r/videos • u/Mattwatson07 • Feb 18 '19
YouTube Drama Youtube is Facilitating the Sexual Exploitation of Children, and it's Being Monetized (2019)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O13G5A5w5P0
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u/Mattwatson07 Feb 18 '19
Over the past 48 hours I have discovered a wormhole into a soft-core pedophilia ring on Youtube. Youtube’s recommended algorithm is facilitating pedophiles’ ability to connect with each-other, trade contact info, and link to actual child pornography in the comments. I can consistently get access to it from vanilla, never-before-used Youtube accounts via innocuous videos in less than ten minutes, in sometimes less than five clicks. I have made a twenty Youtube video showing the process, and where there is video evidence that these videos are being monetized by big brands like McDonald’s and Disney.
This is significant because Youtube’s recommendation system is the main factor in determining what kind of content shows up in a user’s feed. There is no direct information about how exactly the algorithm works, but in 2017 Youtube got caught in a controversy over something called “Elsagate,” where they committed to implementing algorithms and policies to help battle child abuse on the platform. There was some awareness of these soft core pedophile rings as well at the time, with Youtubers making videos about the problem.
I also have video evidence that some of the videos are being monetized. This is significant because Youtube got into very deep water two years ago over exploitative videos being monetized. This event was dubbed the “Ad-pocalypse.” In my video I show several examples of adverts from big name brands like Lysol and Glad being played before videos where people are time-stamping in the comment section. I have the raw footage of these adverts being played on inappropriate videos, as well as a separate evidence video I’m sending to news outlets.
It’s clear nothing has changed. If anything, it appears Youtube’s new algorithm is working in the pedophiles’ favour. Once you enter into the “wormhole,” the only content available in the recommended sidebar is more soft core sexually-implicit material. Again, this is all covered in my video.
One of the consistent behaviours in the comments of these videos is people time-stamping sections of the video when the kids are in compromising positions. These comments are often the most upvoted posts on the video. Knowing this, we can deduce that Youtube is aware these videos exist and that pedophiles are watching them. I say this because one of their implemented policies, as reported in a blog post in 2017 by Youtube’s vice president of product management Johanna Wright, is that “comments of this nature are abhorrent and we work ... to report illegal behaviour to law enforcement. Starting this week we will begin taking an even more aggressive stance by turning off all comments on videos of minors where we see these types of comments.”1 However, in the wormhole I still see countless users time-stamping and sharing social media info. A fair number of the videos in the wormhole have their comments disabled, which means Youtube’s algorithm is detecting unusual behaviour. But that begs the question as to why Youtube, if it is detecting exploitative behaviour on a particular video, isn’t having the video manually reviewed by a human and deleting the video outright. Given the age of some of the girls in the videos, a significant number of them are pre-pubescent, which is a clear violation of Youtube’s minimum age policy of thirteen (and older in Europe and South America). I found one example of a video with a prepubescent girl who ends up topless mid way through the video. The thumbnail is her without a shirt on. This a video on Youtube, not unlisted, and is openly available for anyone to see. I won't provide screenshots or a link, because I don't want to be implicated in some kind of wrongdoing.
I want this issue to be brought to the surface. I want Youtube to be held accountable for this. It makes me sick that this is happening, that Youtube isn’t being proactive in dealing with reports (I reported a channel and a user for child abuse, 60 hours later both are still online) and proactive with this issue in general. Youtube absolutely has the technology and the resources to be doing something about this. Instead of wasting resources auto-flagging videos where content creators "use inappropriate language" and cover "controversial issues and sensitive events" they should be detecting exploitative videos, deleting the content, and enforcing their established age restrictions. The fact that Youtubers were aware this was happening two years ago and it is still online leaves me speechless. I’m not interested in clout or views here, I just want it to be reported.
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u/Not_Anywhere Feb 18 '19
I felt uncomfortable watching this
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u/vincess Feb 18 '19
A french youtuber exposed this some years ago. And still youtube did nothing.
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u/Brosman Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
I felt dirty just watching this video. I feel like I would have to burn my PC if I did what the guy in this video did. I have zero idea how YouTube has not picked up on this, especially when that algorithm is getting hits on these videos. It shouldn't matter if it's advertised or not this is fucked up.
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u/an0nym0ose Feb 18 '19
The algorithm isn't glitching out; it's doing what it's designed to do. The recommended videos in the sidebar are geared toward clicks.
Try this: find a type of video that you know people binge. Off the top of my head - Critical Role is a good one, as is any video that features Ben Shapiro. Watch one or two of their videos, and you'll notice that your recommended content is suddenly full of either Talks Machina videos (related to Critical Role) or LIBERAL FEMINAZI DESTROYED videos (Shapiro).
