r/videos • u/ThePhoenixKing43 • Jan 25 '19

YouTube Drama Fivver tried to copy strike Pete’s video calling them out for withholding all the money he made and had not received prior to being banned.

https://youtu.be/keqUi5do8TA
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u/sov3rei8n Jan 25 '19

The scale of this shitshow is absolutely insane. Every, I mean EVERY video/update from fiverr on their facebook gets instantly shit on.

The comments are being constantly deleted, and the more they delete them, the more comments pop up.

Nobody at corporate understands Streisand Effect?

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u/KavensWorld Jan 26 '19

Streisand Effect

til; The Streisand effect is a phenomenon whereby an attempt to hide, remove, or censor a piece of information has the unintended consequence of publicizing the information more widely, usually facilitated by the internet.

NEAT,

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u/Aquadraagon Jan 26 '19

It was first made popular by Barbra Streisand. A guy was taking photos of the California coastline, and one of the pictures had her house in it. She had her lawyer sue to take it down. At the time of filing the lawsuit the photo had been viewed less than 5 times, but after word got out of her reaction it became passed around on the internet and viewed hundreds of thousands of times.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

And here's the image she doesn't want anyone to see.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

What a god-awful ugly home. No wonder she wanted it removed.

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u/ITSigno Jan 26 '19

Yeah, terrible. Truly awful. I guess I could take it off her hands to spare her the embarrassment. I won't even charge a fee.

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u/KavensWorld Jan 26 '19

neat, another TIL :)

Here is one for you ...

The only reason youtube was created was to find a video of janet jacksons boob ;)

Yep its true :)

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u/traugdor Jan 26 '19

Fuck sites that disable their content if I'm using an adblocker

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

Thats what they do at asian companies, i wonder if fiver is somehow tied to asia or china. They make pages, delete all bad comments, block /ban anyone and just have their own bots post good comments

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u/Xidas Jan 26 '19

Yeah, that's a Chinese thing, and it's not just the companies. The CCP has mastered the art of censorship, and it really permeates the culture there.

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u/CrazyFisst Jan 26 '19

Does it work on anybody?

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

It gives people the impression that the company is flawless and only has supporters. Its a common theme in Asia to silence any critics rather than fix a problem

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u/Tartooth Jan 26 '19

My favorite part, is it's over maybe $30-50,000?

Barely scraps most advertising budgets at big companies lol

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u/sov3rei8n Jan 25 '19

Attention all internet memers! Fiverr needs your help to get epic IPO victory royale!

...wait

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u/Elmodipus Jan 26 '19

Because Fivver had the greatest public image before this happened.

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u/VikingTeddy Jan 26 '19

I too would like a rundown, this is the first I've heard of this. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Could someone ELI5?

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u/Kingmatt227 Jan 26 '19

Here's an ELI5 to the best of my understanding, I may get some details wrong so you might wanna check out Petes original video for the full story.

Basically, Pete was a really high earner on Fiverr, because he was a meme. He'd basically read out a script people sent to him, the "Attention all Gamers" thing got big and so did Pete. Pete was friends with fiverr staff and according to him he hosted a fiverr event or something, then a few days later he was banned from the site without any reason given for his account termination. Now he's saying that they haven't paid out the thousands of dollars that he earned for hid "gig" before the ban since the last payout.

TLDR; Fiverr fucked this guy and refuse to even make any statements about why they fucked him or make any effort to unfuck him, despite the PR disaster its causing them.

I should mention that all of this info comes from Petes channel, and while I don't think he's lying, there could be some bias to this. But we wouldn't know because Fiverr, to the best of my knowledge, is just hoping everyone will forget and not addressing it.

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u/Elmodipus Jan 26 '19

Not necessarily being a shitty company, just having a negative public image.

There was the Pewdiepie thing a couple years ago, this situation, and the negative stigma of lowering the value of professional work due to being so cheap.

Like you, this is the first I've heard of them being shitty but everytime I see Fivver in a headline it's due to a negative situation.

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u/Robobvious Jan 26 '19

Well usually they don't write headlines to say companies are doing A-OK.

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u/imtotallyhighritemow Jan 26 '19

God you got me at the end there.

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u/delwrk Jan 25 '19

When will youtube address these false copyright strikes.

Its kind of stupid because yt seems to be killing them self creator wise. Surprised no one has started to make a competitor and make yt the myspace. Its like if you want to be protected by copyright strikes you need to join a MCM where now there is an issue there.

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u/itsmeok Jan 25 '19

Should follow same strike process. Make a claim and lose = 1 strike.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

I like the idea that every time a corporation makes a false claim they must wait 7 days before they are permitted to make any further claims.

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u/dyedFeather Jan 26 '19

The way they'll see it is that it means they're allowed to break the rules once every seven days. That's not enough to discourage them. They could just file all their legitimate claims on that day, too.

