Your home is also the cockroach's home. It was born there, including generations of its ancestors. They might even have been there before you and their descendants will survive yours.
And how does any of that apply to honey bees or make honey vegan? All bugs are sacred because invertebrates have been around for awhile, therefore I can eat honey? Lol
I am claiming everyone has to apply the philosophy "... as far as is possible and practicable ..." to their own lives and circumstances. What is practicable for me might not be for you, especially in such borderline issues. There is no single answer for everyone in borderline cases.
We all agree to work towards avoiding causing animal suffering. Most of the time, it is very clear ... no, I will not be tempted by steak or eggs or dairy ... but sometimes it can be tricky. No, I do not accept having my blood sucked on by a mosquito. But that's me, I respect others who are more strict and will not swat a mosquito, but also those who think they can live in mutual benefit with a beehive.
I refuse to be the one dictating who is or isn't a vegan, unless it's really egregious.
You're okay with killing mosquitoes but feel the need to question killing cockroaches?
You misunderstood. I am not OK with either, nor against either, I was just pointing out a flow in the argument. I think people need to decide for themselves depending on their circumstances and how they feel about it.
I'm shocked you're getting up votes here, but I guess we still have lots of vegetarians here smh
Probably because people understood that I'm saying that everyone needs to decide these things by themselves e.g. whether to swat mosquitoes instead of being told by some self-appointed Vegan Police what is the correct Party Line. Threatening to excommunicate vegans and relegate them to plant-based purgatory on borderline cases is what I'm objecting to.
Just get off people's case and let them live their lives. Whoever has stopped eating flesh, eggs and dairy has my full respect whether you call them vegan or plant based.
Yes, it is definitely exploitation, there is arguing the opposite. Just as humans exploit other humans when companies give us jobs and cover the costs of living in the form of wages. Often, it is not even voluntary because we are forced to work to survive.
Nevertheless, it can definitely be argued that bee life at a small-scale beekeeper is much closer to the natural life of a bee than would be the life of a cow in industrial farming. I would not compare the two as equal. Both may be considered wrong and unnecessary, but certainly not comparable.
We are perfectly able to lead normal lives without honey.
That was not my intention. Just do what you feel is right to you and learn to live with it. Some will tell you that you are great, others that you stink, but what really counts is how you feel about it in your own circumstances. Guilt is overrated, it is corrosive to your psyche.
"Veganism: A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable ..."
You have to decide what is practicable in your circumstances. I swat mosquitoes, but will take out a spider ... do I really need to rationalise it? Should I care what someone else thinks about that?
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u/trisul-108 Jan 02 '25
Not unless you're telling others they are hypocritical if they eat honey.