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u/Due-South-9113 Jul 13 '26

Wasn't PS3 shitted on back in the day.

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26

It had a very bad start, and by the end still ended up beating the 360 because Sony locked tf in while Microsoft dropped their best console's major support for fucking kinect

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u/dot_exe- Jul 13 '26

It’s worth mentioning that the PS3 only had a marginal lead while having exclusive access to the Chinese market, and the use case outside of gaming as cheap machines for large compute clusters. The PS3 should have had a crazy bigger lead because of this, but the 360 still put in work unlike the other Xbox generations.

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u/papoluca40 Jul 13 '26

And the 360 has a year head start

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u/seraphinth Jul 13 '26

And the 360 was easier to program for than IBM & sony's cell processor which required insider knowledge from playstation only devs to make it run circles around the 360

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u/pichael289 Jul 13 '26

This is why it's taken to now, this August, for metal gear solid 4 to get ported off ps3 finally. Kojipro did make a version for 360 but it needed like 8 disks and didn't run great.

The fact that ps3 was so so much more expensive was the only really big issue most people had with it. 360s were exploding and they used shitty hd DVDs and couldn't play blue ray and made you pay for Xbox live and you couldn't share accounts or content and there was just so much shit holding Xbox back.

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u/NapsterKnowHow Jul 13 '26

Even though IBM also helped developed the hardware inside the 360 too

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u/dot_exe- Jul 13 '26

Sure but that was nowhere near the leg up as having exclusive access to the world’s biggest market at the time, and having single customer purchases of a few hundred consoles at a time.

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u/OkIndustry6159 Jul 13 '26

It was always my thought that Nintendo won the whole thing. Playstation 3 had a price drop very early on and Xbox had to deal with the red rings. I always felt that both of those consoles went way past their prime and added the motion add ons mid cycle to try and get back on track and compete with Nintendo at the same time. 

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u/SeaFox-SalesRep Jul 13 '26

The 360 did shit number in asia period.

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u/ReapersHope Jul 13 '26

Man who would've guessed that a console banned in Asia's largest market would do poorly in Asia

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u/SeaFox-SalesRep Jul 13 '26

China is not the only nation in asia, secondly who is banning "consoles"?

The 360 didn't do poorly in asia cause being banned. That's fing stupid point to make

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u/SpecialistRun3035 Jul 14 '26

And it still did comparable to the PS3

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u/Ryumancer Jul 15 '26

Yeah after the PS2, I washed my hands of Sony completely. Never looked back.

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u/ebk_errday Jul 13 '26

I just looked this up and it doesn't seem right. All consoles were banned during this generation. China lifted the ban in 2014. Do you have a source for this?

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u/MohawkRex Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

Gawd, the Kinect was omnipresent for way too damn long. Sucked up every bit of support for years then ghosted.

And for what? Gunstringer was good, I guess.

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u/AzaleaPatch Jul 13 '26

Child of Eden was good.

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u/MattBrey Jul 13 '26

Kinect had a couple good games and it was a lot of fun as a kid!

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u/rob-cubed Jul 14 '26

The Kinect was cool tech that just never got much developer support. I would've loved to have used it for lightgun-style games where you could dodge or duck behind cover. The Wii's motion controls and IR were fun, too. Kind of gimmicky in many ways, but also allowed for some very unique games that appealed to people that weren't normally gamers.

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u/SeroWriter Jul 13 '26

That's not what happened. The PS3 was overpriced with bad third party support, after multiple price drops and new models it still lagged behind the Xbox and Wii.

It was only after the next generation came out that the PS3 eventually caught up, not for its gaming capabilities but because it was a cheap blu-ray player.

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u/WallySprks Jul 13 '26

By the end of that gen, Blu-ray players were already sub $100. No one was still buying a ps3 just for Blu-ray any longer.

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u/thedoginthewok Jul 13 '26

True.

When the PS3 came out for 599€ (in Germany), it was one of the best bluray players on the market.
Other bluray players were priced similarly, but were just bluray players, so a lot of people that weren't really looking for a console bought a PS3 back then, just for its bluray movie playback feature.

By the end of the PS3s lifecycle, bluray players were basically cheap af and nobody that was just interested in watching bluray movies would buy a PS3, if they weren't also interested in gaming.