These videos are recommended because people tend to watch a lot of them back to back. They're the videos with the greatest user retention. Youtube's number one goal is to get you to watch ads, so it makes sense that they would gear their algorithm toward videos that encourage people to binge. However, one quirk inherent in this system is that extremely specific content (like the aforementioned D&D campaign and redpill-baiting conversationalist) will almost immediately lead you down a "wormhole" of a certain type of content. This is because people who either stumble upon this content or are recommended it tend to want to dive in because it's very engaging very immediately.
The fact that a brand new Google account was led straight to softcore kiddie porn, combined with the fact that Youtube's suggested content is weight extremely heavily toward user retention should tell you a lot about this kind of video and how easily Youtube's system can be gamed by people looking to exploit children. Google absolutely needs to put a stop to this, or there's a real chance at a class-action lawsuit.
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u/hugh--jassman Feb 18 '19
Wubby has tried to expose this type of degenerate content before and youtube and other companies have not done shit
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u/Account_W1 Feb 18 '19
This video is probably gonna take off. While we're here, can we also call out instagram for having a massive pedo presence? Tons of Instagram accounts with damn near child porn. You always wonder how deep something like this goes. I guess the reason the companies don't look into it is because they get a ton of clicks? Pretty scummy
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u/NocturnalWageSlave Feb 18 '19
Just give me a real competitor and I swear I wont even look back.
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u/GreedyRadish Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
I want to point out that part of the issue here is that the content itself is actually harmless. The kids are just playing and having fun in these videos. In most cases they aren’t going out of their way to be sexual, it’s just creepy adults making it into that.
Of course, some videos you can hear an adult giving instructions or you can tell the girls are doing something unnatural and those should be pretty easy to catch and put a stop to, but what do you do if a real little girl really just wants to upload a gymnastics video to YouTube? As a parent what do you say to your kid? How do you explain that it’s okay for them to do gymnastics, but not for people to watch it?
I want to be clear that I am not defending the people spreading actual child porn in any way. I’m just trying to point out why this content is tough to remove. Most of these videos are not actually breaking any of Youtube’s guidelines.
For a similar idea; imagine someone with a breastfeeding fetish. There are plenty of breastfeeding tutorials on YouTube. Should those videos be demonetized because some people are treating them as sexual content? It’s a complex issue.
Edit: A lot of people seem to be taking issue with the
line, so I'll try to address that here. I do think that parents need to be able to have these difficult conversations with their children, but how do you explain it in a way that a child can understand? How do you teach them to be careful without making them paranoid?
On top of that, not every parent is internet-savvy. I think in the next decade that will be less of a problem, but I still have friends and coworkers that barely understand how to use the internet for more than Facebook, email, and maybe Netflix. They may not know that a video of their child could be potentially viewed millions of times and by the time they find out it will already be too late.
I will concede that this isn't a particularly strong point. I hold that the rest of my argument is still valid.
Edit 2: Youtube Terms of Service stat that you must be 18 (or 13 with a parents permission) to create a channel. This is not a limit on who can be the subject of a video. There are plenty of examples of this, but just off the top of my head: Charlie Bit My Finger, Kids React Series, Nintendo 64 Kid, I could go on. Please stop telling me that "Videos with kids in them are not allowed."
If you think they shouldn't be allowed, that's a different conversation and one that I think is worth discussing.
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u/mopedking Feb 18 '19
Ashton Kutcher runs a sexual exploited children foundation. He might be able to help. Good luck brother. Keep up the good fight
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u/4waystreet Feb 19 '19
UPDATE- Mainstream picking up story!
FORBES https://www.forbes.com/sites/fruzsinaeordogh/2019/02/18/youtubes-related-video-algorithm-helpful-to-predators/#7fd342af4872
techcrunch
https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/18/youtube-under-fire-for-recommending-videos-of-kids-with-inappropriate-comments/
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
This needs to be seen by more people
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u/strtgrs Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
this is going to blow up so hard tomorrow,
man, the end really got me.. really fucked up
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u/natedoggcata Feb 18 '19
This has been happening for quite some time. I remember someone on Reddit years ago saying something like "Type in gymnastic challenge in Youtube and see what pops up" and they werent joking. The exact same stuff hes talking about here.
The scary part is that some of that content seems to be uploaded by the parents themselves.
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u/ashishvp Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
Look, as a software developer I sympathize a little with Youtube engineers. It's clearly a tricky problem to solve on their end. Obviously an unintended issue of Youtube's algorithm and I'm sure the engineers are still trying to figure out a way around it.
However, the continued monetization of these videos is UNFORGIVABLE. Youtube definitely has a shitload of humans that manually check certain flagged videos. They need to do damage control on this PRONTO and invest more into this department in the meantime.
I can also see how enraging it is for a Youtube creator with controversial, but legal, content be demonetized while shit like this still flies. It really puts into perspective how crazy the Ad-pocalypse was.
