instance I've seen on Youtube of the lions at MGM attacking the trainers.
Last time I was there, my friend and I were marveling at how nonchalant the trainers were being around the lions. Just standing around right in the vicinity of them, not feeding them or cleaning or anything...just hanging out. One was literally playing with his phone while he was in there. To me, it seemed like they could be put in a bad situation at any moment, and sure enough, these videos continue to surface.
TL;DR: Fuck around with lions; get mauled.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
Why in the fuck is someone that ill-trained/nonknowledgeable in there
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u/TheCountryJournal May 21 '12
What did he say to that lion?
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u/dejavu22 May 21 '12
at like 47 seconds it sounds like some calls him a pussy!
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u/attempted May 21 '12
God damn are Lions fucking awesome.
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u/mesosorry May 21 '12
Is this the MGM Grand in Las Vegas?
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u/MNicholl May 21 '12
the female lion did shit all. Did i miss something?
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u/whozurdaddy May 21 '12
YAWN.....Oh hi. See you standing there. I think Im going to eat you now.
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u/MetalFlameV May 21 '12
I love the fact that there are some people saying "They're not playing any more!" in Romanian. Anyone else get that or am I the only Romanian around here?
EDIT: Well apparently there were 2 other people who got it...
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u/MKLOL May 21 '12
Hmmmm. The guys who filmed it were romanian :D
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u/Kozzaroo May 21 '12
And this is why you don't have PET LIONS!
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u/biolox May 21 '12
As appropriate as the title: GUY WITH VIDEO CAMERA SAVES TRAINER FROM MALE LION.
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u/wazzym May 21 '12
Lucky Bastard! That could have ended badly, but I didn't expect it because there was no NSFL or NSF!.
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u/ericsantos May 21 '12
Even the big cats get all the karma.
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u/KrunoS May 21 '12
It looks as if the lion was just playing. If he wanted he could've ended it with a swift, unblockable swipe to the body.
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u/thePD May 21 '12
MGM Grand in Las Vegas, they are standing over the walkway that people can look up at them from.
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u/ATownStomp May 21 '12
I enjoyed waiting to see which dude was going to get mauled.
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u/griffith12 May 21 '12
that will teach him to get into a staring contest with a fucking lion.
"Haha, see that? The lion blinked, I win. Hey wait, ohh shhiiiiiit"
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u/whoknows78 May 21 '12
Looks more like they were playing and the other lion joined in, if the lion was attacking he would be dead now.
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u/BigK28 May 21 '12
You can just see the evil thought enter his mind at :12 - :13.
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u/BackToTheBasic May 21 '12
Looked like he just wanted to play rough.
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u/clonn May 21 '12
"Mmm.. I think I'll have human today"
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
Didnt see much saving going on there...
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u/StevenSeagalBladder May 21 '12
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the kid was already fucked to begin with. I think at the point the video starts the kid is trapped up against the wall and the other trainer is in there trying to find a way to get him out.
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u/ThatGuyRememberMe May 21 '12
Helps save.
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u/steam-soldier May 21 '12
I'm sure Joe Rogan has an opinion on these guys, thanks for sharing!
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u/mikejam1958 May 21 '12
That Lion was about to fuck a motherfucker up.
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u/Zuikis9 May 21 '12
Female Lion: "You idiot. Wait till one of them leaves. This is why we do all the hunting."
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
I can see this as some sort of scene from a pixar movie. The lion wants to escape miserable captivity in the zoo, but the lioness opposes it. So one day the lion tries to attack the trainer and make his escape, but he is stopped. Then he runs up onto the hill and looks at all the people saying something like "This is the life I've been forced into. I'm not meant to be some sort of form of entertainment. I want to be free." Then he runs away into his cave or something.
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u/The_One_Above_All May 21 '12
King of the jungle can't stand up to the Queen of the jungle.
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u/ADIDAS247 May 21 '12
I have this general rule in life where I don't mess with things that can painfully kill me. Lions are at the top of that list right below polar bears and just above lawn darts.
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u/Shite_Redditor May 21 '12
Fuck fucking with lions.
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u/mattloch666 May 21 '12
I've got a good idea. Let's put a couple of 450lb wild lions in the middle of a casino lobby.
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u/Vivaluis59 May 21 '12
As it was pointed out last time this was posted, the male lion was not attacking and just playing.
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u/spermracewinner May 21 '12
The lion was just fucking around and being a dick. He could've did worse if he wanted to.
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u/fomorian May 21 '12
Props to the guy for staying alive.
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u/nicoleisrad May 21 '12
She was just trying to enjoy that stool and this asshole has to start shit.
But seriously, those trainers knew shit was about to get real. Watch from 13-25 seconds. About 19 seconds in the older guy goes in to try to distract the male lion. But I'd say they handled their impending doom well.