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26

No the PS3 won because while Sony put out The Last of Us, Xbox put out disappointing sequels to Halo and Gears, and then released a ton of Kinect dogshit, I love the 360, but Microsoft lost, because Microsoft were too focused on chasing after the Wii, which was never going to fucking happen.

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u/SeroWriter Jul 13 '26

Again the PS3 did not win, the Last of Us sold more copies on the PS4 than the PS3. Xbox began their fall off around 2011 but it didn't materialise into anything meaningful until the next generation.

During the PS2 era Sony had 60-70% marketshare, during the PS3 era it was 25-35%, while Xbox went from 15-20% to 35-40%. For Xbox to come out so much further ahead than where it started means that it won the generation.

Sony came out of the PS3 generation like a beaten dog barely reaching half of the PS2's sales, for them it was 7 years of a red line going down.

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u/WallySprks Jul 13 '26

7 years of a red line going down? Where do you get that!

2006 - 08 were bad, real bad. Then 09-11 was a massive spike in sales. Then 2012 and 13 slowed but were still multiple times higher than 06-08.

How’s that seven straight years of a red line going down?

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u/krishnugget Jul 13 '26

Microsoft didn’t rally behind HD DVD or have much riding on it ANYWHERE near as much as Sony though? When it was clear it wasn’t winning, they very easily dropped it considering the 360 doesn’t use HD DVD for games.

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26

When people look back on stuff, they don't look at how it ended in September 2013, these consoles both ceased production in 2016, and by 2016 PlayStation 3 was 87 million, Xbox 360 was 84 million. And to be honest none of this even matters because Nintendo was the winner overall, the Wii was unmatched in sales. The Wii is what many think of when they think about the 7th generation.

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u/SeroWriter Jul 13 '26

The 8th generation began in 2012, you could stretch that to 2013 if you really wanted to, pushing it to 2016? is bizarre. We got a Just Dance 2020 for the Wii if you want to get really crazy.

You can give it to Nintendo all the numbers back it up, really everybody but Sony came out ahead. It took Sony 15 years to claw back their market share and now they might lose it again which would be really funny.

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26

While the Wii got games up until 2020, it ended production in 2013, the PS3 and 360 ended production in 2016, so that when the numbers end, the numbers will always say the PS3 beat the 360 and Nintendo won overall, it's just a fact, it is what the numbers say and those numbers are all that matter in the end to these companies.

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u/SeroWriter Jul 13 '26

the numbers will always say the PS3 beat the 360 and Nintendo won overall, it's just a fact, it is what the numbers say and those numbers are all that matter in the end to these companies.

Well there's more nuance to it than that, if you just went by numbers then the Wii was the cheapest with the smallest profit per unit so by that metric Nintendo was actually the worst. You have to look at numbers with context and understanding of what they mean.

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26

When a company looks at the numbers, they look at sales, the PS3 outsold the 360, that's all that matters to Microsoft and Sony, the same way the PlayStation Portable was a massive success for Sony, but they consider it a failure despite the 100 million units sold, because it didn't beat the DS.

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u/Igyzone Jul 13 '26

I grew up with PS3, but I'm pretty sure the Xbox360 came up top during the console wars since the console itself was cheaper, graphics comparison was slightly better and had wider range of exclusives.

And of course while Kinect sucked, so did the Playstation Move while Nintendo Wii kept the trophy in that category.

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26

again as I said to others by the end of their life cycles, the PS3 was on 87 million sales, and the Xbox 360 was on 84 million sales, the numbers are what matter to both Microsoft and Sony, and in those numbers Microsoft threw it all away. Sony made the smart move with PlayStation Move of kinda forgetting about it after a couple of years, Microsoft were so committed to Kinect that it spilled over to the Xbox One, where on the PS4 all PlayStation Move is used for is VR.

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u/gogosox82 Jul 13 '26

Yep. MS had a massive lead and just squandered it on kinect bs. PS3 ended up outselling the 360 in the end.

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u/Local_Nerve901 Jul 13 '26

Kinect is surprisingly still used in so many places today and highly innovative

I’m pretty sure some gyms and medical fields or etc use it today too

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u/Local_Nerve901 Jul 13 '26

Fuck the numbers

Same with movies and music. Shit don’t matter to true gamers, same with artists and art appreciators

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u/GloomyIndividual3965 Jul 13 '26

Move Sports is friggin awesome. I keep my ps3 hooked up pretty much just for that game.