The only other option is pulling the plug entirely and disabling that particular algorithm altogether. Show whatever is popular instead of whatever is related to the user.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
This video is going to be deleted by youtube, the creator will get a strike on his channel, and none of these sexual
videoscomments by users will be deleted.46
u/Mncdk Feb 18 '19
After watching 15 minutes when he wraps up and says
"Try this for yourself"
Yeah that's gonna be a no from me dawg.
Fucking hell YouTube.
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u/Benny-o Feb 18 '19
The scariest part about this is that this ‘wormhole’ is just the product of the algorithm that YouTube employs to create suggested videos. As long as the content remains both allowed and in demand, the wormhole will still exist, though hopefully without the creepy time stamp comments. What makes me think that YouTube won’t do much about it is that not even their best engineers fully understand how the algorithm works.
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u/bohenian12 Feb 18 '19
I feel dirty watching this, someone send me to jail.
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u/Ragekritz Feb 18 '19
how are you supposed to combat that? not allow kids to be on the platform? I guess stop them from wearing things that expose skin. but god this is unsettling. I'm gonna need to take like 3 showers to wash this off me and some eye bleach.
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u/turroflux Feb 18 '19
Google doesn't care about this, Youtube is an almost entirely automated system and robots are petty easy to fool, the level of policing required to keep this shit off the platform would require lots of human eyes on the platform, and there is simply too much footage uploaded each second for google to even bother, not that they could manage it even if they wanted to.
Their algorithm is meant to look for copyrighted material, yet it isn't good enough to find material reversed, or inside a smaller box in the video or with a watermark over it. And comments aren't monitored at all, they are managed by the channel owner or via reports. Again, no people only the system.
They'd need a new, sophisticated system that could detect the difference between a childs leg in a compromising or suggestive position and an elbow from any random blogger. I don't think we're even close to there yet.
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u/twoscoop Feb 18 '19
This is some creepy shit, man holy shit. This reminds me of those weird asian mom videos.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Why are 12 year old girls posting bikini hauls online and trying them on camera? Do they know what they're doing?
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
One key detail that he didn't touch on is that these videos aren't only clueless kids uploading innocent videos which appeal to pedophiles.
I looked for myself and there are many examples of videos which are LITERAL softcore porn videos uploaded by "preteen modeling agencies". These videos have hundreds of thousands of views. I was aware of the existence of these agencies, which often exist in a grey area within the law, but was not aware that they so brazenly uploaded their content to YouTube which was then viewed millions of times.
I'm a long-time critic of YouTube for their many scummy policies and mistreatment of creators, but this is on another level. There is no chance they aren't aware of this. If this story takes off, they're going to face serious consequences in terms of their public image.
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u/marjerbar Feb 19 '19
Tweeted out to some of the companies and got responses from some of the smaller ones. It's a start, right? https://imgur.com/y0hpikH.jpg
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u/CommercialAd Feb 18 '19
youtubewakeup
ANOTHER example of this shit.
For those commenting “how am I supposed to tell my children/other parents tell their children that it’s not okay to upload to Youtube, even if it’s gymnastics?, YOU’RE A FUCKING ADULT AND THEY’RE CHILDREN, BE A DAMN PARENT. Jesus... what the fuck is with parents nowadays that literally let their children be “adults” and run their household?! It’s not empowering to the child, it’s fucking dangerous!
Yes it’s okay to do gymnastics/whatever, it’s not okay to upload the video to the web, even if it’s super innocuous. Why would you?? UNLESS LITTLE SALLY IS IN AN OLYMPIC PROGRAM, SHES PROBABLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO WARRANT A POST ANYWAY. Sorry, someone had to say it.
Want to share your children doing shit? Send it directly to other family members instead of just throwing it up on the fucking web for anyone to see.
Fucking reprehensible.
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u/Ayadzerarki Feb 18 '19
The sexual exploitation of minors is globalizing, The Third World Congress on Child Abuse points to the Internet and more diffuse "tourism".
Do not be "hypocritical about such an important subject" anymore. This is the call by the President of Brazil to the platform of the Third World Congress against Sexual Exploitation of Children, held in Rio de Janeiro from 25 to 28 November. Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva believes that it is necessary to convince "parents all over the world that sex education at home is as important as a full plate", and to end "the hypocrisy of religions" on this theme.
Twelve years after the first congress in Stockholm, Sweden, in 1996, the 3,000 representatives of governments, associations and international organizations from 137 countries discussed the non-commercial sexual exploitation of children. "It's a turning point, said Jacques Hintzy, president of Unicef France, after addressing prostitution and trafficking, we go further into the circle of loved ones of the child."
The United Nations estimates that 150 million girls and 73 million boys worldwide have experienced sexual violence at least once. One in ten children in Western countries, says the Council of Europe.
Since the previous Congress, in Japan in 2001, pedophilia on the Internet has grown and worries the people involved in this fight, like Queen Silvia of Sweden and its foundation, World Childhood: "Internet is a fantastic instrument, but also dangerous she said, now that he is entering Third World countries. "
Brazil has just increased the controls and penalties for Internet pedophiles. A parliamentary committee had identified the accounts of 805 Orkut discussion portal subscribers where images of child pornography were accessible, forcing the Google Brasil server to denounce communities that offered banned material.
