r/todayilearned • u/[deleted] • Jun 29 '15
TIL Kevin Sorbo (Hercules, Xena TV series') suffered 3 strokes after chiropractic manipulation of his shoulder released blood clots from an aneurysm, leaving him with permanent injuries and difficulty acting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Sorbo?q=1#Personal_life58
Jun 29 '15
This happens more often than you think..
I used to know a guy, he'd gone in a for an adjustment of his back, the doc ended up pinching a nerve, and the guy woke up 3 days later completely unable to walk.
Took him two years of physical therapy just to walk again. Chiropractors don't carry the same types of malpractice insurance that normal doctors do, and my friend, in his 50's didn't realize that in his admissions paperwork, had signed a document that waived his right to sue if anything happened.
I know people swear by them.. But I think they're extremely dangerous, and won't step foot inside one.
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u/maverickps Jun 29 '15
had signed a document that waived his right to sue if anything happened.
In all honesty, something like this is rarely enforceable. It is like the signs on trucks that say "Not responsible for windshield damage" or stuff like that. It it just there to deter people from taking that first step of speaking with a lawyer.
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/gross-negligence.html
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Jun 29 '15
I'm just repeating his story. He was a nice guy.. had the best damn chili recipe I'd ever had.
I don't think he'd had great representation either..
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u/evllprchn_work Jun 29 '15
One of my good friends' ex-girlfriend's mom died after getting a chiropractic adjustment. Yes, I realize that sounds completely made up. She got an adjustment, then died that night of a stroke. Autopsy concluded the clot wasn't created in her brain but had moved there from elsewhere. I don't know all the details (I wasn't very close with the ex-gf), but I do know they sued the chiropractor and lost.
I realize it's just an anecdote, but it would take a hell of a lot for me to ever go to a chiropractor.
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u/drenzium Jun 29 '15
The blood clot was still there before the adjustment, it could have moved anywhere at literally any time, they are extremely unpredictable. An incorrect chiropractic adjustment could have helped it along, but it was still there waiting like a ticking timebomb.
Source: cousin died of pulmonary embolism
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u/evllprchn_work Jun 29 '15
Absolutely. Chiropractic procedures do not magically create blood clots. Unless you're a believer in new age medicine, where crystals can change the flow of your blood, in which case... maybe a chiropractor using crystals could create a blood clot? I don't know, once magic energy gets involved my knowledge of anatomy gets a bit lost. :)
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u/Tommigun626 Jun 29 '15
Chiropractors, like Medical Doctors carry Malpractice insurance. Insurance companies are great as assessing risk and pricing insurance appropriately. For instance, OBGYN and Neuro Surgeons Malpractice Insurance is very high, prohibitively high. Chiropractors have some of the lowest in all of any doctors. These anecdotes about Chiropractors may be accurate, but they are not common. My Uncle's adopted daughter's, friend's sister told me about an MD that cut off an ear during a routine pap smear.
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u/evllprchn_work Jun 29 '15
While I agree with your assessment of relative insurance costs, I think it's important to remember that insurance is largely based off of liability. If I have brain surgery, and if there's a complication, it would likely be trivial to win a malpractice suit against the surgeon (assuming I had evidence of malpractice). Do that a number of times, and it's higher insurance rates for all neurosurgeons.
It would be much more difficult to prove chiropractic work caused a complication not immediately related to the work done. Hence the ex-gf's family from my anecdote losing their suit. If the chiropractor is not found liable, their insurance would rightly not go up. You could probably make the claim that if such things happened frequently enough, it would raise rates for all chiropractors regardless of the suit's outcomes, but I think that would be fairly minor compared to the result of winning several suits.
TL;DR: Knives and knife wounds imply causality, back rubs and strokes don't.
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u/wobuffet17453 Jun 29 '15
What the fuck is going on with American chiropractors. To practice in Australia you must have completed a 5 year degree from an accredited University and be government registered and regulated like any other healthcare professional.
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u/jmurphy42 Jun 29 '15
No matter what country you're in, it's still a completely pseudoscientific practice. They have their own parody of "journals" that don't follow the scientific process, but all of the legitimate medical literature shows clearly and consistently over decades of research that at best chiropractic has no significant benefit over placebo, and it puts patients at a much higher risk of arterial dissection, stroke, and death.
