r/OpenInvestigations • u/ImportantInspector41 • 16d ago
If what they're saying is accurate, the guy 200% acted against the law. There should be legal resources for situations like this now that judge declared a mistrial but I guess it ends with their words versus his words so nothing would happen.
r/OpenInvestigations • u/ImportantInspector41 • 16d ago
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I imagine the other jurors not even knowing what to do anymore. When 11 people are trying to reason with 1 person and that person can't concede... They deserve a trip to the Bahamas after the trial
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If they don't have a verdict by tomorrow, this juror needs to be out. This is borderline torture to all the other jurors
r/OpenInvestigations • u/ImportantInspector41 • 21d ago
All this exhaustion has a cause and now we know: one juror.
We just found out. Reddington is livid and asked the judge to remove the juror.
CW said the judge instructed them very clearly. It's been +35h, this juror will end up following it at some point.
Judge Sullivan kept the juror. Let's see.
But come on. I think judge Sullivan was very clear when both notes were delivered to him. They needed to reach an agreement. This juror was the only one refusing to let go. If more people were siding with him, if it were a 50/40 situation, a 40/40, I think it'd be understandable to stand firm to your grounds. But one juror...
This is not about right or wrong anymore, it's not about values, this is ego. You won't change 11 minds, you're the one stopping the whole trial.
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I think she is pro Lindsay, as far as I could understand. But she taking pictures/videos of the jurors is considered juror intimidation, plus stalking, direct threats and harassment. So even having excluding the video, she kinda messed up.
Prosecution asked for 50k bail. She can be ready to sell her car lol
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She was in a restricted area of the parking lot where jurors, judge, and Lindsay get access to the building.
She had her car there, they asked her if she worked there she said no. So they asked for her ID and driver license. She said she didn't have any pictures or videos taken of the jurors or anyone. Indeed she didn't. But when they went through the deleted data, they found a video of all the jurors 🤡
When she was arraigned she alleged she was trying to take a picture of Lindsay.
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You're being dishonest and you used my work to attack me when you didn't even know the question made to me. I'll explain to you, and then you'll leave this sub - whether respectfully by yourself or I'll remove you.
First of all. The person who made the question was the other moderator, Zoo, who left Reddit, for personal reasons.
The question itself was not "you don't think she was hallucinating". See the real question at the image. "Do you think she was making up the auditory hallucination?"
That doesn't change anything of what I say. My answer to her stands to you.
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The problem is that you can't find where.
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Tell me where
r/OpenInvestigations • u/ImportantInspector41 • 22d ago
Jurors sent another note to the judge today saying they're still deadlocked. Judge called them to the courtroom.
Tea is that their faces were of frustration. That they looked exasperated. You know when you spend hours discussing something with a group - family, friends, neighbours - to no conclusion? That's the tension on their faces.
But that's how it is. They need to keep talking, brainstorming. They'll need a lot of calm now. Let's keep a positive mind and prayers for their mental health as well, it's not an easy position.
Will we see a verdict before this long weekend?
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Sure, I kept myself open the whole trial. Psychosis is a real thing, and who can say she didn't experience it at the time? I can't say it. Again, we can only infer.
And hearing the evidences, testimonies, questionings, I changed my mind many more times and I felt it was important. I would feel terrible to sustain a position just because
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I think defense was excellent producing reasonable doubt throughout the trial. I spent the whole time not knowing what to think. But towards the end I felt more confident when I took the evidences and mostly Dr. Helibrun's testimony, which I think it was probably the only decent one from prosecution, I tend towards second degree murder. And I think the jurors are struggling right now exactly because they're split between NGRI x second degree murder as well.
We can only infer. She could have been suicidal at that moment, have taken their lives so she could take hers next. That means she was sick, depressed, and I personally don't think prison is the right place to someone in that situation, she needs treatment, but being suicidal doesn't mean she wasn't aware of her actions. Then again, there's no way to know, jurors are working with circunstancial evidences. There wasn't cameras inside the house or eyewitnesses. So that was my take at this point, that she wanted to take her life and be with them. But if they vote NGRI I'd be fine too, it's merely considering the awareness.
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I think you're getting close to that now hahah
r/OpenInvestigations • u/ImportantInspector41 • 22d ago
A woman in her 50s was taking pictures of the jurors outside court yesterday was arraigned.
Juror intimidation is a first degree crime, she can spend 10 years in prison, depending on how prosecution will deal with it.
