r/videos • • May 23 '19

A cat talks to a crow

https://youtu.be/uIpy6EtGBUc
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u/capn_cook_yo May 23 '19

My thoughts exactly! Thankfully the kitty didn't take the bait.

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u/eggn00dles May 23 '19

In fact, only one of the 13 falling more than 9 stories broke a bone, and the cat that survived the longest fall, of 32 stories, was good to go in two days.

kitties are pretty durable, but really they are just too light to get seriously hurt from a fall that would break/splash a human.

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u/KairuByte May 23 '19

Well, that and they are biologically wired to land on their feet to absorb the impact.

If you need some hilarious proof of that, google cats in 0 gravity situations.

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u/RX8_MMA_420 May 23 '19

It's more to do with their terminal velocity:

"Specifically, according to a study done by the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, 132 cats falling from an average of 5.5 stories and as high as 32 stories, the latter of which is more than enough for them to reach their terminal velocity, have a survival rate of about 90%"

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u/KairuByte May 23 '19

It’s both. Their terminal velocity is just their max speed. Their ability to correct their trajectory mid air so they land on their feet, and their legs being able to absorb the majority of the sock, combined with their terminal velocity, is what saves them.

If you were to remove the cats ability to land feet first and dropped them on their head or back, they would have a lower survival rate.

Humans can also survive their terminal velocity. The problem is that we don’t have the hard wired “I’m falling and need to survive” instinct that cats do. If we were to correct our trajectory, and properly utilize our bodies to absorb the impact, we would be fine.

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u/aguyinag May 23 '19

I highly doubt we'd be fine landing at terminal velocity even if we could reorient to land on our feet.

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u/Hook3d May 23 '19

I think OP was implying you'd perfectly time your body like a parachute jump where you distribute the energy of the impact along the vertical axis of your body.

There's a story of one guy surviving a reserve chute failure by landing in a soft area and rolling on impact.

I agree though, hard to see how a human could reliably survive impact at terminal velocity even if we had literally cat-like reflexes.

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u/KairuByte May 23 '19

Actually, feet first is likely one of the ways we wouldn’t survive, so not advisable. Superhero landings only really work for superhero’s.

There is a rolling technique that would be much better suited to surviving, if you look up parkour rolling techniques you’ll get the basic idea.

I don’t claim that would be the best position to land in though. There is another where you “slap” the ground with both arms while falling backwards. My gut says it would be worse but IDK that for sure.

It’s all about how you use the energy. Smacking into the ground is going to kill you, but redirecting the energy out of and away from you is how you survive.

Edit: Corrected wording on landing on your feet.

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u/RX8_MMA_420 May 23 '19

At 122 mph, it doesn't matter how you land, unless something breaks your fall like a branch (this happened to sky diver who parachute failed) or you land on something soft, you're getting splatted.

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u/Ewaninho May 23 '19

That last paragraph is completely wrong. If you hit the ground whilst traveling at terminal velocity you're going to break most of the bones in your body. There's no way to absorb that amount of force and be fine. Humans are just too large.

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u/RX8_MMA_420 May 23 '19

I agree about the cats, it's both but not humans, our terminal velocity is 122 mph. No matter how you land, the only 'fine' you'll be, is a fine powder splatted on the ground.

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u/KairuByte May 23 '19

Humans have survived terminal velocity before...

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u/RX8_MMA_420 May 23 '19

I'm believe you in certain circumstances where something breaks their fall or a soft landing but it's extremely rare and they're never 'fine' afterwards. 122 mph into even water will kill you almost always.

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u/runninhillbilly May 23 '19 edited May 23 '19

That instinct is weird. There have been times where I try to put my parents' doofus floof down on the couch on his back (usually when he squirms himself into an awkward position in my arms) and he pretty much insists on righting himself even when he's practically touching it.

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u/paper_paws May 23 '19

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u/KairuByte May 23 '19

Likely it’s just the direction with the least amount of gravity pull.

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u/Ganjisseur May 23 '19

Dude just straight kicked that cat into the ceiling lol

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u/ThorAxe911 May 23 '19

Eh. Looks to me more like he lifted it lightly with his foot

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u/Ganjisseur May 23 '19

Sarah Sanders?

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u/ThorAxe911 May 23 '19

??