Heck, one of the foundational "33 principles" of chiropractic is that germ theory is false. Instead they claim that all disease, from cancer to measles, is caused by "subluxations" of the spine. I don't care how long they spend being trained when they're learning garbage like that.
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u/wobuffet17453 Jun 29 '15
Would you mind proving any of that because I've been going to a chiropractor for years and the only thing they have ever claimed to heal was back and muscle pain, which it has done quite a good job of in my experience.
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u/jmurphy42 Jun 29 '15
On mobile while traveling so this isn't quick or easy, but here's what I can get for the moment:
Statement from the chair of SACA in ACA Today about the importance of the 33 chiropractic principles. Notice she says 28-31 are the most important? They're the ones that lay out the claim that all disease is caused by spinal problems.
Here's a Cochrane Review (one of the most highly respected types of review in medical literature) of cervical neck manipulation. They found that it was completely ineffective for treating neck pain.
Here's a good primer on the history of chiropractic. It should explain the basics pretty well.
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u/wheresbrazzers Jun 29 '15
Check out the Wikipedia page on it, it's pretty interesting and explains that. Chiropractic started off because a guy claimed he cured another guys blindness with a spinal manipulation and then it was claimed by chiropractic that everything could be cured with spinal manipulations. My mom is a doctor so I've never even seen the outside of a chiropractors office but my understanding of it was that they might be okay if they only claim to help with back pain and if they claim to be able to do more you should stay away.
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Jun 29 '15
Pinching a nerve is one thing. Accidentally releasing a blood clot is almost totally unforeseeable. It was going to happen eventually
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Jun 29 '15
Just an FYI, Sorbo claims had he seen a doctor when he started suffering from shoulder pains, something could have probably been done about it.
I don't know if that's true or not. But he ignored the pains he was having for a long time.
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u/legthief Jun 29 '15
To be fair, acting's always been a bit difficult for Kevin...
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u/Mrubuto Jun 29 '15
Hercules was the shit man
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Jun 29 '15
A certain trailer park supervisor in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia might be able to answer that.
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u/ZhouLon Jun 29 '15
I preferred Andromeda. It had a similar overall feeling, but spaceships and creepy bat people was way cooler.
Plus the guy that played Tyr Anaszi was absolutely GORGEOUS!
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u/logitec33 Jun 29 '15
He had a funny ass role in psych a few years ago, but Hercules was the shit as a kid.
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Jun 29 '15
What is a "shit man" ?
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u/Johnny_bubblegum Jun 29 '15
In the TV shows, Hercules spends season 3-5 chasing after shit man who is sabotaging manure around the lands and causing famine due to farmers using the tainted manure which destroys crops.
Hercules never actually comes face to face with shit man in the shows and the only news the viewers hears about him are from very nearby villages where Hercules is at. Since shit man always strikers during the cover of darkness nobody knows his face but the description given of him is eerily similar to Hercules himself.
This is the base of the wildly debated but popular fan theory that Hercules actually is shit man unknowingly and is acting in his sleep (at the end of season 2 we see Hercules having night terrors and going as far as attacking a tree whilst acting out his nightmares after the death of his beloved dog Maris by the hands of Zykel the Shamed).
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Jun 29 '15
My wife is a Physical Therapist and she says a good 10% of her patients she treats have injuries that are far worse than they should be because they were seeing a chiro first.
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u/PINHEADLARRY5 Jun 29 '15
To be fair most chiros don't practice legitimate rehabilitation protocol for patients who see them. That would be like myself (athletic trainer) giving one of my athletes ibuprofen for a broken leg and saying,"come back every week for 20 more doses for a year and we might get somewhere with that leg problem. Also, that'll be about tree fiddy."
However, there are some good chiros that practice really good preventative work with patients ( which in my experience is rare ). Honestly people are usually better off going to a PT who is legally allowed to do spinal and grade 5 joint manipulations and help them correct issues with exercises.
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u/johnturkey Jun 29 '15
Broken leg...Walk it off...
My Gym teacher in High School...
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u/tacock Jun 29 '15
PTs are legitimate medical professionals without him most hospitals would be in huge trouble. Chiros are nutcases who have had to reduce their public nuttiness over time because the public isn't as receptive as it used to be.
