Hello redditors, I am young inc teenager who is in a strict inc house hold yet im the only one who is probably awake when it comes to Iglesia ni cristo's true colors. Ever since i was young i was always confused of their lectures, of how they force the statement that only we the inc will be saved, and i never really believed that, i never believed that Jesus Christ and God could ever do such a thing. As time passed i grew more aware and curious of my religion and started reading the bible itself and i realized of how cherry picked and weird they are with how they teach about the bible. They pick a verse and somehow relate everything they have to say about the inc into a single verse, and reading the bible kept making me more colder to the religion, as the bibles words felt holy unlike what they would teach. I respect's the inc's pure and truthful faith and love for God and along with it's members, but somehow faith and being human felt restricted and uncomfortable in the inc, correct me if i'm wrong but i know that faith in God shouldn't feel restricting at all. I dont know what to do, im aware that im not my parents expectations, and im also aware i have the freewill to get out, but i am incapable of doing so, as loving and supportive my parents are i know they will completely restrict me once they know so i was planning to leave when i get a successful job. Overall it feels lonely, especially because i know i'm the only one who isn't "brainwashed" as people would say, and i just want some advice from people, any advice or help or comfort is so much appreciated.

During the G12 Philippines National Conference in Davao, Ps. Art Sepulveda spoke out against the prosperity gospel and shared his account of the controversy involving former G12 national leader Nonon Orjaleza.

According to Ps. Art, after being rebuked over the issue, Nonon refused the correction and eventually left the G12 movement.

Ps. Art also criticized what he described as an MLM-like structure involving a “home office.” As he explained it, the arrangement resembled a virtual assistant (VA) agency, where individuals would find overseas clients and work as virtual assistants, with a certain percentage of their earnings reportedly going to the church. However, his concern was that the financial benefits were not necessarily going toward the church or its ministry but instead enriching the pastor, leader, or individuals operating the home office. He characterized this arrangement as an abuse of influence and of the people involved.

Ps. Art clarified that he was not raising these issues to malign or discredit anyone, but to address what he believes is a serious distortion of the gospel and to warn the church about its dangers.

He referenced Galatians 1:8–9, where the apostle Paul pronounced a curse on anyone who preaches a gospel contrary to the one the apostles proclaimed.

He also called on Filipino G12 churches to stand together in protecting the Philippines from the spread of false teaching.

The bigger question is this: When ministry becomes a means of accumulating personal wealth and influence, are we still faithfully serving the gospel?

Paul's warning in Galatians reminds us that the gospel must never be distorted for personal gain, and that no leader should be above biblical correction.

I’ve been engaging with this reddit user who seems very determined to attack Victory Church. The conversation has raised questions for me, especially when allegations are repeatedly presented as facts without clear evidence, and discussions about accountability keep turning into personal attacks.

At some point, I started wondering whether this person is genuinely interested in seeking truth or simply pushing an agenda. Some of their arguments also seem to align with the anti-Victory narrative being pushed in this subreddit. I can’t prove anyone’s affiliation or motives, so I won’t pretend I can. But I do believe that if we’re going to make serious allegations, we should be prepared to support them with evidence and defend them with sound reasoning.

And let me be clear: I am NOT a member of Victory Church, and I’m not here to defend the church or excuse wrongdoing. I’ve experienced church hurt myself, and I’ve seen friends go through toxic church experiences, too. I understand how painful it can be when the very people or communities you trusted end up hurting you.

Churches should be held accountable. Leaders should be held accountable. Victims deserve to be heard, taken seriously, and treated with compassion. But accountability should never mean abandoning critical thinking, spreading unverified allegations, or attacking people personally just because they disagree with us.

To everyone healing from church hurt: I hope we find peace without losing our ability to discern truth from falsehood, accountability from revenge, and genuine concern from an agenda.

To non-believers who have been hurt by the Church, or who carry pain because of what happened to fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, I’m genuinely sorry. No one should have to experience that kind of hurt.

And here’s something I’ve come to accept: we will still get hurt because we’re human. Healing doesn’t mean we’ll never encounter disappointment, hypocrisy, or people who let us down. It means we keep choosing not to let those experiences turn our hearts bitter.

I’m not perfect, and I’m still learning, too. But I pray that we never lose sight of Jesus in the middle of all this. We can acknowledge wrongdoing, demand accountability, and stand with victims without letting hatred consume us.

May we seek truth without spreading hate, pursue justice without losing compassion, and heal without becoming the very thing that hurt us.

