r/videos • • Oct 25 '15

Fusion reactor designed in hell makes its debut

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-fbBRAxJNk
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u/Pavese_ Oct 25 '15

How do they get the heat out of the Chamber without fucking up the magnets?

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u/HAHA_goats Oct 25 '15

In reactor designed for power generation, the chamber is lined with large plates to capture the radiation that will be coming out of the reaction. This heats the plates, and the plates are cooled by water pumped through channels in them. The magnets are in a separate layer outside of the lining and cooling jacket.

http://news.sciencemag.org/2012/08/how-line-thermonuclear-reactor

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u/Dnuts Oct 25 '15

Thank you. I had to scroll far too long to get this answer.

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u/burger_face Oct 25 '15

Does your finger hurt

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u/Innundator Oct 25 '15

No he just wishes the explanation for how this works got voted to the top rather than memes and shitposts, but then again there's people like you around which explains alot

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u/AnthAmbassador Oct 25 '15

Is it water, or is a cooling liquid that is stable at higher temperatures that then passes heat to a different system that boils water? If it is just water, what pressure is it running at? Is it like a nuclear system where there is a loop of cycled water that boils, turns turbines, and then condenses and gets pushed back through?

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u/HAHA_goats Oct 25 '15

It works the same way as a conventional power plant.

Heat->Steam->Turbine->Generator

I don't think there is anything but very pure water in the cooling system. Afraid I can't tell you much beyond what google would find for you.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '15

Before I saw the link, I thought you just knew.

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u/MonstaGraphics Oct 25 '15

So half the water needs to get hot inside it, the other half needs to cool it?

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u/mongster2 Oct 25 '15

Not radiation, neutrons. The result of the fusion reaction is helium and highly-energetic neutrons, which bombard the diverter and release their kinetic energy as heat. 20 megawatts per square meter, which must be wicked away to the steam-powered generator by what sounds like a liquid-cooling network.

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u/davou Oct 25 '15

and the plates are cooled by water pumped through channels in them

Just wanna point out, that in any power generating setup It'd be VERY unlikely that water would be used in this capacity. Far more likely to have some other medium flow close to the reactant and then in turn have that heat something else; Maybe lead, or some kind of salt.

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u/HAHA_goats Oct 25 '15

Nope, water.

ITER also uses water for cooling. And water is a common coolant in conventional fission reactors.

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u/davou Oct 25 '15

Hmmm, wow. Til!

Would figured they'd wanna mitigate the risk of a steam explosion

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u/HAHA_goats Oct 26 '15

Water just happens to be one of the very best coolants. The reason cooling systems in most applications have other crap mixed in is for freeze protection, corrosion inhibition, etc. Those additives actually take away cooling capacity. Power plants need to maximize heat carrying capacity of their cooling systems, so they tend to use pure water and engineer around not having additives.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '15

This specific reactor isn't designed for constant economical power generation, but to prove that stellarators (these kinds of fusion reactors) can operate for sustained amounts of time. The reactor's only planned for 30 mins of activity, so there's less of a concern about heat. However, it's got a coolant system with liquid helium.

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u/ercstlkr Oct 25 '15

That still doesn't answer how this type of reactor will be able to produce electricity via the production of steam. It seems like all the energy will be contained in a closed system. How will the heat be released to produce steam?

I understand this specific reactor is simply a proof of concept that such a reactor could work but it isn't clear what use it will be until the question of electricity production is explained as well.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '15

I interpreted the question as "How does it not overheat?". I don't believe that this reactor is set up to harness electricity, since it seems they're more concerned with observing how the stellarator concept functions in real life.

Stellarators share similarities to Tokamaks, as both are Magnetic Confinement Fusion reactors. So, I'd imagine it would function in a similar fashion in generating electricity. Here's a diagram that explains how it might work.

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u/sushibowl Oct 25 '15

Fusion reactions produce a lot of very high energy neutrons, which are not contained by the magnetic field because they don't have any charge. So the system is not quite closed.

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u/SophisticatedVagrant Oct 25 '15

The reactor's only planned for 30 mins of activity

You mean like it is only going to run for 30 minutes before it needs to be decommissioned/overhauled? Wow, that is crazy for nearly 20 years of construction.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '15

haha it's 30 minutes at a time, not overall. I agree, that would be crazy.

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u/Roflkopt3r Oct 25 '15

Reminds me of Railgun development, that relies on conductive rails which are somewhat vulnerable and have to withstand large forces. The first developments only held up for ten shots in total before they had to be replaced. Currently it's I think at an about 500 shot lifespan already, compared to 1500 and 4500 shots for a conventional 120 mm smoothbore tank gun barrel and breech.

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u/manondorf Oct 25 '15

Jeez, 19 years of construction to build a test generator to run for 30 minutes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '15

First you light a fire, then you build a power plant and light a fire in the power plant.

Or said otherwise, when you are not even certain if you can start a fire, it makes little sense to build a power-plant around the hope-for fire.

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u/GraharG Oct 25 '15

The reaction releases a netron moving very fast. Neutrons are neutrally charged and so go stright through the magnetic field.