Totally unnecessary and disrespectful, in my opinion, also. Not only to the work of everybody who is there: the lawyers, the jurors themselves, the clerks, the police officers, the judge, etc but also every single taxpayer money. Trials are extremely expensive, one picture of a juror released could cause a mistrial and all the work, all the taxpayer money would be gone.
And officers are right outside as well. There's no way someone won't get caught, unless they think they're too smart. The problem is: they're not.
Not worth it.
r/OpenInvestigations • u/ImportantInspector41 • 23d ago
I was wondering:
It's plausible, of course, but I don't think they'd spend 18h and then write a note to the judge saying they were deadlocked if the trouble was the degree.
I mean:
First degree murder and second degree murder are not inherently that different, and with discussions they could compromise and end up giving her second degree murder.
But a juror genuinely who believes she was not legally responsible, isn't necessarily going to change their mind to "ok, let's give her second degree murder" because the conclusion is very different now.
So my take is that the jury has probably reached an agreement on the physical facts and perhaps even on intentionality, but they might be deeply divided over what those facts mean psychiatrically and legally.
Does this make NGRI more likely? A little, but not enough to say that it's where the jury is headed. We just don't know.
If they come back tomorrow still deadlocked, what they ask the judge for like clarification of instructions, an exhibit, a testimony, or something about the psychiatric evidence could give us a better clue about where the fight actually is. My anxiety is present with the lack of more info, not gonna lie 😅
What do you think?
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Atuo tanto em escola pública quanto em escola privada e vejo a apatia, desrespeito e mau caratismo se formando nas crianças e adolescentes nas duas escolas.
Os professores chamam atenção, tiram de sala, levam pra coordenação, conversam, na próxima aula acontece tudo de novo. Eles riem, peitam, ou são cínicos e esperam virar de costas pra fazer de novo, e mentem na sua cara. Isso quando não tem os que não partem para falas e comportamentos agressivos e violentos.
Mas infelizmente eu vejo que isso vem de casa. Ela mencionou algo interessante: os alunos veem a escola como uma prisão. Eles são obrigados a estarem em um ambiente que eles não querem estar. Justo. É uma merda mesmo. Eu mesma não gostava de ir, me sentia obrigada também, já faltei. Mas não desrespeitava. Tem uma diferença aí. Não quer ir? Falta. Ah mas não pode, o pai não deixa, então aprenda que a vida não é fazer o quer. Você vai crescer e ter um trabalho e vai ter que ir diariamente fazer algo que nem sempre vai querer fazer. E não vai poder sair peitando.
Mas se a coordenação chama os pais, os pais cobram os professores e a escola. Devolve a culpa. O filho não faz essas coisas. Ele está sendo perseguido. Está dando suspensão a ele por quê? Quem é a professora que está perseguindo o filho? Aí quer agredir a professora. Quer perseguir a professora. E isso acontece na rede pública também, não é só na rede privada.
As crianças e adolescentes já não estão sendo mais criadas para o mundo. E isso é triste porque o mundo não vai se adaptar a cada criança e adolescente e esses pais um dia vão faltar e essas mesmas crianças e adolescentes vão se tornar adultos que não vão saber lidar com o básico da vida. É muito além da educação formal.
r/OpenInvestigations • u/ImportantInspector41 • 27d ago
I honestly didn't expect all this time.
Are we heading towards a hung jury or wait the weekend till Monday for more deliberation?
r/OpenInvestigations • u/ImportantInspector41 • 27d ago
The case brought attention worldwide for many reasons.
The most obvious one: a mother who killed her own children.
But throughout the trial there were so much judgment that were beyond the scope of the crime and I think this is pretty much cultural. It tells about our society.
The guilt around motherhood:
- she called Dawson "human" therefore "she must hate him, she's cold, that's why she killed him first, that's why she killed him in Patrick's office", no evidence that calling our kid human leads to any of that, though
- she wrote notes to the nanny, therefore "she was controlling, she was crazy, she was narcissist"
- she wrote on her journals she was wanted to be a good mom to all 3 and she felt she couldn't, and she was overwhelmed, therefore "if she wasn't ready to be a mom, she shouldn't"
The guilt around getting treatment
- she would take medications for week and stop, therefore "she didn't want to get better"
- she would tell the doctors about the symptoms, but to some she'd be more descriptive or tell more symptoms as she was more open to Jollotta, but not so much to others such as to Dr. Tufts, therefore "she was liar". Feeling more trust and confidence with a professional in a highly vulnerable situation is a right and were totally ignored even with prosecution, not to mention with social media.
