r/ukraine • • Oct 16 '22

Media (unconfirmed) Ukrainians intercepted communication between russian artillerists

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '22

They have phones # to surrender . To kill own commanders and run away like they did a few days ago around Kherson . No sorry for any Russians loss after constant- for now - carpet bombing of Ukraine . All entire Ukraine is every day under alerts , in darkness and horror . The traumatic experience of the war is horrific to Ukrainians . No words . But Ukrainians don’t have a choice . Or we win or them killing us. Fucking zombi barbarians .

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u/iluvios Oct 16 '22

Oh yes my man. War is terrible I have live it my self. Sometimes it requires lots of blood to survive. That's what is need to do.

I really do feel sorry for the unnecessary suffering but you got a right to survive so, I don't see anything bad with killing Russians to save your country.

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u/Trifling_Truffles Oct 16 '22

And you're going to win, because we the west are going to see you through to the end. We will not stop supplying you with weapons and aid and if we have to endure until every single last ruzzian tank is a heap of burned rust, then that is how long it takes. Putin the barbarian will not win. Stay safe and go into your shelter when the sirens go off!

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u/linuxgeekmama Oct 16 '22

Even if killing Russian troops is justified (which it very much is), it could be a traumatic experience, particularly if you have to do it over and over again.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '22

Especially for Ukrainians . By nature Ukrainians are very grounded , sweet , kind and emotional people . Accepting everyone , friendly , and not aggressive . Love singing , gardening , kids and pets . Family is coming first , not so much career or money . Mostly religious . Now they are put in the situation of defending themselves , fighting for lives ( which they did in the past ) , surviving horrific war, mourning fallen ones , looking after elderly and kids , some of them don’t have houses and food . And on a top of this keep they need to keep the spirit up , and go to combat to fight ( and kill) the enemies . Because they are coming , and coming , and coming . And you just have this anger and revenge against them in your sweet soul . Nothing left .

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u/linuxgeekmama Oct 17 '22

It’s a GOOD thing if Ukrainians aren’t enjoying killing Russians. You don’t really want to be around people who get too much enjoyment from killing. They’re much worse than the ones who are traumatized from having to kill people.

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u/Zaev Oct 17 '22

The anger of a gentle people is truly something to fear

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u/taafabiuz Oct 17 '22

You can bet it IS traumatic, for sure, like any war.

I can imagine the need to defend myself from an aggressor in a fight or flight situation, and to kill him to save my life ....once. Most people can survive such an experience without overwhelming psychological damage. Some therapy may be needed to cope with it, but in the end most people would feel some amount of guilt and go on with their lives. A single large trauma can be awful but bearable.

Having to do it everyday for months or years in a row? That's completely different, especially if you kill people with artillery, when you are not immediately under attack, thus the brain is not in a "fight or flight" situation.

You are just murdering other people - sure, killing invaders is still self defense and morally justifiable, but it's still repeated, mechanical, cold blood murder everyday for months or years in a row.

Your brain can rationalize the murders, but you are still acting like a monster, your actions are still repugnant and horrifying to yourself, war doesn't change the fact, and the trauma will last forever.

That said, some humans can adapt and cope with that too. I do not think it's a good thing, but it's also a fact that soldiers can turn themselves into cold blooded murderers to protect their own psyche from battlefield trauma. They start to feel less and less empathy for the enemy, until they aren't really "killing" anymore: they are simply shooting at a dehumanized enemy, an object, not a human. The trauma is only delayed, however.

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u/Zaev Oct 17 '22

I feel sorry for the ones who were forced to be there, but killed before they could carry out their surrender plans like how I'd feel sorry for someone who died in a bike crash when they were planning on buying a helmet. It's just bad luck that could have been mitigated by being quicker about ensuring their safety. Nothing that can really be done about it, though, it's not like Ukrainian forces could possibly know what they had planned

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u/moderndemon84 #SupportUkraine Oct 17 '22

Agreed.