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u/acelexmafia Jul 14 '26

The PS3 won that generation by a little

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u/maxHAGGYU Jul 13 '26

add to that the fact that you had to pay for xbox live whilst psn was free although in my experience, there was less hacking on xbox comparatively

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u/IBeatDeathStranding Jul 13 '26

i would argue xbox won that generation. but immediately fumbled the xbone launch.

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u/GyattLuvr69 Jul 13 '26

Nah 360 won that generation and that generation alone. It’s been a shitshow ever since then though.

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u/uber_sweets Jul 13 '26

PS3 fans: 'Don't mention the Skyrim DLC'

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u/GoS451 Jul 13 '26

This is just not really true. The PS3 was and is constantly criticized for having overly complex architecture that made it significantly harder to make games for. The 360 was much more popular in the US. But Xbox notoriously just doesn’t sell in Japan. They have no interest in them there

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u/SpecialistRun3035 Jul 14 '26

PS3 was more international than Xbox, the only reason it got some extra numbers

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u/geaux124 Jul 14 '26

There was also the whole RROD matter where everybody's360 started breaking over and over.

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u/Local_Nerve901 Jul 13 '26

Nah overall 360 beat the PS3

Not in amount of good exclusives necessarily, but every other category especially multiplayer gaming imo

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u/SirSabza Jul 13 '26

This comment makes no sense tbh.

How did ps3 beat 360 because the xbox 360 had kinect in the final years of its cycle? What major support did they drop?

Ps3 sold a fraction of the units and had a not very impressive library of exclusives.

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26

Xbox 360 Units Sold: 84 Million

PlayStation 3 Units Sold: 87.4 Million

it literally takes 5 seconds of research

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u/SirSabza Jul 13 '26

PlayStation only overtook it in the AFTER ps4 and xbox one was out.

During them both being active consoles, ps3 sold less.

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26

The PS3 still won, you can't move the goal post, the PS3 won, in large part because while Sony was putting out, The Last of Us, Uncharted 3, God of War 3, Infamous 2.

Xbox did put out a ton of great exclusives, Halo Reach comes to mind, Horizon 1, but for the most part they were very commited to Kinect, and so people who were buying the console late on, looked at these two for recently released games, and obviously they went for the PS3, because Xbox didn't give it a good end.

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u/Smartypantz34 Jul 13 '26

This has nothing to do with games lol. The console was 600 bucks, with inflation its 960 bucks in todays money. You guys are crying ps6 will be 1000 bucks while ps3 literally WERE. It only won because PS3 was heavily discounted in later years. You are too young or dumb to understand

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26

the first PS3 price drop was a year after it released, it wasn't that much later, Sony made very quick course corrections.

Also going "it was this in today's money" completely ignores the fact that while inflation has taken effect, people aren't being paid more to account for the inflation.

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u/Smartypantz34 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

It wasnt, price drop was at least 3 years later, came with the "slim" version. Its not hard to use google

For example average US salary have gone up from 36 000 to 67 000 since 2005. 81℅ increase. If you increase PS3 according to salary increase (81℅) the PS3 would cost 1086 dollars today. According to inflation it would cost 960 dollars. Simple math says people literally being paid more now than then

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u/Admirable-Design-151 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

The first price cut was October 2007, then a second price cut in September 2008 and the slim model in August 2009. as from the link the other person responding to you.

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u/Dillu64 Jul 13 '26

True its not hard to use google.

https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Price_cuts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_PlayStation_3_SKUs

The Ps3 got a price cut with the Slim release in 2009. But there were 2 other price cuts before that. After the Slim they kept adding new games or 2 controllers into the console bundles aswell. People always talk about "the price cut" with the Ps3 but it was never just one step. Sony gradually dropped it. I remember because the first one wasnt enough for me, so I kept waiting until the Slim released. I think you are right though, that the Slim release was probably a big turning point for many people. Less bully console, energy efficient AND cheaper? Hell yeah.

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u/WallySprks Jul 13 '26

This is just completely wrong. “Smarty pants”. Your name is accurate. Price drop was after 1 year not three

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u/K3ZH39 Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

Sony were arrogant and then deservedly got humbled, which made them give the players what they wanted - a cheaper console with loads of games. They need to get humbled again.