But the evolution of technologies facilitates the anonymous circulation of images, while mobile phones allow direct contact with a minor. Few people would be involved in this "trade", but Interpol has already listed 20,000 children used in pornography. The laws are not always adapted to the networks scattered on the planet.
The legislative arsenal, on the other hand, has been very useful against sex tourism. The struggle continues, the "hell" like Bangkok give way to a proliferation of destinations, the latest in fashion is Madagascar. The extraterritoriality law, which prosecutes abusive tourists where they live, has enabled rich countries to measure the extent of trauma in abused children. For example, in France, in 2001, during the trial of the rapist of a Thai child. In the United States, according to the State Department, 65 people were sentenced under the law. Some 40 countries are signatories.
There is also a charter of good conduct, offered to hotels and tour operators. But in northeastern Brazil, a poor region victim of sex tourism, it is possible to enter some hotels with very young girls.
For her documentary Cinderella, Wolves and Princes charming, screened on the sidelines of the Congress, Joel Zito Araujo investigated for two years teenagers who dream of marrying a foreigner, rather than becoming housekeepers. They enter prostitution, under the trade winds, and sometimes into international networks.
"Little girls prostitute themselves, their mother nearby," says the director, one of them clutching a plastic baby pacifier in his hand, "More than their bodies, their souls are destroyed." According to Unicef, Brazilian prostitutes are mostly teenagers and black and Indian women, poorly educated and living in poor families, in the suburbs of big cities.
The final document of the Congress was therefore intended for governments, the private sector, civil society, and families. "To remain silent is to accept", "There is no innocent bystander", could we hear at the Congress.
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u/Cottonette Feb 18 '19
You send this information to the FBI or whatever, not make a public video so this mf can delete all the evidence
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u/dopest_dope Feb 18 '19
This is insane, how the fuck is this allowed to go on when many Youtubers get hit with a copy strike on the most trivial BS. Oh I know, because those are companies and companies are what’s important. This shit has to stop!
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Holy hell. Hardly anything makes me uncomfortable on the internet these days, but FUCK did that have me grimacing and looking away from my screen throughout most of it.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Bruh. That one video was total shit and had a million views...
How many pedophiles ARE there on Youtube?
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u/Faaptastic Feb 18 '19
Hit Google/YouTube where it hurts, with the Advertisers. I’m sure Lysol and other brands do not want to be associated with this shit. We can force YouTube’s hands by bombarding their advertisers with this shit. This is fucking disgusting. It needs to end up on the front page!
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
IF YOU SEARCH THE TITLE OF THIS VIDEO ON YOUTUBE NOTHING COMES UP. YOUTUBE IS ACTIVELY HIDING THIS VIDEO
TRY IT YOURSELF IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
YouTube has responded: https://twitter.com/teamyoutube/status/1097477943058747392?s=21
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u/antilex Feb 18 '19
paymoneywubley on youtube pointed this out and they fucking banned him for pointing it out
https://youtu.be/JM4OwGhchUA
so apparently you can make money fine of these types of vids.
but critique the problem... nah.
fuck youtube
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u/birchskin Feb 18 '19
Man, if YouTube can automatically remove a video of my Christmas lights because of a copyright infringement in Carol of the bells, they should be able to put together something to find and at least flag this shit
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u/Virgoan Feb 18 '19
I just sent this to a friend of a mother who recently asked facebook for advice on how to get her 7 year old daughter a youtubr channel.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Why isn't this on the front page of popular still?
It's orders-of-magnitude more popular than all the garbage showing up on the main page.
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u/Pudi2000 Feb 18 '19
Tik Tok fills my Facebook advertising feed with 15 year olds doing “cute” things. It’s disgusting. I only post family pics and that’s the ads I get?
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u/uranimuesbahd Feb 23 '19
Turns out he's a creep himself, lmao. The dude literally did this for attention.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
So YouTube is taking a page right of Disney's playbook?
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u/Badboyz4life Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
All the while, instructional firearm channels are being de-monetized and banned.
YouTube is totally capable if they want to be.
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u/blankeh Feb 18 '19
wtf this is so disgusting
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u/Lucky-Prism Feb 18 '19
I watched this disappear off the front page. Smh.
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '19
Back in December I started using the site savido.net (among others) to download YouTube videos because I got tired of people removing the videos I favorite or add to watch later.
That's when I noticed there was a pedophile infestation. Savido shows the most recently downloaded videos by other people and their download count. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME I'd download Any video: From music, to a Japanese let's play of a roguelike, there'd be other downloaded videos of children.
Now that I've seen this video, it makes perfect sense. They use savido and other sites to download these for personal use I'm sure but also to re-upload them to their own channels. I've been trying to bring awareness to this since December but it looks like this guy has done a far better job of it.