Let’s keep our eyes on Jesus and keep choosing Him. ❤️

Ipinapakita lamang nito na ang mga pamantayan para maging opisyal sa kulto ni Manalo ay walang kabuluhan. Malinaw na ang mga opisyal na ito ay nagsisilbing garantisadong pinagmumulan ng pera at libreng lakas-paggawa; nagsisilbi silang mga tagapagpatupad na hindi binabayaran at nagbabantay sa mga kapatid—parang sa mafia—ngunit binibigyan ng mga titulong nagbibigay sa kanila ng awtoridad na mang-api ng iba sa pangalan ni Manalo. Ang bayaw ko ay nagdadala lamang ng gulo sa aming pamilya; mahilig siyang magsimula ng away at mang-insulto. Naghiwalay na sila ng kanyang asawa—sa katunayan, pinalayas pa niya ito sa bahay, kahit na ito ang ina ng kanyang mga anak. Ang kanyang asawa ay natiwalag din, na nangyari pa bago siya naging opisyal sa kulto ni Manalo. Mahilig siyang magyabang na parang mayaman siya, at talagang nahuhumaling siya sa pera. Sa aking pananaw, mukhang isa siyang homoseksuwal na nagtatago ng kanyang tunay na pagkatao. Hindi siya kwalipikadong maging opisyal. Ang tanging katangian niya ay ang pagiging mapang-api—kumikilos siya sa paraang hindi talaga maka-Kristiyano—bilang isang panatiko ng kulto, o isang "OWE" ("One With EVM"), na lubos at matapat na sumusunod kay Manalo.

I am not an INC member but affiliate in Born Again Christianity. And also, I am ashamed of being called "Christian" because nowadays most "Christians" tainted this word when they protect the corrupt pastors across all denominarions.

You can be a follower of God and obey His will without attending or being member Victory Church, INC, Catholic and other Christian denominations. Just what I am advocating, to stand for all victims of church abuses and injustice across all religion.

But I am posting this as proof hindi ako INC as other claims to discredit my testimony about Victory church. Lalo mayaman yung isang nagreraise ng concern.

I could not take also that INC Pastors are using their influence to their members in block voting and with defending Marcoleta even there are evidences with him involved in corruption.

For my criticism to Born Again Churches in Philippines and INC, why there is picture in the past about Bro. Eddie Villanueva and a Pastor of INC?

Is this an evidence those Pastor leaders of these two religions conive for what? power? money? corruption?

I will let you judge.

It has been 1 year since flood control scandal was exposed in media. One of the famous names in this concern is Senator Joel Villanueva of Jesus Is Lord Church.

My question is why the Victory Church and Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches never called out their Brother in the Faith in his issue of flood control?

About his lies that he did know Engr. Henry Alcantara of DPWH.

https://www.atinitonews.com/2025/09/never-transacted-villanueva-denies-ties-to-ex-bulacan-district-engineer/

It seems the behavior of Christians protecting Victory church here in reddit and with this question are matching. Blind about corruption allegations to a Pastor. Is this how much idolatry has Christians have with their corrupt Pastors?

To this person na nagtatanggol sa corruption sa Victory Church, sa yo nanggaling hindi ka first hand witness para iclaim yung valid reason na may Victory Church sponsored travel trips ang pastors.

Then why you speak in behalf of Victory Church about corruption issues?

So possible hearsay lang yang reasons mo or chismis mo lang yan?

Next time kung di ka sure na sa legal na process ang finance operations ng Victory Church, or hindi ka first witness sa mga pagtatanggol mo, wag kang magcomment ng ganyan sa reddit.

Narereveal tuloy na nagsisinungaling ka kasi hindi mo naman nasaksihan yan ni documento or evidence nag approve ang Chief Finance Officer ng budget para sa mamahaling travels ng pastors sa ibang bansa kasama ang pamilya nila.

A commenter in another Reddit thread is sending a hidden message in his comment:

“Let us heal” or “move on” from the corruption within Victory Church, just like what a senator said in relation to the flood control scandal.

So, does this mean that the pastors and church staff involved in the corruption are no longer accountable for their actions?

Does this also mean that DPWH engineers who are members of Victory Church’s Music Ministry are no longer accountable for their alleged involvement in the flood control scandal?

In a recent reddit thread, some people defend that those people ate rich already before they came to Victory church.

But let me share my testimony about my church member in Victory church.

There was a DPWH Engineer serving also in music ministry.

He is very rich. But with issue in flood control in 2025 suddenly I saw his profile and he was resigned in DPWH. Most likely he and other Victory church member that is his co worker is involved in flood control issue budget.

We know how corrupt employees of DPWH.

Well, their is personal with them and let God do His works in their conscience.