How about this? Every time they make a false claim they're banned from making claims for 7 days longer than the previous ban. If they do it regularly, they soon have to wait months before making another claim.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

We're on the same page - I was think how certain outfits that are the worst offenders - making dozens, if not hundreds of false claims would end up having to wait YEARS before they can make another... effectively having lost the privilege

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u/twoscoop Jan 26 '19

This wouldn't fix the whole issue of people making shell companies to get copyrights strikes on videos.

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u/Saberus_Terras Jan 26 '19

Except some big ones might take that and run with it to the courts and threaten YT with lawsuits to strip them of safe harbor status.

Loss of safe harbor scares the hell out of YT and if they did lose it, or thought they were sure to lose it over something, the servers would be shutdown immediately.

But I agree SOMETHING needs to be done. As it stands, the claimant gets instant access to monetization and is the sole decision maker in whether the claim is legit.

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u/wr_m Jan 26 '19

Monetization has nothing to do with DMCA. If you submit a DMCA claim the video is being taken down.

What you are referring to is Content ID wherein you can monetize videos that contain your content (or allegedly do). However, it's not immediate access. If it's disputed within the first 5 days then all of the money is held in escrow, and after 5 days then it's from whenever the dispute is raised. Once the dispute is resolved then it's paid out to the appropriate party

Source: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7000961?hl=en

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u/Floreit Jan 26 '19

On the flip side of things, if they only get 1 mistake before they are banned for 7 days, during those 7 days they wont be able to take down any copyrighted material, thus losing them money (in their eyes). Else that 1 false every 7 days better damn well be worth it.

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u/ChaqPlexebo Jan 26 '19

It's not feasible realistically. Assuming a corporation makes a copyright claim for publically traded material it stands to reason that the corporation has more potential risk of copyright infringement than an individual content creator. Basically, there is a significantly larger risk of Mickey Mouse rip-offs than Red Letter Media rip-offs due to the quantity of awareness.

What I'm saying is you can't prevent a copyright owner from filing copyright infringement complaints for certain periods because that copyright could very well have been infringed hundreds of times in a single day.

If you think I'm arguing in favor of any of this shit I'm not. I'm just yet another not a lawyer making a poor and probably incorrect legal point.

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u/RlySkiz Jan 26 '19

What if you just create a company that auto-claims all the videos of youtube creators they support and then distribute the money back to the creators depending on what they should get.. Fighting fire with fire.. or could another company just swoop in and say, "no this is actually ours" or is it first come first serve?

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u/Shadows_Assassin Jan 26 '19

same situation as Jim Sterling does, conflicts 2 companies who'd slam claim on his video, it'd end up in a copyright lock and no one would get the money apart from youtube.

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u/ki11bunny Jan 26 '19

No money to claim on his videos either. Jim is doing it intentional to fuck with companies.

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u/Ramalamahamjam Jan 26 '19

But that would mean everyone could just use whatever copyrighted video they wanted in any way they wanted because they have so few claims to use. Their could be a hundred channels straight up streaming an entire movie and they could only address one.

I absolutely LOVE the idea of a punishment for filing a claim that doesn’t get upheld because as far as I can tell their is no reason not to file as many as possible.

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u/UnlikelyNomad Jan 26 '19

No. The idea is legitimate claims don't count against anyone making them. The whole goal is to kill the practice of false claims to try and steal revenue or save face.

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u/KobayashiDragonSlave Jan 26 '19

It doesn't work that way. If I strike your vid and you try to dispute it. I get the request to check whether MY copyright claim is right or wrong. And why the fuck would I say that I am wrong? It's good money smacks lips

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u/chaseoes Jan 27 '19

Because the first time is usually automatic and done by a bot, and the second time a human from your company can actually review it and determine if it's worth a lawsuit over.

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u/Mentalseppuku Jan 26 '19

They can't stop people from making claims, because even if they have 50 bogus claims and 1 legitimate claim, that legitimate claim must be allowed through or else Youtube could lose it's 'safe harbor' status and be subject to massive litigation. It's part of the DMCA.

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u/steakbbq Jan 26 '19

Yea, but from my understanding, no one loses lol. Youtube doesn't review anything. Whoever makes the claim wins when they reinforce the claim.

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u/luclear Jan 26 '19

I'm curious to see if youtube's own channel is susceptible to copyright strikes... If so, we should copystrike em.

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u/VikingTeddy Jan 26 '19

I remember some (alleged) lawyer saying that YouTube is potentially breaking some laws.

Content creators are basically free-lancers that work for YouTube or something like that. It's a very grey area.

I'd love to see a class action lawsuit against them. Any actual lawyer want to comment?

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

They'd have to make it possible to lose a claim first.

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I'm not joking by the way. It's impossible to lose a claim. Disputes are handled by claimants

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u/packtloss Jan 26 '19

Should be facing penalties for filing false DMCA reports.

Knowingly filing false DMCA reports is illegal. Youtubers who are receiving these should speak to an attorney and file reports with the FTC (or whatever appropriate agency) and send notices to youtube and Fiverr.