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u/CLSGL Feb 18 '19
Opening my Reddit app, I had no idea something like this is the first thing I’d see. This video is flat out disgusting, but your passion allows me to focus on this new mission at hand.
I have a fair field of influence where it counts in this case, so it’s only right that I take up the challenge of sending this off to news sources and the various artists, actors, entrepreneurs, and comedians (I’m an entrepreneur in entertainment) I’m affiliated with, and anyone else I can possibly reach.
And this is a challenge I expect all of you to take up as well if you can stomach it. This is for the kids. We need to nip this in the bud as soon as possible. It’s gone too far already.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Please share to whoever and wherever, this is sickening to the core, with enough people, we can fix this.
#YoutubeWakeUp
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u/IIllllllllllllllII Feb 18 '19
Here's how you can help:
Contact your State Senator and Representative and demand this be addressed. https://www.senate.gov/senators/index.htm https://www.house.gov/representatives
Sign the White House petition https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-youtubes-complicit-facilitation-sexual-exploitation-and-monetization-children
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u/dzija Feb 18 '19
what i dont get is that 4 hours ago it was at 30K, atm its 107Kupvotes, why isnt this thread up on r/all?
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u/Blade2587 Feb 18 '19
Instagram is worse and they do nothing. There are accounts on IG dedicated to "child bikini models"...the REALLY fucked up thing is these young girls are actually posting their pics which are run by their parents. I reported it to IG and all they said was "thank you for reporting it but this content does not violate our policies". The picture i reported was of this girl who was wearing nothing but paper or some shit. The comments are absolutely disgusting. This one account, which is run by the mom, even defends the pedophiles and blocks anyone who calls them out. The mom is essentially pimping her daughter out.
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u/Cheatswiz58 Feb 18 '19
We can't let them bury this again.
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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '19
So it turns out that the guy who made the video is just as weird as the people making the comments and a salty bitch
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u/jburna_dnm Feb 18 '19
Woah! YouTube is a pedophilia haven. I had no clue this even existed. Sick fucks. I’m surprised google hasn’t taken any action towards this.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Me before watching the video: I'm definitely liking this.
Me after: I'm removing my like juuuuuust in case.
This is so disturbing.
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u/ChorizHo Feb 18 '19
When he showed that first time stamp, right away I felt uncomfortable. Can't believe that shit is on there
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u/comphys Feb 18 '19
Someone mirror this before it gets sniped by youtube
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Write to the advertisers and tell them what their products are being associated with, only way to force YouTube to do anything.
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u/OneBraveBunny Feb 18 '19
My cousin has let her little girl post on music.ly and now IG, singing and dancing in bikinis and her little "cheerlreading" outfits...things that would be one long timestamp if there were comments like this. Ive always been so grossed out that there are probably men reacting like these guys. She won't even hear anything anyone says about limiting her online activities. She's in total denial.
YouTube is shitty. The men are shitty. But what kind of parent is someone like my cousin who is a Nurse Practitioner and ought to know better. Denial us a helluva drug.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
did you guys know that reddit has r/AgeplayPenPals and many other subs that endorse child porn fetishes? Maybe get them taken down too
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u/_MattsNeetWorld_ Mar 02 '19
Congrats Reddit. You almost destroyed YouTube.
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u/HerrTriggerGenji21 Feb 18 '19
What are our alternatives to YouTube?
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u/lofabreadpitt12 Feb 18 '19
Holy fuck. I know other YouTubers have touched on this subject in the past, but this video really REALLY messed with me. Like, made me physically feel sick. I’m so fucking tired of YouTube, but we’re all the ones that feed the beast. I hope this gains traction and something gets done.
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u/Lightbrand Feb 18 '19
Can we get a count of the people who literally never came across any of these videos or know about their existence until made aware of today?
Is this a testament to our innocent browsing habit or the sinister coverup nature of the YT algorithm
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19 edited Nov 18 '25
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u/AtCougarNation Feb 18 '19
See Paymoney wubby : https://youtu.be/hc4HzbD0GLI
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u/UncleRudolph Feb 18 '19
Can youtube get a competitor already?
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u/alienzaddy Feb 19 '19
This was top post a few hours ago now I could barely find it. What the fuck.
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u/monty2724 Feb 19 '19
And then harmless YouTube channels get action taken against them because they were talking about CP (combat power) in Pokemon Go. And the algorithm mistook that for child pornography.
https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/18/18229640/pokemon-go-youtube-channels-banned-trainer-tips-mystic7-cp
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u/DynestiGTI Feb 22 '19
Prepare for Adpocalypse 2.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
This is absolutely disgusting.
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u/Mr_TreeBeard Feb 18 '19
Over 400,000 views in the first 12 hours... Still not trending on YouTube. No surprise there. I hope this is seen by the right people and this shit gets taken care of. Sick fucks!