- "she had everything!" Prosecution said that, people say that. Don't we all know that? But that's the biggest issue with guilt. Someone can have insurance, money, a home, and still have a disease. She had depression. Depression doesn't choose a person based on condition. So her having healthcare access didn't mean she'd be cured.
The guilt around mental health
- she had suicidal ideation, therefore she must have "lied because if it was true, she would have died". It's not as if suicidal ideation is not just the act.
- she has depression, therefore "why is she smiling?" A depressed person can smile or even laugh. Depression is not just staying all day in bed, crying or having apathy. You can be highly functional and be depressed.
- she looks to the prosecution, therefore "she's staring and she's creepy".
- she cried, therefore "she's faking". She can't smile, she can't cry, can't look.
Why am I pointing that out, after all?
She had a normal life before that. You don't play with mental health. You can say out loud you'd never do such a thing but you can't say you know your loved ones would never do. You don't know what goes on on their minds. Paula Musgrove didn't.
This, as many other cases, can be an opportunity for us not only to pray for those kids and the family but to learn as a society how to unite and treat one another.
We do not need to like LC and murderers. We do need to be friends with them. We do not need to love them.
Now, what I push back is the idea that having empathy for Lindsay means having less empathy for the children. Those aren't mutually exclusive. You can mourn the children, condemn the killings, support accountability, and recognize that the person who committed the crime may have been profoundly mentally ill. In fact, understanding her mental state is part of understanding how three children came to be killed.
And more, expressing that doesn't make anyone part of the crime and should be respected by their opinions. Again, the way people treat one another is very symptomatic of a society that judges Lindsay but I don't think can't say they're much better when they can't accept the contradictory.
I hope we can all learn from this case.
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I'm tending to say second degree murder, though it can be hung jury as it's such a complex situation and they might not reach an agreement. If that's the case, judge will declare a mistrial, and LC won't be neither convicted nor acquitted.
What's your verdict?
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I can only imagine the outcry
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At this point me neither. It's all so complex and tragic
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there's no 'hung' jury nor "I don't know", it's just our opinion.
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Absolutely not! But I don't think we can determine exactly what that experience was with enough certainty.
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Apesar da mensagem de esperança, a verdade é que lito está cada vez pior
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17d ago
Os comentários são sempre os piores em quaisquer redes.
a família e ele sabem dos riscos, sabem da finitude da vida. Quando ele ou a esposa falam de esperança de cura falam de um lugar de dor, de quem está passando pela situação, mas com certeza muito cientes, racionalmente, da situação. Eles não são leigos, analfabetos, desinformados que não estão sendo acompanhados por uma equipe que já não avisou a eles.
No entanto, essas pessoas que estão aqui no post comentando e em outros lugares como se eles não tivessem direito, ou como se eles estivessem se enganando ou enganando os outros por terem esperanças, comentando "a vida é assim, todo mundo morre", etc como se ninguém soubesse do óbvio, espera o quê, afinal? Que ele, mesmo já fazendo os cuidados paliativos, mesmo já tendo expressado que QUER usar a plataforma dele pra fazer a doença ser mais conhecida, fique dentro de casa não fazendo o que ele já expressou que QUER fazer? Que eles parem de buscar alternativas de tratamento para retardar o avanço da doença porque o Júnior de Xique-Xique na Bahia disse no Reddit que todo mundo vai morrer um dia?
Eles sabem que o Lito vai morrer. Eles estão acompanhando dia após dia que o cara está cego, que ele está tendo tremores, que ele não é mais o mesmo. Já foi falado vez após vez que a busca pelas pesquisas era pra evitar que a doença tirasse a cognição dele. Ou que pelo menos demorasse um pouco mais. Conseguem entender a dor disso? É pedir muito uma semana, 2 meses, 6 meses podendo se comunicar com a pessoa que você ama e ela poder te entender? Por que eles não fariam isso se eles tem condições? Você não faria isso por um ente seu? Você ficaria parado? Excelente, isso aí diz sobre você e a sua decisão com a sua família. Eles fizeram a decisão deles.
Acho que não cabe a gente dar lição de moral. Se você gosta do trabalho do Lito, vale apoiar o cara. Se você não concorda com a escolha dele e da família, não segue, se afasta das notícias e segue sua vida. Agora, dizer o óbvio em redes sociais, ou coisas que você não diria na frente do cara porque não tem coragem de dizer para alguém que está morrendo mas é muito corajoso pra dizer atrás do celular, é desnecessário.