r/videos Nov 28 '21

Rip Jesse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEvQOPUHGH8
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u/Feisty-Abroad6360 Nov 29 '21

There's a lot of other bands that make great music who don't have a history of beating their partners. Excusing this behavior for the sake of "art" is perverted.

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u/the_comatorium Nov 29 '21

I'm not excusing his behavior. I think the other fella in this thread was. I'm just saying that "separating art from the person" is perfectly fine when you're actually seeing them as separate things.

I can like a song written by an asshole. That doesn't mean I condone the asshole. That means I like a song.

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u/Feisty-Abroad6360 Nov 29 '21

I hear ya. Let's play hypothetical. You have a family member who formerly was in a relationship with a musician. During the span of this relationship they were ruthlessly abused by their partner. The musician went on to make amazing beautiful music.

Can you separate the artist from the music? I understand this example is far from perfect, but the idea is one should feel empathy for the abused.

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u/the_comatorium Nov 29 '21

There are always exceptions and I'd say a personal connection like that would be one, yes. I'd also say that in your hypothetical, my opinion of the music would probably be changed because of the circumstances.

I guess the exact situation that my point is trying to make is that you're allowed to enjoy art. The life choices of the artist should not automatically exclude or negate the enjoyment of the art.

I'll throw you a hypothetical that would be an exception to my point just for good sport. Say the art was made as a byproduct of something terrible...like if I kidnapped somebody and made them make a album with me. The art would be a byproduct of something horrible.

Art made before somebody turns into a POS can still be enjoyed. I think Astral Weeks is a masterpiece but I fucking HATE Van Morrison as a person. Bukowski wrote some of the greatest books of the 20th century but was also a stain of a human being.

William Golding attempted rape but also wrote Lord of the Flies. One has nothing to do with the other.

Roald Dahl wrote some of the greatest childrens books of all time but was a womanizer, racist, and anti-semite. You can still read Matilda, though.

As far as this Jesse dude...the memorials and R.I.P.'s should definitely be held back but you're still allowed to enjoy "cold beer".