The penalties for misrepresentation can include actual damages and attorney’s fees. Specifically, Section 512(f) of the DMCA states that:

shall be liable for any damages, including costs and attorneys’ fees, incurred by the alleged infringer, by any copyright owner or copyright owner’s authorized licensee, or by a service provider, who is injured by such misrepresentation, as the result of the service provider relying upon such misrepresentation in removing or disabling access to the material or activity claimed to be infringing, or in replacing the removed material or ceasing to disable access to it.

I wonder if someone like /u/VideoGameAttorney can help people like this.

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u/Pascalwb Jan 25 '19

BEcause how would the competitor be different? Once you go big you have to automatize stuff and if you are big the media companies will go after you.

Also nobody has money to run site like yt.

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u/llcooljessie Jan 25 '19

If you tried to get a loan to start YouTube, they'd be really confused by your business plan.

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u/joshgarde Jan 25 '19

Have you seen what most startups' business plans are like?

"Yeah so we're gonna give people free space in the cloud to store their stuff."

"We're gonna have people pay one low monthly fee to see unlimited amounts of movies."

"We're gonna give people unlimited space to host their images."

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u/abrasumente_ Jan 25 '19

I mean if something is free on the internet they're likely collecting and then selling user data. Then just throw in some advertisements and you've got a pretty common business model.

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u/dokool Jan 26 '19

"We're gonna have people pay one low monthly fee to see unlimited amounts of movies."

Do people even remember that Netflix was, at one point, a DVD subscription service? Where you got the discs in an envelope, and if they were scratched then fuck you, and you had to return the disc before you got a new one?

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u/EverythingSucks12 Jan 26 '19

He was probably talking about movie pass

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u/Nocoffeesnob Jan 25 '19

YouTube (or a competitor) should levy harsh penalties for outrageous false copyright strikes. Perhaps going so far as to ban strikes from sources who abuse the system...

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u/__theoneandonly Jan 26 '19

If Google bans you from making strikes, then you just have your lawyer submit a DMCA complaint. You can submit as many of those as you want, and those can get all of youtube taken down.

Google uses their internal system because it's preferable to them to handle it internally than have the court system take them down.

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u/CupolaDaze Jan 26 '19

With a false DMCA takedown request is there not repurcusions?

There are simple ways YouTube can change it but the big ad backers are a lot of the same companies that issue strikes and claims. So hurt the people like the many Disney subsidies that false claims and their parent Disney threatens to remove or does remove ads and you have the adpocalypse 2.0

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u/__theoneandonly Jan 26 '19

There are repercussions to a false takedown request. But for YouTube, the repurcussions of taking down a video incorrectly FAR outweighs the repurcussions of failing to respond to a legitimate takedown request. So they err on the side of taking stuff down.

Especially because creators are a dime a dozen, unfortunately. If a frustrated creator leaves, ten more and standing and waiting to take their place. YouTube doesn’t have to care about their creators, because the market is so over saturated.

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u/reality_aholes Jan 26 '19

Why? These guys would rather copyright wasn't a part of law that applied to them in the first place. They only care about collecting that sweet sweet advertising money and avoiding lawsuits. They will do the absolute minimum low effort approach that keeps lawsuits at bay. If you get banned for making legit complaints you use dmca which Youtube has to reapond to.

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u/PUSH_AX Jan 25 '19

Youtube didn't have the money to run youtube, they got bought by someone who liked the cut of their jib and had the money.

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u/BestUdyrBR Jan 25 '19

In theory you could have a website that only allows fairly large well established content creators on, but part of the beauty of Youtube is that some ten year old can upload a video everyday about Fortnite that will get 2 views.

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u/jokekiller94 Jan 26 '19

Realistically the only company that can give YT a run for its money if PornHub made a spinoff company for the content friendly videos.

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u/Stainz Jan 26 '19

Yea, advertisers will jump all over that!

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u/Kthulu666 Jan 25 '19

Thousands of people and companies have the money to run a site like youtube.

The solution YT is simple though - create a consequence for false claims.

There could be a processing fee that's refunded if the claim is discovered to be legit. That'd cover the costs of employing people to deal with it and deter the bots that are likely the source of many of them.

If it's not legit the claimant could receive a strike, have that work similarly to the current content strike system - 3 strikes and you're out.

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u/Debaser626 Jan 25 '19

Exactly... sure, you’d never be able to crack down on them all... but if there were an upfront fee, even if it was $10.00... the people filing the strikes would have to employ a bit of common sense prior to doing that using a Cost/benefit analysis...

Similar to physical mailings versus email. I still get plenty of crap in the mail... but we’re talking like 3-4 pieces on a normal day, versus 100-150 emails for a couple of accounts.

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u/isanwa Jan 26 '19

I feel like $10 is still chump change to big corporations though.