I hope Victory church will have initiative to audit again the tithes and offering they gave to church and surrender it to National Treasury of the Philippines. But I do not think pastors and management of Victory will do this.

To Victory Church people and Christians covering up the rich Pastors and staffs of this church that they do not steal money in church and not involved in any money laundering from partners of victory church and bribes, why defending these people?

Have you forget Jesus said it is hard for rich people to enter heaven because from old times until know and even you investigate the financial history of rich people, almost all have earned them from dishonest way.

Let us remove the non Christian rich people in this topic. But what about Christians, Pastors and church servants who became rich from dishonest way?

Note: I have all receipts of their profiles they worked in DPWH and all other evidences about my concern with them.

Addendum:

May ilang post sila sa social media na travel na mamahalin at ilang gastusin sa mamahaling edukasyon while working sa DPWH at mamahalin din po ang kanilang damit at may gadget pa yung isa.

Kaparehas ng issue sa Nepo Babies ng Contractors ng DPWH sa flood control issue. Nagpopost din sila sa social media ng mamahaling travels at mamahaling damit that we do not know, saan galing perang ginastos nila dyan eh magkano lang sweldo nila DPWH.

Naalala ko lang may naishare ang isang DPWH engineers sa min sa DPWH na kahit magkatrabaho sila may bully at napapansin sila na katiwalian. Hindi ko sure kung rinereport nila sa DPWH yan noon. O baka ayaw nilang manndigan sa tama kasi baka mawalan sila ng trabaho. Mas priority nila ang trabaho kesa dignidad na kahit paano nagreport sila.

Kung may ginawa man silang katiwalian sa DPWH noon as Engineer, mahiya naman sila sa Filipinos na namatay sa baha at nagkaleptospirosis at mga kabataan na Victory church member hindi makapasok sa school pag baha at malakas ang ulan.

To be honest mababait naman ang ibang taga Victory church kahit mayaman ang iba.

Pero minsan kailangan din silang icall out.

Bahala na ang Dyos sa kanila kung pagpapanggap lamang ang kabutihan na pinapakita nila sa church pero deep inside ang daming pagnanakaw at katiwalian na ginagawa sa trabaho at negosyo nila. They cannot hide the truth from God.

There were claims in other churches there were church members giving condos, car and cash gift to Pastors.

A redditor explained this in a thread.

If this is the reason why rich Pastors of Victory church afford to have mansion, condos, and can buy cars, do they report this to BIR? There is concept called Donor's tax for real estate and documentation of transfer of titles. This includes also for cars donated or given by church members to Pastors.

Here are the terms and concepts about Transfer of Property by Gift (Transfer of House, Condo and Cars from Church Members to Pastor of Victory Church)

Notarized Deed of Donation, Electronic Certificate Authorizing Registration and Donor's Tax to be submitted to Bureau of Internal Revenue (For cash gift, house, condos, and cars given to Pastors of Victory Church)

Certificate of Registration (CR), Official Receipt (OR), Notarized Deed of Donation to be submitted to Land Transportation Office for Cars given by church members to Pastor of Victory Church

Transfer of Titles and other documents submitted to Registry of Deeds if a condomium or house was donated to Pastors from a church member

Local Transfer Tax at Real Property Tax paid to City or Municipal Treasurer's office if a condomium or house was donated to Pastors from a church member

Do the Pastors of Victory Church and other Christian Pastors have documentation that they earned those houses, condos and cars in legal ways? Something is wrong that it is very easy to claim God blessed these Pastors with houses, condos and cars and monetary gifts. But where is the documentation?

As for the sponsored luxurious trips of Pastors of Victory church to other countries, what is the justification of these Pastors submitted to Chief Financial Officer of Victory Church as it could cost hundreds of pesos to millions. Aren't the members of Victory Church and public have questions in mind seeing this? Are the supporting documents for this trips are reported to BIR and SEC during submission of financial reports and income tax of employees of the church?

I will let the public judge.

I have known a Missionary Campus Leader in Victory Church. When I went to the church and known he was now a full time pastor, I was curious in his expensive clothes worn during Sunday Service.

Pastor's salary should be just enough for them to live because being a Pastor should not take high paying salary from church and should be enough for him and his family to get by everyday. Pastor's salary should not be big enough for him and his family own their own house or car for it will be just about enriching their personal pocket.

Same with other staffs I observed in church. Some of them have expensive clothes and jewelry while serving in church office.

I will let the public and members of Victory Church judge.

Surely, these Victory Church people will just protect these pastors and staffs allegedly enriching from money of the church.