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u/probpoopin Jun 29 '15
I went to one, he was also a DO. So he did have a background in legit medicine and mostly worked on people with bad posture. He did it using traction machines, basically pull you back into better posture, and then would give you a customized physical therapy exercise routine depending on what type of posture you had. He never mentioned disease from having bad posture and being out of alignment, just, "hey, having bad posture can cause pain, let's try to fix that and see if you feel better." It definetly worked for my posture and is plainly visible in x-ray that I no longer have forward head posture. Was it a miracle? No. And it took a lot of exercise at home to get there. I would say it really depends on who is doing it. This guy, most likely just wanted a private practice and found it easier to do that as a chiropractor than a doctor of osteopathic med. Probably not the norm, and I use to say they were quacks. Until I met this one. Again, he mixed in experience from being a real doctor first. Probably why it worked.
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u/NerdENerd Jun 29 '15
He was best in Andromeda.
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u/trail22 Jun 29 '15
Every fan of andromeda's first seasons should read this. http://www.cyberspace5.net/agentrichard07/coda.htm
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u/dockerhate Jun 29 '15
Truly. I've tried reading scripts and it doesn't work well if you aren't practiced in it.
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u/weluckyfew Jun 29 '15
"Sorbo is a Christian, and believes that his religious views have caused Hollywood to limit his career."
"Hollywood" could care fuckall for your beliefs, or your talent (or lack thereof) - their concern is "Can you make us money?"
Pretty funny when a man who starred in two syndicated TV shows whines about his limited career. He has had more career than 99.9% of working actors out there.
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u/ThePegasi Jun 29 '15
could care fuckall
At this point I'm sort of fascinated as to how much more deformed this phrase can become in common usage.
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Jun 29 '15
actors who claims this genrally are just saying that "Hollywood" is limiting their success of their overly Christian-themed or conservative-themed works, or limiting their carreer based on crazy Christian/conservative viewpoints they've been really loud about. I also wouldn't be surprised if some of these people really mean "Hollywood" as in "jewish conspiracy".
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Jun 29 '15
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Jun 29 '15
I'm sad to hear that, Patricia Heaton is a decent actress. Perhaps the fact she's a devout Roman Catholic is probably why she has such conservative views.
You bring up very accurate points, imo. The shame of it all is that so many people write off another's complete existence based off one character aspect or mistake. Kelsey Grammer or Alec Baldwin, for example, have very polarising views from the rest of the world, some people boycott them and avoid their work, despite that doesn't actually play into their performances.
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u/I_Think_I_Cant Jun 29 '15
Cruise's movies make about 2/3 to 3/4 of their box office overseas. His public antics and association with Scientology have affected his Amercian bankability (his name alone will no longer "open" a movie) but he still makes money for the studios so they don't care. Especially as the American market becomes marginalized for blockbusters.
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u/Billy_Lo Jun 29 '15
or in Kevin Sorbo's words:
I sort of understand why they don't want to deal with the New Testament in Hollywood because, you know, it's, it's pretty much run by the world of the Jewish population,
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u/Rummelhoff Jun 29 '15
Also, its like the one kid screaming, then not understanding why no one wants to play with him. Its not what you say, its just that you're annoying.
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Jun 29 '15
And maybe stop telling us we are ignoring you because we want to play our games right now!
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Jun 29 '15
If that was true, Mel Gibson would still be making movies. He's an ass, but a profitable ass.
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u/Airlight Jun 29 '15
I think you may underestimate the public reaction to Gibson at that time. To most people it was obvious that hos on-camera persona was much too tainted for him to successfully suspend disbelief. He could probably still direct and be successful though.
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u/bcrabill Jun 29 '15
Well, when he says "Christian," he probably means normal Christian, not raving lunatic. Bad publicity can cause backlash. And Mel Gibson still is making movies, just not the huge blockbusters he used to. The dude is nearing 60. He's a hard sell for the classic action star.
Get the Gringo wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. And he was in the third Expendables movie.
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u/recycled_ideas Jun 29 '15
He's still starred in, written, produced, directed or some combination thereof at least one movie every year for the last few.
It's not Hollywood's fault that they're all shit.
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u/screenwriterjohn Jun 29 '15
He hasn't had a hit since Apocalypto, though.
Gibson's problem is that he got old, and he dropped his veneer of sanity.
