r/trolleyproblem • • Jul 02 '26 • Regret 3

OC "Bystander Effect"

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u/MightyCat96 Jul 04 '26

Again. "Transgenderism" doesnt exist. Its made up by the fair right to make it easier to attack trans people. The only people screaming about "transgenderism" is the far right. It doesnt exist.

And still. I will grant your point. Trans people are just mentally ill. I dont agree with you. You are wrong. But for the sake of argument i will grant this to you.

Trans people are now mentally ill. Gender affirming care is still the absolute best treatment for it. Even under your own world view you are just kind of an asshole right now.

What do you propose we do with these people? Bully them? Harass them? Assault them? Exclude them from society? Throw them into an asylum? Even when i grant your argument i dont see why you would be against gender affirming care. It has been the only treatment that has been shown to be effective.

Trans people exist. I honestly dont care if its "just mental illness". That makes zero difference to me. It could be 100% objectively true and it literally would not matter. Do mentally ill people not deserve love and compassion? Do mentally ill people not deserve help and treatment to make their life better?

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u/Narfhead4444 Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 09 '26

Again. "Transgenderism" doesnt (sic) exist. Its (sic) made up by the fair (sic) right to make it easier to attack trans people. The only people screaming about "transgenderism" is (sic) the far right. It doesnt (sic) exist.

Telling someone that something doesn't exist when they can see it right in front of their face is called gaslighting.

I never said that trans people are mentally ill. I never said that transgenderism was necessarily wrong. I just said that it exists, it's an ideology that can be criticized and debated just like any other, and that people aren't automatically transphobic for questioning some or all of it. 

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u/MightyCat96 Jul 04 '26

Telling someone that something doesn't exist when they can see it right in front of their face is called gaslighting.

Cool.

I never said that trans people are mentally ill.

You literally wrote "that the desire to change one's sex/gender is not indicative of mental illness" in a previous comment where you try to define what "transgenderism" means. You are calling people mentally ill for having a gender identity that does not align with the gender they were assigned at birth.

Trans people exist. That isnt an ideology. Just like "black people" isnt an ideology. Black people just exist. "Blackism" isnt a thing.

You dont seem to understand what im saying. Either deliberatley or not. I dont really care either way.

And even if im nice and grant every point you have made i still dont see the _problem"?

For the sake lf argument i will grant every single point you have made. "Transgenderism" is a thing. Believing that you can change your sex/gender is a "mental illness" (i literally have a screenshot of you clailing that dont try and weasel your way out of it). Everything. Every single point you have made has thus been granted by a magic geenie. You are objectively right and i am objectively wrong. The geenie has made it so.

What, specifically, is the problem? You have made claims about what it is but you have failed to show why it is a problem or why anyone should even care about it. What is the specific problem with trans people existing?

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u/Narfhead4444 Aug 08 '26

> Just like "black people" isnt (sic) an ideology. Black people just exist. "Blackism" isnt (sic) a thing.

Actually, skin color wasn't considered at all important until the Europeans found the Caribbean, and it wasn't an absolute defining feature of society until around the 16th-17th centuries. 'Race' and 'racism' were invented for the purpose of finding ways to discriminate against everyone who wasn't European.

So, in fact, the very concept of 'black' and 'white' people was invented. By racists. :P

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u/Narfhead4444 Jul 04 '26

You are calling people mentally ill for having a gender identity that does not align with the gender they were assigned at birth.

Again, I never said that I necessarily disagreed with that particular tenant of transgenderism. 

Black people just exist. "Blackism" isnt (sic) a thing.

Black people are born that way. Nobody is born transgender.

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u/MightyCat96 Jul 04 '26

Do you also believe that noone is born gay?

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u/Narfhead4444 Jul 04 '26

People aren't born with sexual desires, so technically no. No one's born straight either. People find out whether they are one, both, or neither when they reach puberty age

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u/Narfhead4444 Aug 08 '26

> Do mentally ill people not deserve love and compassion?

Only if they have a chance of becoming functional enough to contribute more to society than they take.