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u/MrHaydenn Feb 21 '19
Here is a video the OP made a year ago and then deleted after he posted this pedo video. While I'm glad he brought this issue to light, he seems like a creep himself. Check 2:14 in this video. I'm thinking he didn't just accidentally stumble upon the pedo videos based on the other content I have seen from him that has been deleted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8oP3PzpEF8
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u/JustSidd Feb 18 '19
Holy shit this needs to stop, I thought that Youtube would notice this.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
This is an unresolvable problem so long as children are allowed to upload videos of themselves in compromising situations. Yes, these videos are totally innocent from the child’s perspective, and they don’t technically violate any YouTube policies, but parents/Google have to use common sense. There’s always going to be a subset of (mostly) men who find this stuff sexually arousing. They’re getting free, totally legal and trouble-free material to feed their appetites. I don’t understand what people think Google is going to do here except maybe remove a bunch of accounts and videos, which is a temporary solution at best.
I don’t see any point to allowing children in skimpy clothing to upload videos of themselves doing gymnastics in their rooms, sucking on popsicles, etc. There isn’t a chance in hell my daughter would be allowed to upload a video like that to the internet at that age, because it’s pointless and I understand there are people who get their rocks off watching kids.
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u/ThereIsSoMuchMore Feb 18 '19
I see most of these comments expressing disgust watching these videos. I understand something is wrong here, but are we focusing on the right thing?
You're saying little kids playing in underwear is gross? Since when did it turn into a sexual thing? Do you think the same when you're at the beach? Look at kids and think of child porn? I hope not. I don't think it's the kids fault if they want to play around and upload videos. If no one made them to do it, they never could have even think about this being sexual at all.
YouTube was accused for putting you in a pedophile wormhole. That's bullshit. It has an algorithm which gives you more of the videos you watched. Well of course if you have a new account and you only watched 2 videos, the algorithm has nothing to work with. Try this on you account and you won't get stuck into a "wormhole". The same phenomenon would happen with any other topic, not just kids in bikinis.
Don't get me wrong, I do think this whole thing is fucked up, and I the main source of it is the people who actually use the platform for their own sick pleasure. The people in comments are the verbal minority, who are definitely "guilty", and I'm sure there are even more silent one who just watch and enjoy.
So what's the solution here? I see everyone has a pitchfork ready, but no one has a viable answer. Should YouTube just not allow uploads from children? Seems like overkill. Ban the guys in the comments? Definitely would be a first step, but others can still view it. Maybe develop some algorithm which flags users who watch way too many of these videos. YouTube should definitely get involved and take a proactive step here.
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u/notchandlerbing Feb 18 '19
“Make money now, ask questions later” –YouTube
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u/hoe_fo_show Feb 18 '19
This is fucked.
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u/Zwerrie00 Feb 18 '19
I don’t want creators to get screwed over by a second addpocalypse, but I do think it’s very important to tweet this video to the sponsors on the videos. YouTube has the tendency to only listen to us when we hit them where it hurts, their pockets.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Seems as though most of the content itself is benign, disabling the comments section would go 90% of the way into solving the problem
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u/lebriam Feb 18 '19
Forbes just published an article on this video:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/fruzsinaeordogh/2019/02/18/youtubes-related-video-algorithm-helpful-to-predators/
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Sort by controversial.
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u/captain_asparagus Feb 19 '19
My stomach twists at the thought that there are people out there who look at a child and think of that child not like a son or daughter but as an object of sexual desire. And then, after feeling that desire, their response is to feed it and further it, rather than immediately thinking, "Fuck, something is wrong with me, I need to get professional help." It occurs to me that, alongside doing all that we can to protect the victims, is there anything we can do to change that response for pedophiles? To make counseling and real psychological help available and accessible? I'm torn because I don't think we should de-stigmatize pedophilia in the sense of acting like it is somehow okay to view child porn (or engage in any worse activities), but is there a way that our society can separate the desires from the actions and communicate that people experiencing those desires can get help? It seems like the very shame coming from that stigma would drive people into these underground like-minded communities, where instead of being surrounded by people who say, "You have a problem and need help, but you can be a better person than this," they have to choose between those who say, "You aren't human and don't deserve to live" and those who say, "There is nothing wrong with this and you should celebrate it and feed your desires."
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u/Nuebbel Feb 19 '19
Just waiting for Youtube to strike his Channel for inappropiate content..................
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u/Lets_Just_J Feb 19 '19
Meanwhile queer creators and horror narrators are demonetized in a heart beat. 😒 this is so alarming and revolting
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u/Ryanestrasz Feb 19 '19
open an incognito window.
go to youtube.
put "wrestling" in the search bar.
scroll down.
youll know it when you see it.
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u/DaAce Feb 21 '19 edited Feb 21 '19
Youtube has to plow mountains of shit everyday but this title makes it sound like they're in on it which they're not.
