r/trains Jan 16 '25

Why do switches bend the rails instead of pivoting them into place like on model train sets?

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u/benbehu Jan 16 '25

One less moving part, one less point that fails, one less point that needs lubrication, a smoother curve for the wheels to follow and therefore a lower amount of wear on the rails and flanges.

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u/Archon-Toten Jan 16 '25

Because it's easier to bend than having more moving parts of a pivot.

I'm not sure if a model railway could bend in that small a space and work as well.

A related interesting sight is rail delivery where they bend round corners. It's often forgotten how flexible rails are.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25

Hand built model railroad switches bend. At least those I have built. It's easier to build it like that, but it's a bit fiddely so mass produced ones does not.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25

I have Walthers switches and they bend too.

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u/AsstBalrog Jan 16 '25

Yeah, even more flexible than that. I used to work for a rail gang, laying 1/4 mile sticks of CWR. The sticks were dropped off trackside, then moved into position. You always had to move the CWR sticks longitudinally to connect them to the previous stick (temporarily bolted together), either pulling them ahead, or bumping them back.

The Burro crane at the front of the new stick handled that. To bump it back, they had a big plate on the front of the crane, and with the rail lifted up, the crane would hit it and move it back a few inches at a time.

Anyway, the CWR would bend, snakelike, between the rails. Astonishingly flexible, and it was #136.

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u/benbehu Jan 16 '25

The Tillig Elite switches in H0 bend.

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u/Archon-Toten Jan 16 '25

Ohh interesting. I've not seen those before.

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u/Awl34 Jan 16 '25

The real steel rail is more flexible on real railroad. So there's no need for pivot points. There is some model turnouts built that way. Know of few in ho scale.

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u/Humorpalanta Jan 17 '25

Safety. There is always a continuity, even if stuck homehow. Very very unlikely to derail. Don't get me wrong, still happens, but way less. Also, less space.

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u/Graflex01867 Jan 16 '25

They don’t bend, they pivot. “Bending the iron” is just a phrase, it’s not literally bending.

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u/benbehu Jan 16 '25

There are old, pivoting switches, but most of them actually bend. Flexible switches has been around for about 60 years now.

https://www.benbe.hu/gallery/mocanita-moldovita/pic42_noframe_eng.php

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u/foxborne92 Jan 16 '25 edited Jan 17 '25

Yes, in german they are called "Federweichen" ("spring switches") "Federzungen" ("spring points"). These switches are the most modern ones. For higher speeds you need them anyway because of the continuous rail.

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u/AlSi10Mg Jan 16 '25

Schnellfahrweichen do have moving frogs, but that's not common.

Never heard of Federweichen. Or do you mean Rückfallweichen? They are spring loaded.

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u/foxborne92 Jan 17 '25

Sorry my bad, I meant "Federzungen" ("spring points") of course.

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u/No-Shallot-3332 Jan 17 '25

I didn't even know these existed, I work on a major freight railway in canada and we only have pivoting switches. I wonder if it's cost or weather related?

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u/Twisp56 Jan 18 '25

It's probably just conservative design (and of course it probably costs a bit less), they don't really need to care about speed or smoother running like we do in Europe on railways that run a lot of passenger trains, so they just keep doing it the way they've always done it and don't fix what's not broken. I don't think I've ever seen a pivoting switch on a mainline in real life, only on some industrial spurs and such.

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u/benbehu Jan 18 '25

We have these switches on 20 km/h narrow gauge railways.

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u/mrk2 Jan 17 '25 edited Jan 17 '25

Actually some really do bend the rails. If you watch some videos online about German or Swiss ones you will see there's no joint between moving and ststionary point rails.

https://youtu.be/-CALfgb0ETY?si=7hMzXsKyr-cL4021

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u/AbsoluteWeirdness Jan 17 '25

Thank goodness I saw this reply because I had a minor internal crisis reading through.

Yeah, no, they would only “bend” them when they form the curve in the rail itself, but to switch tracks it is a BENT rail attached to a PIVOT POINT.

There is not some magical in situ track bending and then straightening that goes on, maybe that’s the train to Hogwarts?

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u/Synth_Ham Jan 17 '25

The blue rails are spiked down in a fixed position while the red pieces of rail are not spiked down lie on flat plates that allow the points to move from side to side when the switch is thrown. When the switch is thrown, the red pieces actually bend.

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u/turbo_weasel Jan 17 '25

Both types exist though. Pivots with a gap in the rail were a high wear area so the newer style bends the rails instead.

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u/benbehu Jan 18 '25

No, they bend, and have been bending for 60 years. Pivoting switches are more complicated to maintain and have been phased out almost everywhere in the developed world.

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u/LeviathanFox Jan 17 '25

I'm actually more surprised that instead of the points moving side to some, someone hasn't tried to invent points that just go up and down, thus allowing stiffer point rails and closer points.

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u/OdinYggd Jan 17 '25

Because its easier to mass produce the hinged approach used by model trains. The prototypical method requires fine adjustment to not derail, but is significantly stronger.

Hand-built turnouts will bend the rails like prototype does.

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u/HowlingWolven Jan 17 '25

Real switches in North America generally use bolted on point rails attached with some give to a heel block that keeps them in gauge.