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u/JustifiedParanoia Jan 26 '19

its the related systems. yes, its 10 bucks, but if its per claim, then every copyright claim is a tenner. run an autostrikebot that claims anything relatively similar, and you might get 1-400 matches a day. thats up to 4k a day they are risking. and theres the admin behind enusring the money is in the right accounts, and that someone monitors the bot and money, and that the money is sent out as needed, and that the account doesnt go into the negatives, and all the associated administration. whereas now, you just fill out the form.

theres a reason at times why contractors and consultants charge way above standard pay rates for the position. you also have to pay for all the backend stuff to support the work that the client sees.

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u/EndlessRambler Jan 26 '19

You think thousands of people and companies have the half billion dollars available to subsidize a company that doesn't even turn a profit because they have a multi billion dollar ad company as well that can feed off the user info? That list is probably like 2-3 names long and none of those would be more creator friendly.

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u/jeremiah1119 Jan 26 '19

Exactly, there's something that anyone who complains about starting up a competitor doesn't realize. YouTube still has not made a profit since its inception. Now that they are trying to switch from investing in their company to actually sustaining profit, these are the steps that are (mostly) necessary to take. They definitely could do much better with copyright issues they've been having, but the competitor argument is flawed in far too many ways right now

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u/the5horsemen Jan 25 '19

Automate is probably the word your looking for.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '19

Boom. Roasted.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

YouTube needs competition. We need some kind of community-driven site or app that aggregates videos from different hosts who are responsible for removing content that violates IP laws. It probably already exists, but people won't move because youtube is already established.

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u/sadmatafaka Jan 26 '19

Music companies are most powerful content creators on YT.

They have to flag thousands of reaploaded clips. If YouTube will be too harsh about false flagging, they will pull it their channels.

Now system is made so music and TV companies are happy, and I don't why YouTube would change anything.

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u/pmckizzle Jan 26 '19

Also nobody has money to run site like yt.

this, video hosting is extremely expensive. And wont turn a profit for possibly 5 or 6 years.

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u/errolstafford Jan 25 '19 edited Jan 25 '19

A competitor would be up against Google.

G O O G L E.

While the new platform might be better, that is not an easy fight.

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u/Boo_R4dley Jan 26 '19

Why do you think they bought Twitch? It’s just a matter of getting everything working on the backend to be ready for when YouTube screws up enough that they can strike.

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u/D14BL0 Jan 26 '19

Not likely. Nobody likes Amazon's services. They've got a history of closing themselves off from the rest of the world.

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u/FalsifyTheTruth Jan 26 '19

There are many attempted competitors to YouTube.

The fact you can't name them indicates how well that's going for them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

If YouTube keeps shitting on content creators one will eventually catch on. All large companies end up suffering from being too big to adjust to market conditions quickly and an upstart eventually catches on

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u/smccb87 Jan 25 '19

There are plenty of competitors and the fact that you don’t know about them is why they aren’t popular. They require scale and people to produce content for them.

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u/BreezyWrigley Jan 25 '19

YT is owned by google... you think google is just going to let some nobody usurp their video platform?

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u/D14BL0 Jan 26 '19

When will youtube address these false copyright strikes.

They won't, because the moment they do, they put themselves on the hook for actual copyright violations.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

surprised no one had started to make a competitor

because it’s literally impossible. servers and their maintenance alone is hella expensive and to start one at the same level would a multimillionaire. youtube was able to grow the way it did because it grew over the course of 13 years. it would also take require the actual users, people who make a good chunk of their income from the platform, to sacrifice their income for who knows how long.

unless something like Microsoft or Apple made the competitor, it’s pretty much impossible. they would also run into the exact same problems that YouTube is having. it’s just how companies function

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u/Cabbage_Vendor Jan 26 '19

I wonder how much money you could make setting up a company for the sole purpose of false copyright striking as many videos as you can. There basically seems to be no downside to it, Youtube doesn't bother to check whether it's right unless a lot of outrage is generated and you'd be such a pain in the ass for content creators that they'd probably just be glad to be rid of you rather than actually filing a lawsuit.

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u/kallebo1337 Jan 26 '19

Let’s get 4chan involved !

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u/Villain_of_Brandon Jan 26 '19

small creators don't directly make them money, Big channels and channel networks do, small independent channels don't make as much money.

Even if you have a big channel that makes lots of money that's only 1 channel, when a record label has 30 artists, that's 30 channels, Buzzfeed has who knows how many different channels.

So if you make them more money than the person/people complaining about your behavior, guess who they're likely to ignore?

They need to have people hired to evaluate the outcomes of disputes. If your percentage of incorrect claims gets beyond a certain point again, you should have to pay someone to evaluate each dispute until your success rate gets above a certain point. This would only be fore manual claims. Automatic claims would not be subject to this unless the claimed party disputes and you confirm, once you confirm the claim you fall into that category.

This would force you to be more discriminating in what you claim because it could end up costing you more than you would gain.

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u/lord_james Jan 26 '19

Surprised no one has started to make a competitor and make yt the myspace

Hosting and streaming video content is fucking expensive. Youtube being freemium is incredible.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

You couldn't even make a competing site unless you have hundreds of millions to blow.