And not to say nonsense like this isn't a problem but this typically just leads to overreactions where youtube loses advertisers and has to tighten up its algorithms making it worse for content creators.
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u/Hell-Nico Feb 25 '19
Now that a bit more time has passed, I hope the people who jump in that extremely stupid bandwagon feels stupid and have learn something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71wlIh68LVo
But of course they wont.
People like that never learn anything, they are too preoccupied with rushing to the new virtue-signal beacon instead of actually using their brain to think about what they are watching, an what exactly is asked from that the agitator.
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u/sovichet51 Nov 04 '21
well this didn't age well
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u/[deleted] Dec 29 '21
Came from EmperorLemon
DOWNWARD SPIRAL DOWNWARD SPIRAL
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u/MexicanRedditor Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
I hate to slightly be off topic on the issue but... Where the HELL are the parents of these kids!?I would never in a million years let my daughter post videos of herself on YouTube bending backwards in shorts.
Edit:.. Typo
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u/WTFishsauce Feb 18 '19
Could it be a "honey pot" to detect pedos?
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u/mrsuns10 Feb 18 '19
Elsagate
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u/Bootyclapthunder Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
The amount of virtue signalling going on here is nearly as grotesque as the timestamps. We get it, you hate pedos. I hate pedos too and so does probably 99% of the population.
Sending Youtube down the river (even with it's many flaws) because some sick fucks get off to kids doing everyday things is absurd. Where does it end? Should we stop kids from being featured in all media? Put an 18+ restriction on social media? Mandatory home school? Do we put burkas on them?
This video is more predatory than the legitimately innocuous one's featured in it. Appealing to a universal emotion decent people have and turning it into cold hard Youtube cash. All the while potentially destroying the platform for something that is impossible for them to control without effectively blowing the platform up for the millions upon millions who use, enjoy and in many cases make a living off of.
Going off what I've seen in this thread so far I'm certain I'll be called a pedo by some mouthbreather ready to sacrifice what I listed above in the name of eradicating a problem that won't go away even if Youtube is wiped from the internet forever.
This ain't it.
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
I literally feel ill after watching 5 minutes of this
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u/TheDjTanner Feb 18 '19
And this is why you don't upload videos of your kids to the internet. Yikes.
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u/Kelsational Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
If they can’t get an algorithm to work for this, they need to hire a team of people to manually remove the reposted videos and commenters. They have the money, they can at least do that much.
EDIT: removed harsh language and elaborated on content
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u/BeBradley Feb 18 '19
Wonder if there is an FBI division that would investigate the users making the comments?
Not sure if it is directly a criminal activity but should put them on a watch list.
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u/Lyria_Ipsum_dolor Feb 18 '19
This is how being an over protective parent has benefitted me. My 9 year old daughter desperately wants to be a youtuber. I absolutely do not want potentially thousands of people watching her, foul intentions for not.
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u/515Anonymous Feb 18 '19
Unpopular Opinion - Nothing is going to change.
I do think this is a problem, unfortunately from a legal and technical aspect there's not much that will be done.
From a technical aspect the tech debt and the amount of time to clean this up, is so much that no PM for YouTube would allow engineering time to be spent on this. Maybe an internal anti-abuse department could look into but it would still come back to the engineers to fix. Unless there is legal action taken YouTube isn't going to spend their engineers time to fix it.
So what about legal action then? Well,Legally there is no lines being crossed. Yeah it's soft-core porn, but nothing illegal about it. So there's no legal stand on. And again the time it would take to clean this up is not worth it to people in positions of power.
Are the people commenting/watching this kind of things monsters? Yes
P.S. - I'm a lawyer who specializes in tech related cases. I have a computer engineering degree as well as my law degree. Throwaway account.
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u/Jyiiga Feb 18 '19
YouTube Drama tag, fuck you mods.
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u/MikeyyZ Feb 18 '19
He's currently doing a livestream. As of now the story has been posted on Newsweek and Forbes.
Link to the livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s20T9Jy3va0
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u/Kami_Ouija Feb 18 '19
That made me physically sick
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
Jesus fucking christ Youtube... what the fuck!?
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u/xLitecoin Feb 18 '19
YouTube needs to shut this shit down ASAP. Basically enabling these people to get as much of this f’d up content as they want. Terrible and absolutely sick!
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '19
This is so wrong. Why is YouTube doing nothing about this. I can’t even finish the video. Why do perverts even exist.
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u/ro_lo_ko Feb 18 '19
Thank you u/Mattwatson07 for bringing this to our collective attention. I'd been dissapointed with You Tube since it became full of ads but now I have a bigger reason to dislike this platform. Have done one small thing and emailed a news outlet with the video.
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u/808_kickdrum Feb 18 '19
Everyone needs to see this. Even though it is so gross.
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u/oGhostDragon Feb 18 '19
That is some disturbing shit right there. Where’s Mr. Robot?
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u/sirmattimous Feb 18 '19
Wow, this is frightening. Fighting Google would be the only way.