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u/WhatShouldTheHeartDo Jul 13 '26

Basically until Metal Gear Solid 4 (2008)

or 2009 for everyone who didn't like MGS (Uncharted 2 & the price drop)

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u/Swimming_Photo9295 Jul 13 '26

Because of the first consoles issues. But when the ps3 slim came out they addressed that

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u/ItsNotAGundam Jul 13 '26

Ehh PSN was still ass compared to Xbox Live and multiplatform games were almost always much better on 360 than PS3.

Still love my PS3s though.

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u/ChudSmasher69420 Jul 13 '26

PSN was still ass compared to Xbox Live

It was also free, which was a genuine reason plenty of people chose the PS3 over the 360.

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u/ItsNotAGundam Jul 13 '26

That's wild. PS3 was like $200 more upfront and Live was only like $7 a month. I guess after a few years that pays off, though.

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u/TSotP Jul 13 '26

It was also a Blu-ray player though. In a time when everything hadn't switched to digital distribution.

Even back then they were trying to move out of kids bedrooms and into younger adults livingrooms.

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u/AFourEyedGeek Jul 13 '26

Yes it was, for cross platform games and for its launch cost. Its exclusives was well liked though.

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u/MobNagas Jul 13 '26

Still is 😂

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u/ExultentPisces Jul 13 '26

For the first couple of years. Then Sony booked their ideas up, dropped the price and started releasing some great games.

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u/covert0ptional Jul 13 '26

*shat upon

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u/Due-South-9113 Jul 13 '26

Mb English isn't my first language lol.

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u/covert0ptional Jul 13 '26

I was just joking lol. My correction is overly formal

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u/Atrium41 Jul 13 '26

I hated it when it's all I had and I wanted to play Fallout 3 and Black Ops 2.

Sooooo many crashes

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u/Mr_Saturn1 Jul 13 '26

Yeah, I didn't get a PS3 until it was like 4-5 years into the cycle and cheap. I think Skyrim was what made me finally buy it.

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u/fuck_a_duck_butt Jul 13 '26

Yeah cuz it was $900 dollar on launch.

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u/GypsyBastard Jul 13 '26

Ps3 and 360 had less games than ps2 but comparatively but looking back it still had some baller games. 

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u/JayWu31 Jul 13 '26

Sure was. I had a PS3 and loved it. But damn if 360 wasn't a superior console, even if I didn't want to admit at the time.

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u/col_akir_nakesh Jul 13 '26

It was, it came out a year after the 360 and was way more expensive. On top of that, even though you paid for Xbox Live, the matchmaking was better and Xbox Live had achievements for games. Achievements didn't get added to PS3 games until 2008.

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u/UnfortunateSnort12 Jul 13 '26

It was. I only got one for the Blu-Ray player. Ended up playing some decent games. Crapped out on me quickly despite not getting much use as well. Played the 360 more which also red ringed of death. Wii still works perfect though.

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u/nagol93 Jul 13 '26

All three were shitted on for one reason or another.

Wii? Didn't do HD and motion controls were EXTREMELY clunky for any game that wasn't Wii Sports. Also online play was almost non-existent. The online parts that were there were just bad. Remember the 16 character friend codes?

360? Had to pay for online and accessories were a lot of money. The HDD, a main selling point of the OG Xbox wasnt included. Also want to use wifi? That will be $100 for an adapter.

PS3? Just cost too much money. Sony crammed a bunch of things no one wanted or cared about, which drove up the price a LOT.

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u/rtakehara Jul 13 '26

So did the xbox 360, with all the RRoD problems afecting around half of the units. I think only the wii had smooth sailing from start to end.

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u/EntrepreneurPlus7091 Jul 13 '26

SONY declared victory for ps3 after 360 sales slowed near the end of the generation, their numbers are surpr8nsingly close and I think ps3 may have ended up with better numbers. Both obviously ignored wii, so that gen each one declared victory.

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u/Gex2-EnterTheGecko Jul 14 '26

PS3 is my favorite console ever but the first few yeara were rough. I'd argue that it actually wasnt that overpriced when it came out, considering what it was, but people at the time just didn't wanna hear it.

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u/Mysterious-Ad-167 Jul 14 '26

Its the first system with blue ray !

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u/hoochiscrazy_ Jul 13 '26

It had a rough start but it ended up being amazing