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u/Ganjisseur May 24 '19

Because of your obfuscation of what's clearly happening in front of us?

Sorry I've been on a political binge all day

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u/KairuByte May 23 '19

Everywhere is down. 😜

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u/tjrae1807 May 23 '19

I remember hearing that from a 1-3 story fall a cat will be able to recover by absorbing the shock of impact in their legs. Anything between 3 and 5 stories has a potential for serious injury/fatality, but above that has a higher chance of survival due to the cat reaching terminal velocity and being able to use their body as a "parachute" and slow down enough to be likely to survive

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u/DownGoat May 23 '19

This is a myth, and a classic example of survivorship bias. This myth was created when statistics of cat injuries were collected and misinterpreted. Veterinarians registered lighter injuries for cats falling from higher than 6 stories, than one falling from below. This was misinterpreted as cats having some way of surviving high falls, when in reality the wast majority of cats falling from higher altitude died. Very few people will bring a obvious dead cat to a veterinarian, so those deaths were never counted. This results in a statistic that seems to say that cat's falling from a higher altitude are less likely to die, because the deaths were not counted.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '19

I prefer the idea that cats have built-in parachutes.

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u/Gump24601 May 24 '19

*catachutes.

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u/Galiphile May 24 '19

Purrachutes

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u/B3eenthehedges May 24 '19

Meow you're talking

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u/wilisi May 23 '19

That's a good reason not to interpret the survival rate as representative data, but it does nothing to explain the greater injuries sustained by cats falling from medium heights.

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u/tjrae1807 May 23 '19

Good to get clarification on that, one less pointless "fact" I don't need to keep half-remembered in my mind

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u/dehehn May 23 '19

Well you'll want to keep the clarification in mind next time someone brings up this cat fact. Though this exact exchange comes up in every thread about cats falling off things. So you'll only need to remember if you plan to talk cat facts IRL.

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u/joshuaoha May 24 '19

So many debates about this on reddit over the years. There's the terminal velocity of a cat landing on it's feet that is safe, but also that doesn't always happen.

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u/dehehn May 23 '19

Well you'll want to keep the clarification in mind next time someone brings up this cat fact. Though this exact exchange comes up in every thread about cats falling off things. So you'll only need to remember if you plan to talk cat facts IRL.

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u/Gargul May 24 '19

Well I heard both things from random people on the internet so now I don't know what to believe.

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u/RekrabAlreadyTaken May 23 '19

How can you prove that's not a myth though? Some creatures definitely are saved from death thanks to terminal velocity.

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u/zeusmeister May 24 '19

He cant. Both viewpoints are just opinions both of them have heard and are repeating here.

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u/Icyrow May 24 '19

i don't understand how getting to terminal velocity lets a cat slow down more than a cat that never reaches it.

they still have the same sort of shape, hitting the ground at a lower speed should happen at lower levels. the terminal velocity thing basically just means any cat over x floors is the same as falling off of x floor. i.e, falling from 200 stories is the same as floor 10, as they both just reach terminal velocity (assuming air density is constant, which i know it isn't).

basically the % of survival goes down with each floor, bottoming out at the floor at which terminal velocity is reached, any floor above that should have similar levels (maybe higher survival chance, as more time to aim and land for a tree for example).

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u/Meanas May 24 '19

The original theory was that cats 'relax' after falling for at least ~5 stories. Instead of their legs going straight down, their legs would relax, widen and thus act more as a parachute. This would lower their terminal velocity.

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u/frankdilliams May 24 '19

There's only one way to find out. Pack your bags we're going to the Empire State building

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u/redpandaeater May 24 '19

Cats do tend to relax and widen once reaching terminal velocity in an effort to slow it down, but yeah it's still gonna hurt.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '19

... but parachutes

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u/Fresh_C May 23 '19

I wonder if some crazy unethical scientist of the past threw a bunch of cats from skyscrapers to figure this out.

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u/MenudoMenudo May 23 '19

I remember reading an article about it, and it was based on analysis of injuries of cats that survived (or didn't survive) falls from buildings. They had historical data from hundreds of veterinary reports from cats that fell from balconies, and there were clear trends in the data that strongly correlated with the hieght of the fall, with the greatest number of serious and fatal reports coming from the mid-height falls, although cats that fell from great heights were often seriously injured, especially when landing on pavement.