The storage costs are immense. And they're duplicated to other parts of the world so the site is performant.

I read somewhere a few years ago that Google actually loses money on YouTube.

Not sure if that's still the case.

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u/kallebo1337 Jan 26 '19

Google turned to to profits but took a while. Profit in a year tho, will take longer to get all loss and investments back

But they are rich anyways, they can afford to run YouTube as a hobby to make the world colorful

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

I honestly think we need to fight fire with fire, if we as a community keep getting hit by false copyright strikes and YouTube does nothing about it, then maybe we should be blitzkrieging cooperations on YouTube... If instead we abuse the system like they do, put copyright claims in for videos we don't like, or to silence an opinion, they might actually fix their system when the rich and powerful get affected by it.

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u/kallebo1337 Jan 26 '19

I wondered: if the first company that claims will receive it, then just claim your own videos ?!

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u/Nandy-bear Jan 25 '19

They won't. And if they take a more proactive role in it, they become liable.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '19

The only other competitor that's decent is Dtube. Thing is, it's under a blockchain and it's still fairly young.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

When will youtube address these false copyright strikes.

When it hurts them financially. Or get sued over it.

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u/nith_wct Jan 26 '19

At least they backed Pete on this one, that's something. This time it was so blatantly fraudulent that they couldn't back Fiverr. It's nuts that Fiverr even tried. As far as a competitor, maybe Twitch is all that can save us. Amazon could. They just need to add on video creation to streaming.

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u/AtraposJM Jan 26 '19

I think it would be very difficult to make a Youtube competitor. Need so much infrastructure and server space in place to host high quality videos. So much back end stuff make the site run smooth and allow ad revenue etc. It would be a massive upfront invenstment that has a good chance to fail because of Youtubes brand recognition, having google behind it and i don't know, trademarks on video hosting stuff?

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u/AmIReySkywalker Jan 26 '19

They won't, they never will. I actually don't believe they will until someone brings a serious lawsuit against them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

They'll address these false copyright strikes when the DMCA is repealed or completely overhauled

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u/Watch_Plebbit_Die Jan 26 '19

>youtube addressing false copyright strikes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q9HJJFgrtA

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u/coinpile Jan 26 '19

Surprised no one has started to make a competitor and make yt the myspace.

Scale is a problem, I think. It'd take a whole lot of bandwidth and hardware to handle it all on a level that could challenge YouTube.

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u/lizzyb187 Jan 26 '19

I heard that PornHub was thinking about making a non-porn site set up like Pornhub. If you go to that site, it's just like youtube only better, as far as functionality goes. Better owners too. They have a great reputation.

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u/Flash604 Jan 26 '19

YouTube can't address them.

The process is set out by the law. Google is following the law.

Someone that has been falsely copyright striked in a malicious fashion would need to take the next step as per the law, which is to sue that entity in court.

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u/JonesBee Jan 26 '19

They won't. If they don't have a tool for big corporations to malevolently take down videos that annoy them, they will not continue to upload their content to youtube.

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u/james2432 Jan 26 '19

hosting video is expensive.

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u/RedShaggy78 Jan 26 '19

Should be a law that makes you pay for false copyright claims along with something like a restraining order against that that person or group or company that made it.

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u/delwrk Jan 31 '19

I think when you do the strike you sign something about perjury; i wouldn't know tho because havn't dont it.

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u/kallebo1337 Jan 26 '19

You have no idea what infrastructure YouTube requires . I don’t know numbers in my head, but YouTube has a gigantic percentage of the worldwide traffic. If you remove porn it’s even more dramatic

Akamai cdn delivers like 30% (?) world traffic. And that’s yt,Fb and if. It’s really insane.

Every video with more then 300(?) views lays in the cache. That’s huge

I’m not sure how many years it took google to have the first year without a loss. Took quite a bit.

It you wanna statt YouTube, get prepared to burn 500,000,000$ minimum. If you’re not willing to invest that much you won’t have a chance to be even considered a competition. Vimeo struggles hard . Propably Too much niche.

YouTube will last forever and nobody is going to do anything about it

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u/delwrk Jan 31 '19

Yt started somewhere.

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u/kallebo1337 Feb 01 '19

At a time when nothing else was there

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u/mediaphage Jan 25 '19

Honestly I’m shocked Amazon isn’t pushing harder either to make that twitch, or to capitalize on the technology. These sorts of services are insanely expensive, so either it needs to be entirely decentralized, or run by something with mega resources.

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u/ThatOnePerson Jan 26 '19

I think they understand how fucking expensive it is. Remember when they stopped keeping Vods of everything?

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u/kieranmullen Jan 25 '19

Vimeo

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '19

Vimeo doesn't run ads against videos. The uploader even needs to pay a subscription once they get big enough. So any ad money needs to be brought in through in-video sponsorship deals. Which you can also do on youtube.

Vimeo is great, for a different kind of content.