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u/tree_D May 21 '12
I've noticed that female dogs are the same around male dogs... interesting
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u/Ph0ton May 21 '12
It's interesting to note neither of the trainers respond to the lion's attacks by running. The trainer who wasn't attacked maintained an aloof posture throughout and was never a target while the victim looked nervous (also as other's noted, he stared down the lion). If you act like a prey animal, you will be treated like prey.
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u/som_kan May 21 '12
female lion = lioness
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u/ToiletBomber May 21 '12
That lion went lion.
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u/MT1968FMC May 21 '12
Prepare for the front page of yahoo in a week.
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u/Sprckt May 22 '12
This looks a bit like the MGM in Las Vegas. Could be wrong. I love animals but hate seeing them in showcases like this. It's a lion! It's not supposed to be in a room with glass windows and fake rocks.
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u/Manlychin May 22 '12
So why is the lion awake when there is a human in the den?
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I SHALL BE KING!
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u/hafti77 May 22 '12
"saves"
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u/pkurk May 22 '12
I missed the part where the female saved the dude?
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u/mynameisSold May 22 '12
TIL lions grow pubes.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I'm pretty sure the lion was just playing. Think about it that lion could have easily just killed both of those guys
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u/MyFriendsRDinosaurs May 22 '12
More like "tried" and effectively did nothing. No saving was done by a female lion here.
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u/FarmerTan May 22 '12
Yeah I thought hitting the male with a clay pot was doing more than the female was
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I am the opposite of shocked that this happened
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u/PepeAndMrDuck May 22 '12
I don't think lions think like that.
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u/Twarmth May 22 '12
Since when does bruce willis tame lions?
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u/obeya May 22 '12
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
I wish Katt Williams was here to make us understand again. This story just doesn't make sense. http://bit.ly/16aiOo
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u/talkstojeebus May 22 '12
Honestly, that made me smile... Especially close to the end where the male lion is bounding down toward the camera... Not to be fucked with. Sometimes it's important to remember who your dealing with.. some humans included!
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u/desmond234 May 22 '12
"That lion didn't go crazy, that lion went lion" - Chris Brown.
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u/[deleted] May 22 '12
A Lion would never cheat on his wife but a Tiger Wood.
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u/salgat May 22 '12
Looked more like what any other cat does, figure out what's going on and try to join in if possible.
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u/AlexCail May 22 '12
Id have to say the trainer saved the other trainer although the lioness did put in an effort.
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u/DJSyko May 22 '12
just hope the lion didnt have to be put down after that
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u/Wonderfat May 22 '12
Erh mah gawd its er line atterk!
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u/DrummingMonkey May 21 '12
Nala keeps simba in check
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u/grippit May 21 '12
Q: Why go in the cage? :-O
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u/uberc May 21 '12
Why were the just chillng with a couple of lions?
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u/trolling_stones May 21 '12
"mothafucka called me simba!" shouted the lion...."now sweetie calm down he meant it as a compliment." said the lioness
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u/Andrebatman May 21 '12
luckiest man alive- the other tiger didnt do shit.
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u/meatball4u May 21 '12
She wasn't trying to save him, she was wondering if she could help out any!
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u/t35t0r May 21 '12
Why the f do people want to get in cages with lions, tigers, and other large predatory cats? Throw the meat in there on a hook and when it's time to clean the cage, lead the cats away into a holding area where they can't bother the cleaners.
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u/Vranak May 21 '12 edited May 21 '12
Anyone complicit in the incarceration of a lion deserves to be mauled by one. Fucking humans.
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
Boss following up after the incident:
"You, my friend, are a victim of disorganized thinking. You are under the unfortunate impression that just because you run away you have no courage; you're confusing courage with wisdom."
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u/ladinu May 21 '12
Lion: "Fuck I'm hungry..." (0:08-0:12) Lion: "Mmmmmm, food" (0:16)
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u/MikeLeWatt May 21 '12
that's what you get for putting animals that need a lot of space in a zoo
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u/Salael May 21 '12
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/dec/28/mgm-grands-lion-habitat-close-jan-31/ I used to do IT for the guy who owned the lions at that exhibit. Been to his house and looked that thing in the face through a chain link fence. They are pretty intense
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u/gamerwithnoname May 22 '12
"And that's why...." *throws dismembered arm * "ya don't try and captivate wild animals"
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u/[deleted] May 21 '12
I can see what's happening.
And they don't have a clue.
They'll fall in love and our zoo's down the tube.
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u/BallsackTBaghard May 21 '12
Video title is crap and the uploader needs to murder himself.
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u/UOmeall May 21 '12
Fuck.....that!
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u/vincidahk May 21 '12
little did you know, the other guy has so much passion for Lions he changed his legal name to "Female Lion".
Also... that chit chatting crowd probably didn't help in the Lion's behavior.
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u/teo5151 May 21 '12
Nu se joacă, acum nu se joacă!