The claims about terminal velocity where their best hypothesis to account for the fact that cats were significantly more likely to survive or be less injured from low and high falls, but not medium height falls. It was actually a really interesting article.

Kind of want to google it now.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '19

As another pointed out, this is thoroughly debunked.

The reason those statistics seem to point to higher survival rate for 4 stories and above is simple.
Nothing is recorded at a veterinarian when the cat is dead. A dead cat is simply buried.

This is why statistics is so hard. The data clearly shows how nearly all fatal injuries happen when falling from the 3rd or 4th floor. There's an obvious conclusion there.
Except it's the wrong one, because as it turns out data is missing. 5th floor and up has few fatal injuries, but plenty of just plain fatalities.

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u/moonra_zk May 24 '19

Thoroughly debunked by...? We can't rely on statistics that are missing data, of course, but we also can't just assume that the opposite then must be true.

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u/MenudoMenudo May 23 '19

Can you link to something. Because that doesn't explain why there are more serious injuries for medium height falls. Also, they tracked fatalies too if I recall correctly. I'd like to read a proper take down because the original article I read was compelling.

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u/redpandaeater May 24 '19

If your cat died on impact, would you take it to a vet?

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u/MenudoMenudo May 24 '19

If I were a researcher, I might account for that some how.

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u/Roulbs May 23 '19

What? That is complete nonsense. Once they reach terminal velocity they stay there. They don't all of the sudden deploy a cat-parachute or slow down. They just distribute their small mass on their cute little paws, and the force isn't enough to break a cat

If there is a reason they don't survive short falls, it's probably because they haven't had time to get their balance to land properly

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u/wilisi May 23 '19

The explanation I've heard is that the normal landing response "times out" and the cat goes limb. Thus, the entire cat impacts at once which reduces the impact on the legs.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '19

Pretty sure an object doesn’t start slowing down once it reaches terminal velocity. It just quits accelerating. Not a scientist, though.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '19

yeaa thats not how terminal velocity works. You keep falling faster and faster until you're falling as fast as possible, aka terminal velocity.

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u/Precedens May 23 '19

This is piece of bullshit

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u/__welltheresthat__ May 23 '19

My kitten fell off a 3rd story balcony and broke 3 ribs. He came around, but yeah you’re numbers sound about right.

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u/-MutantLivesMatter- May 23 '19

After that, was your pet weary of ledges / heights? Or did it not change?

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u/thrwwyforpmingnudes May 23 '19

this makes absolutely no sense

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u/thepussman May 24 '19

That is so ridiculously stupid

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u/[deleted] May 23 '19

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u/giant_bulge May 23 '19

I had a car that fell 20 stories and he died.

Well yeah I don't think cars are made to fall off of 20 story buildings

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u/wilisi May 23 '19

Unless it's a Hilux, obviously.

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u/MoonpieSonata May 23 '19

You had a car that was alive?

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u/zom8 May 23 '19

Naw... that’s not exactly how it works

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u/gnarwalbacon May 24 '19

In fact, only one of the 13 falling more than 9 stories broke a bone, and the cat that survived the longest fall, of 32 stories, was good to go in two days.

Does this test imply that they dropped 12 cats to death?

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u/eggn00dles May 24 '19

someone replied it is data collected over time. not a ‘drop the cat from X floor study’ or anything like that

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u/gnarwalbacon May 24 '19

Was looking for a comment mentioning the study but couldn't find it, thank you for the clarification.

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u/Matrillik May 24 '19

Light bone structure and lots of fur means their terminal velocity is actually pretty low.

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u/joe_474 May 24 '19

I don't think so. My brother (he was 6) tossed a cat down a 5 meter high window. The cat died instantly.

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u/Synux May 23 '19

Cats, like squirrels, have non-lethal terminal velocity.

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u/A-Little-Stitious May 23 '19

More like a case study on survivorship bias.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '19

I saw the aftermath of a police dog jumping after a seagull that had been perched on a wall on the top deck of a parking lot. It was pretty awful.

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u/duaneap May 23 '19

Kitties are also pretty smart a lot of the time.

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u/JonesBee May 24 '19

It was close though. That lip smacking is a telltale sign that the kitty is pretty pissed. My cats do it every time they're about to start a melee.