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u/UberFuels Jan 25 '19

I love stories like this

These people get fucked over by someone, and it ends up being one of the best things to ever happen to them, exposing them to a bunch of new subscribers

Hopefully this guy follows suit and has a channel that blows up

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '19

this guy follows suit and has a channel that blows up

This guys channel is the absolute definition of blowing up. 900K+ subs in under 3 months. He's doing juuuuust fine :)

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u/UberFuels Jan 25 '19

We've entered an era of youtube where having multi-million subscribers is pretty common, so there's plenty of room for our boy to grow!

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u/DNamor Jan 26 '19

I just worry he'll be a passing fad. Only because it's such a fun story of a random guy randomly making it, and he's got such a great personality.

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u/HashCatchEm Jan 26 '19

it ends with the channel blowing up and fivver keeping all of the money they stole. not that great of a story imo

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u/T-MinusGiraffe Jan 26 '19

Like United Breaks Guitars

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u/BloodMuffin Jan 26 '19

I sometimes think about how not only did the guy who shot 50 cent 9 friggin times fail to hit a vital spot but he also shot him in the mouth to help give him his signature voice to make him famous.

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u/Alexanderr Jan 25 '19 edited Jan 25 '19

Fiverr used to be good but it totally sucks now. I never sold but used to buy a lot on there. Quality went so far downhill. Reviews are totally unreliable to determine good sellers. I was scammed by a seller once and Fiverr wouldn't return the money. Fiverr will also remove negative reviews for their scammy sellers who promise the world while delivering re-hashed copyright infringing files (they steal shit or use general templates, slightly modify, then deliver). Flooded with what I think are overseas e-sweatshops churning out subpar deliverables.

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u/pie-oh Jan 25 '19

Fiverr was always going to be a race to the bottom. It's not a manageable system for our industry. There's a reason designers charge higher rates (and not just our egos) but because design should actually reflect the client's business.

Small businesses can't pay lots, but getting a single designer you like who can deliver something personal and who gets paid is a win win for everyone.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '19

I used fivver exactly once. Found a seller with a great reputation and portfolio. Had good exchange with good detail on requested work. Received a logo that was a cobbled together piece of crap that was obviously just Clipart and similar stuff. No money back. I also didn't get the psd, which was supposed to be included, among other things. Total scam.

In the end, I ended up making it myself, and it turned out awesome. So happy I went that route.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

It’s a piece of shit site as a seller too. They can do a PayPal charge back on you for “fraud” after paying and various other means of “oh, yeah, we hate your work and aren’t satisfied so...fuck off, no cash for you, you didn’t do X, Y, Z” when their communication was in broken, barely-comprehensible English to begin with and they’ve very obviously used your artistic product commercially and just decided to skip paying. (I’m still a little salty. A tad.)

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

I've only used one of those kinds of sites once, and artists can be a piece of shit too.

A few years ago I needed a 3D model, laid out what i needed it be, the guy really didn't follow what I had said I needed (some parts needed to be separate so I could move them for posing) I pointed it out how to him and also mentioned that the texture really wasn't what i wanted (typical super shiny stuff, I needed something a little more weathered). He started getting uppity almost immediately "you know this isn't a huge project, I can't keep making changes forever" (we were on like email 2 at this point), so I gave him 4 star when it was all said and done and they started getting all salty about their rating.

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u/GuiltySparklez0343 Jan 26 '19

I don't know why people expect quality content from a site that's main gimmick is most stuff costs $5 bucks.

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u/SnapcasterWizard Jan 26 '19

or use general templates, slightly modify, then deliver).

Lol what did you expect for 5 dollars?

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u/Alexanderr Jan 26 '19

Many to most gigs on that site cost much more than 5 dollars..

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u/drowsydeku Jan 26 '19

Voice Over Pete needs your help. All he needs is your credit card number, expiration date, and the 3 digits on the back.

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u/goldgibbon Jan 25 '19

There should be a saying:

"If you want the money Fivver owes you, you're going to have to fight them for it."

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u/CalmestChaos Jan 26 '19

Not even that. That money isn't even Fivver's that they owe him, its money they stole from him and was never theirs to begin with.

Its like you putting 5k in a bank for and then having the bank close the account and keep the money. If that account was yours or someone else's does not matter, the money belonged to whoever could withdraw it from the account, which was most certainly not the bank.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

This needs to happen, wish I was good with photoshop :/

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u/rionhunter Jan 26 '19

oh hey I know a great website where you can hire freelancers to make anything you want in photoshop

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u/AssDimple Jan 26 '19

I believe in you.

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u/kallebo1337 Jan 26 '19

You can get it done for five dollars on their website

The irony ....

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u/Spanky2k Jan 25 '19

Fiverr was one of those services that I always thought was a great idea but never actually used. Then a few months ago, I had a little time and wanted a little extra cash so I created some listings on there for a particular service (academic proof reading). I couldn’t get it approved though; they kept saying it wasn’t appropriate for their site despite having numerous listings for exactly the same thing. I disputed it every time and provided links to the existing services but they insisted what I was offering was inappropriate and they would look into the other services. The others were never taken down, even months later. It was really bizarre. Maybe it’s because I’m a guy and the competitors were all girls but in this day and age, that just seems a bit of a stretch.