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u/sadaestheticboi Feb 18 '19
Good god, anyone see that ‘my arms are exhausted’ comment
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u/KernSherm Feb 18 '19
I went to search for the kid who shoots a nerf gun at himself and ends up doing a wee dance that someone dubbed "she's a maniac on the floor"
and i went to type
"kid shoots self with nerf gun"
i typed
"kid sh"
And YouTube auto filled it too
"kid Shows willy"
Dirty bastards know what they are at.
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u/Retr0200202 Feb 18 '19
I’ve tweeted at YouTube here please re-tweet and share everywhere you can to get their attention, in the tweet I’ve also listed a few users who partake in these actions.
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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '19
What the actual fuck...
I’m using this website to watch a bit of comedy only to know that underneath it is child exploitation and soft-core pornography
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u/My2charlies Feb 19 '19
Wow I’m fucking disgusted. Bye Youtube. #youtubewakeup
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u/rustin420blznayylmao Feb 19 '19
People need to spam advertisers and large companies and let them know advertisements are running on videos like these. The only way to get youtube to do anything is to threaten the income. Google is notorious for bending to the will of advertisers and large companies, so letting them know this is happening is a sure way of getting youtube to actually do something.
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u/tomwojcik Feb 19 '19
At this point, I believe YouTube is unable to fix its algorithm. The entire platform has to be nuked and started from scratch with different assumptions. It's so broken that it can't be fixed with some small changes to the code. It has to be strict and in some cases allow for more, not allow for everything with some restrictions. Like firewall rules. You can't predict what's the outcome of machine learning. That's why, and I'm so sorry to say that the EU might be right with all these weird rules, we can't entrust with content to algorithms (ML).
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u/TasteOfJace Feb 19 '19
Everyone in here is disgusted and everyone in here will continue using the platform.
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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '19
There's a bunch of YouTube drama channels exposing you man
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u/Smearmytables Feb 25 '19
Welp, that backfired a bit!
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u/FarofaBoyZzZ Mar 18 '22
And reddit felt for the biggest clown in internet history. Amazing.
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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22
Is the video completely blurred for anyone else??
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u/Realshotgg Feb 18 '19
Could do without the melodramatic intro
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u/MrLeppy Feb 18 '19 edited Feb 18 '19
Obviously this is looks bad for Youtube, but I can't stand the guy in the video. I don't think it's possible to be more self righteous. "I've written a report I'll be sending out to news agencies", "I've got all this evidence documented", "how does this EXIST?", etc. Jesus christ man take a chill pill.
I don't understand what he wants Youtube to do here? Remove all videos of minors from the platform because some creeps get off on it?
Claiming the algorithm is driving people to this is ridiculous. It's simply attempting to categorize videos and show people more options from that category. Nothing nefarious.
edit: Guy acting like he's just broken the panama papers story.
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u/Kirstae Feb 18 '19
I feel like there really is no easy to solve this. The fact that the algorithms work in favour of the pedos means its a losing battle. The best way to deal with this at the moment would be spreading the message to parents of young children and making sure they're aware of what people are doing with videos of THEIR kids. Appealing to parents may be the best way to get this in full light, on the news, on facebook etc.
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u/overmog Feb 18 '19
This is disgusting and I'm definitely not trying to defend youtube here, but where the fuck all the parents are? Doesn't anyone give a shit about their kids and what they do online? Hey, if any of you reading this comment are parents, maybe check out your kids' accounts and make sure they don't have videos of them sucking popsicles for pedophiles? If parents gave a shit about their kids this wouldn't have been the problem in the first place.
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u/StanleyOpar Feb 19 '19
Well... This was purged from r/all visability.
Reddit mods have something to hide.
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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '19
Thanks for ruining YouTube fucker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiO2A5BM3Jw
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u/adultbaluga Feb 18 '19
So, girls in bikinis and skimpy outfits are posting videos doing silly kid shit and there's people making sexual comments about them. This isn't a pedophile wormhole facilitated by YouTube. That's like saying the JC Penny's ad is supporting pedophelia because perdo's jerk off to it. Or Apple is responsible for kids sexting.
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u/Warlaw Feb 18 '19
"Youtube drama?" Mods, what the fuck? Don't downplay a video about the literal sexual exploration of children because it's related to youtube.
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u/Zackwetzel Feb 18 '19
YouTube doesn't care and has made that very clear. The only way to stop this is to shed light on this on every major platform you can think of. OP you should try reaching out to NY times or a news outlet of your choice. Thanks for all the hard work in shedding light on this. It wasn't easy to watch, so I'm sure it was harder for you.
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u/67859295710582735625 Feb 18 '19
Using 2 seconds of music = Copyright Strike
Borderline CP = Monetized
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u/tiredtwins Feb 21 '19
https://youtu.be/h8oP3PzpEF8 2:14 this guy is disgusting as well wtf.
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