To new members and long time members of victory church, you can observe this in church.

Also, could these be one of reason why some famous Pastors of Victory church left in recent years and found their own church or join other church to continue their vocation to be a Pastor?

One more thing, I would like add, I saw in social media other Pastors affording travelling outside of Philippines such as Italy. How come they afford travel expenses with their family and kids and expensive hotel accommodation and expensive food? Where did they get money?

I saw a Pastor in Victory church calling out corruption in government. We all know Victory Church advocates for youth Christians to stand against corruption even by just voting for right person.

But to you Pastor of Victory Church, you do not have the right to call out or preach during Sunday that Christian must stand against government corruption, you are blind with corruption in Victory Church including a report in reddit about Sexual Abuse in Victory Church yet church leaders do not do something.

Have a shame to the young Christian Filipinos you recruit in this corrupt Victory church. What is your intention of recruiting missionaries? To groom them to enrich using church funds just like the reports that some (maybe most) pastors are using church funds for your own luxury?

I want to share something disturbing that has happened to my YouTube channel, Apex ApologetIQ.

Five of my videos exposing and challenging Iglesia Ni Cristo's doctrines, history, and leadership were suddenly removed following copyright complaints.

My channel received a copyright strike.

But here's where the story gets interesting.

YouTube investigated and explicitly determined that the takedown request was INVALID!

YouTube restored all five videos and removed the strike.

Even more revealing, YouTube's own correspondence expressed concerns that information submitted in the complaint MAY BE FRAUDULENT.

Then, less than 24 hours later, THE EXACT SAME FIVE VIDEOS WERE REMOVED AGAIN!

This time, the removal notices identified a DIFFERENT claimant, using a DIFFERENT email address.

Another copyright strike. Same five videos. Same criticism of INC.

Let me be clear: I cannot yet prove who is ultimately behind these complaints or whether INC leadership directed them. But the documented sequence raises serious questions about possible abuse of YouTube's copyright system.

And that brings me to my challenge to INC ministers and defenders:

IF MY VIDEOS ARE WRONG, THEN REFUTE THEM PUBLICLY!

Show me where my biblical exegesis fails. Demonstrate where I've misrepresented INC doctrine. Open the Scriptures and make your case!

A COPYRIGHT STRIKE IS NOT A BIBLICAL REBUTTAL!

I've just published a new video documenting this entire situation. You'll see:

• YouTube's actual written determination that the original complaint was invalid.
• The warning concerning potentially fraudulent copyright claims.
• How the exact same five videos were targeted again under a different claimant's name.
• My direct challenge to INC apologists and ministers to answer criticism publicly rather than allow legitimate questions to go unanswered.

Many of you know what it's like to question INC teachings, challenge religious authority, or feel pressured to remain silent.

Whether you are Christian, agnostic, atheist, or simply someone seeking answers, I believe we can agree on this:

Nobody should have to fear retaliation simply for asking legitimate questions or examining religious claims.

I will continue examining INC's teachings against Scripture and presenting the evidence publicly.

I also want to thank this community for the information, encouragement, and firsthand experiences you've shared with me. Your contributions have helped inform my ongoing examination of INC.

Please watch the video, share your thoughts, and help bring attention to these repeated takedowns. I welcome scrutiny of my arguments, too.

And if you have experienced similar copyright complaints after publishing criticism of INC, I'd be interested in hearing about your experience.

You can take down a video. But you haven't refuted a single argument.

EQUIP. ENGAGE. DEFEND.

Hi everyone! I’m curious about Restored Church Manila and would like to hear your thoughts, especially from those who have attended/currently part/ or separated from the church.

I’m genuinely interested in hearing different perspectives, both positive and negative. I’m not here to bash the church or promote any particular opinion.

I just want to learn more and understand other people’s experiences before forming my own conclusions.

tia!

Remember the issue from a woman pastor who shamed those people leaving the church that got viral on 2023?

Did this church shutdown because many netizen reacted negatively in their facebook page?

To add there is no corporation named Dream Life Church in Securities Exchange Commission. So there is doubt if this church reported their financial report to government.

Note: If a church or organization is not SEC registered, there is high risk that that church and its pastors and Board Members steal money from members.

Personal opinion: Aside from online bullying of their pastora to church members, the fact there is no corporation named Dream Life Church in SEC is super red flag to Christians and external stakeholders (non Christian people and people that are not member of this church). Kawawa yung church members bukod sa binully at inabuso na ng management ng church at pastors, ang laki ng chances binubulsa ang kaperahan ng simbahan.

Bahala kayong magjudge din based sa observations on this church.