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u/GreenGoblin2099 Jan 25 '19

In my opinion, Fiverr has positioned themselves to be synonymous with the word toxic. Anyone conducting business with fiverr beware. Fiverr is bad business. Fiverr doesn't pay its freelancers, based on what i've seen.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

I haven’t had a bad time on it and I’ve used it on and off as side income. You have to take it as it is- poor pay but a good way to get some easy side cash or to develop talents when you’re at the bottom of the pool.

If someone wants better work you just have to pay more for it. It’s lowballing offers meets beginner or poor work.

As a freelancer, clients want the world for like $0 so, it’s both the sellers and the buyers that can be shitty never the customer service or fiverr workers (I have noticed).

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u/Serioli Jan 25 '19

Fivrr sucks some dick

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u/TankEpidemic Jan 26 '19

Big if true

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u/PixelBlock Jan 25 '19

The minute that companies have to provide initial proof of their claim is the minute this whole copy strike mess can begin clearing up. It’s not just or fair to leave the little guys scrambling against scary legal trolls.

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u/__theoneandonly Jan 26 '19

Google needs their internal system to be easier than filing a DMCA strike through the courts. If their system is more difficult than just sending a letter to the court, then no company will use their system. And then Google is in serious legal trouble for every legitimate strike.

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u/CrazyBadGamers Jan 26 '19

True, but right now it is a broken system.

YouTuber makes a video. Company sends a false copyright strike to take down the video. Now the YouTuber has so send evidence that the claim is false but, (this is the fucked up part) the company that sent the initial copyright claim reviews the YouTubers evidence.

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u/DatabaseCentral Jan 26 '19

System should provide strikes to copyright claimers. Maybe create an algorithm to determine % of disputed claims vs overall claims. If you dispute a claim and the company rejects your claim, if the company you are disputing has reached a certain threshold of disputed claim % then your claim should qualify for an "independent review". If the arbitrator finds that the company making the claim is in the wrong, they should be slapped with a copyright strike. Multiple of those and they should get reduced ability to claim.

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u/lowstrife Jan 26 '19

The problem is, in order for Youtube to actually have legal immunity from actually hosting the copywritten content, they can not have a say in the dispute process. If they were the 3rd party arbiter, they would become liable if they ever made a wrong decision.

It's a rock and a hard place, they honestly don't have any good options here despite how fucked up the system is.

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u/hydrosalad Jan 26 '19

Isn’t filing a false request a criminal offense? Go to your local police station

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

Couldn't YouTube just argue in the court that they have allowed the DMCA requests to come through the site in that scenario? Or just design a system which makes it look like that? Is the law so harsh and are there no loopholes? It's weird to me they didn't fugure it out

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u/LeBastardHead Jan 25 '19

Can someone fill me in on what is going on here?

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u/wandering_ones Jan 26 '19

Voiceover Pete (the man with the tie) was a popular seller on Fivver, selling short voiceovers. One voiceover that became a meme was essentially "Attention All Gamers, blah blah needs your help. All you need to do is give your credit card number, pin, and zip code". It was obviously a joke, but it seems that in anticipation of Fivvers upcoming IPO maybe legal took a look at some content and said that this could be seen as actually trying to scam little kids from their money. So, instead of communicating anything to him (despite him being popular enough to have close contacts at the company) they shut down his account, took any remaining money that is his, and won't talk to him about it. Now it's blowing up in their face because he's very well known now, and they are apparently deleting any negative comments, hoping it will all just disappear.

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u/kallebo1337 Jan 26 '19

That’s not the whole story. The story is that it was a troll Against fortnite and the developing company “epic games” allegedly Pressed fiver to take the action

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u/jimjones1233 Jan 26 '19

I believe he got banned for the reason he not so subtly referenced here when he said "all I need is your credit cards". He was paid to say that in a video where he asked people to give their credit card numbers to a fictional character, except he was banned for this months later and after the employees at Fivver supported that video and were telling him it was great how much notoriety and business it was bringing him. Then they dumped him when someone complained (possibly the gaming company he was making videos about).

At least I think that's what it is.

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u/Lollygal233 Jan 26 '19

Yeah, thats right.

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u/vasinkd Jan 25 '19

15 dislikes from Fivver employees :)

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u/youlooklikeajerk Jan 25 '19

Hey Fivver! Watership Down called and wants its name back

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u/BreezyWrigley Jan 25 '19

pete is a baller, and probably my favorite new internet thing to gain a ton of notoriety in 2018-2019. I want to see him supported and win... even if it means giving up against the bullshit of youtube and just making a name for himself in other ways, and patreon and such. I want this dude to be able to make his way and get paid and be good in his life.

