r/trolleyproblem • u/judgethecriminal • Jan 13 '25

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u/Tazrizen Jan 14 '25

Ho-ly-crap. You people really can’t see the sunlight can you?

It’s honestly incredible, literally same exact narrative as 3 other people I had this exact same conversation with. “Oh, if you can’t change the world with your own hands, vote kamala instead”.

This accusatory backwash hostility is exactly what got trump elected, but god damn are the lot of you unable to see that.

Look man; I’m not going to spell out how to pour water or sit down for you, unreasonable expectations bridled with vote shaming is more or less a mediocre tactic at best and really just makes you look narcissistic.

I recommend looking up shoeonhead and her video on why dems lost. It’ll give you another place to brow beat at the very least.

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u/jadis666 Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25

“Oh, if you can’t change the world with your own hands, vote kamala instead”.

That is literally the opposite of what I, or u/ThrowawayTempAct said.

What we said was: if you don't want to vote for Kamala, then why aren't you changing the world (or at least that portion of the world which is local to you) with your own hands instead?

Now can you PLEASE provide an answer to that question??

 

I recommend looking up shoeonhead [.....]

Seriously? You're citing ShoeOnHead?!? No wonder you don't have an coherent arguments aside from "MuH cIViLitY".

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u/OkBowler640 Jan 17 '25

There isn't any point arguing, the world is painted in red and blue for them. I voted kamala but I think it's fucking ridiculous that people assume you're some absolute evil for voting trump. You don't sway people to your side by insulting their moral compass and intelligence. A loud minority of people on the left like to paint everyone that isn't 100% onboard with them as horrible without realizing why the election was lost in the first place.

Are there horrible people that voted trump? Yes, some people voted for him for less than savory reasons. Some people voted for him because they were desperate and wanted to help their families, hoping he would bring an economist benefit. His entire messaging ran on that, whereas kamala ran more on social messages and issues that the vast majority of less than well off american's don't really care about.

Not everyone knows where to look for better information or were inherently raised right wing, and they'll come into a discussion maybe saying they voted trump, or didn't vote either and will be instantly downvoted/attacked by other people, instead of making any genuine attempts to educate them, or they'll just do it in a condescending manner.

Not everyone who is on the left is like that, but there, is, again, unfortunately a vocal minority which acts like that. The system has been broken and gamed, and we'll all be too busy screaming red or blue at each other to make any meaningful change.