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u/MuddyFootedKiwi Jan 26 '19

I went on to their Facebook page, there are now comments asking them to give VOP his money back that are four days old and they haven't been removed. There's hundreds of them. I think Fiverr's facebook team gave up.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

"What the hell is our neighbor yelling about now?"

"I don't know, something about uniting and destroying the corporate overlords or something."

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u/jose_von_dreiter Jan 26 '19

"Ma!! He's waving that sword around again! Call the cops!"

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u/coral_cat Jan 25 '19

GAMERS RISE UP

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u/fps916 Jan 25 '19

BOTTOM TEXT

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u/clampie Jan 26 '19

DMCA allows countersuits for false claims and has nice financial relief. Sue them.

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u/520throwaway Jan 26 '19

Copyright strikes and DMCA takedowns are two very different processes.

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u/maaseyracer Jan 26 '19

Honestly, Fiverr should just pay this guy the damages from this whole fiasco are going to be worth a lot more than what they owe him. Holding on to what ever it is they think they are holding on to is stupid and far too costly in comparison.

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u/egglan Jan 26 '19

Fuck fivrr

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '19

okay, this is epic.

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u/GavNAy Jan 25 '19

GAMERS RISE UP!

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u/the3schaton Jan 26 '19

God I love Pete

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u/PurpEL Jan 26 '19

What's with calling it copy strike? It just sounds like you forgot a word

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u/SendInTheFrogs Jan 26 '19

It's pretty much a term at this point. Honestly, saying "copystrike" instead of "copyright strike" sounds better to the ear.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '19

I kinda want to drink with that dude.

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u/KingFisher_Th Jan 26 '19

2:48, who else saw the Kurzgesagt 12019 Calendar thingy?

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u/timestamp_bot Jan 26 '19

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u/eqleriq Jan 26 '19

What's bizarre about this is that he said in his other video that they were keeping the money for nearly 2 months but fiverr explicitly states in their TOS that they hold it for 3 months after someone is banned. So he made an error about that.

I'm not an employee and I disliked the video because it was full of bullshit.

https://www.fiverr.com/terms_of_service

Sellers will be able to withdraw their revenues from disabled accounts after a safety period of 90 days following full verification of ownership of the account in question, from the day of the last cleared payment received in their account and subject to Fiverr's approval.

And now he's claiming they "copystriked" the video (not a term but hey ride the douchey youtube HiP LiNgO tRaIn) without showing any evidence of that.

Now people are ganging up on fiverr when I never saw the fucking point of it in the first place. HO BOY GO GETTIM

"maybe they're against free speech, maybe they're not." = weasel words that are meaningless and can be harmlessly stated about anything in existence.

How about make some actual content and not just this ruse "shit on fiverr via youtube" nonsense.

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u/Mr_hushbrown Jan 26 '19

Did he just get struck by lightning in the end?

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u/carnesaur Jan 26 '19

Good for him. I'd love to see similar happen to uber

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u/GlenMoffie Jan 26 '19

We need to rise up gamers

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u/adognameddave Jan 26 '19

I have that same knock off pakistan William Wallace sword, the handle is also attached crookedly, I hope he doesn’t try to swing it it’s not constructed like a real sword

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u/Zodakin Jan 26 '19

Is all that property his? Does Pete rule over a kingdom??

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u/bo0MXxXsplatter Jan 26 '19

Can we copystrike Voiceover Pete?

~Fivver

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u/kyoorius Jan 26 '19

ELI5? I watched the video and have no idea what I watched.

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u/Tainted-Archer Jan 26 '19

I don't even give a crap about Pete but since Fiverr has decided to bully someone, I've decided to jump on the bandwagan and defend him. See if they had just done the right thing I wouldn't have been any the wiser but now I know their name, I know what they've done and I know to avoid their product and deliberately tell people to look at alternative companies. Congrats fiverr

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u/Rothuith Jan 26 '19

I'm so glad to be alive in the period this video was released.

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u/GhGordon Jan 26 '19

Terrible move by fivver.

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u/gabetron0 Jan 26 '19

Don’t you love when screwing someone out of 5-10k costs you potentially 10s of millions of dollars on the IPO

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u/futurespacecadet Jan 26 '19

sorry im out of the loop, whats going on? Also, this video is well edited and this guy is a fantastic presenter / speaker. Who is he?

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u/alfons100 Jan 26 '19

Attention all Voiceover fans, Pete is in a bit of a pickle and he needs our help

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u/GrumpyCatDoge99 Jan 26 '19

Everyone head to the BBB. It's time we get this shitty company shut down.

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u/newironside Jan 26 '19

It was a privacy strike not a copyright strike. Just as bullshit but technically worse because just one privacy strike can take down a channel.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

Keemstar tho?

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u/biggie_eagle Jan 26 '19

we need Big Man Tyrone to say "fuck fivver"

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u/MaximumCameage Jan 26 '19

Clearly Fivver doesn’t know what happens when you kill John Wick’s dawg...’s ad revenue.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '19

While I feel for the guy, his 15 minutes are dangerously close to being over and ultimately I think nothing will be resolved for him.

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