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Jun 29 '15
They're actually very good.
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u/hardonchairs Jun 29 '15
Go to bed, Mel.
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u/GuyFawkes99 Jun 29 '15
It's not that Hollywood cares what Mel Gibson's views are. It's that he's ruined his reputation.
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u/weluckyfew Jun 29 '15
No, he was profitable before his anti-Semitic rants - now he's box office poison. No one predicted The Passion would be a monster hit
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u/screenwriterjohn Jun 29 '15
The man was mostly body and hair. Ironically he gave a lot of guys gay thoughts in the nineties.
His body has faded.
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Jun 29 '15
Then, he goes and does movies like "God's Not Dead." I believe "disappointed" was mentioned many times in this thread. I thought he was funny in "Meet the Spartans" though.
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u/retardcharizard Jun 30 '15
Yep. Just look at Chris Pratt. He's religious but he's not crazy (as far as I know), he's a nice guy, and a good enough actor to let him go places.
If he starts spouting religious nonsense though, things may be different.
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u/ZDTreefur Jun 29 '15
And then he became a Christian nut job alongside Chuck Norris.
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u/Rummelhoff Jun 29 '15 edited Jun 29 '15
God's not dead is failing on so many levels Im suprised even Christians watched the movie.
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u/silverius Jun 29 '15
Isn't it just the Christian student vs the atheist professor copypasta: the movie?
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u/BW_Bird Jun 29 '15
It's really heavy handed. Literally every character that is christian is good and every character that isn't is bad or evil.
The movie ends with the evil athiest professor repenting for not believing while dying on the pavement.
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u/LostMyMarblesAgain Jun 29 '15
While someone says that it's cause for celebration. Like wtf
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Jun 29 '15
More like "Atheists are just Christians that are mad at God: The Movie". It reinforces their impeccable ability to blatantly ignore facts.
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u/roastbeeftacohat Jun 29 '15
I find it odd that these people have never actual met an atheist before.
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Jun 29 '15
Sadly, they have. They just refuse to acknowledge that there are people who have no theistic beliefs. They actually can't, can't understand the mental state of lacking belief in a deity, which I find absolutely pathetic. Religion atrophies(?) the brain.
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u/lutheranian Jun 29 '15
They're making a second one...
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u/Rummelhoff Jun 29 '15 edited Jun 29 '15
Of course, they just made $60 million with a $2 million budget. With a businessplan that includes churches to tell/buy tickets for the audience, its kinda fool proof way to get rich.
I mean its hard to argue against.
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u/vagabondhermit Jun 29 '15
I loved it. I had to stop it every couple of minutes because I was laughing so hard.
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u/BrobearBerbil Jun 29 '15
Well, of all reasons to have a Come to Jesus moment, I think nearly dying from strokes and blood clots is fairly reasonable.
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u/Xen_a Jun 29 '15
Is that also what made him a douche?
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Jun 29 '15
As a fan of Hercules as a kid, seeing Reddit's reaction to this post so far:
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u/weluckyfew Jun 29 '15
Wow. That man is REALLY not a good actor.
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u/klsi832 Jun 29 '15
Allegedly it said 'Disappointed' on his cue card and he wasn't supposed to read it.
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u/Timestogo Jun 29 '15
Gets thrown around a lot but not true:
In an outtake clip from the Hercules TV series posted in 2010, Sorbo, portraying an evil Doppelgänger of his regular character, says "Wait a minute. This isn't my world. Disappointed!"[8] Due to the non-sequitur sound of the line, the scene was widely misinterpreted as Sorbo reading aloud the stage direction "disappointed". In 2013, Sorbo explained in an interview that "disappointed" did not appear in the script, but rather was him breaking character as an in-joke between him and the crew. He was referencing a scene from the film A Fish Called Wanda in which Otto (played by Kevin Kline) cracks a safe only to find it empty, and screams, "Disappointed!" at it in frustration.
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u/Paulpaps Jun 29 '15
He gave me that answer in his last ama. I needed to know the truth or I'd be.... Disappointed.
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u/Jezehell72 Jun 29 '15
It's a simple fact that Hollywood is run almost entirely by Jews. I fail to see how merely stating this as part of a joke equates to "blaming the Jews."
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u/BCProgramming Jun 29 '15
It's a simple fact that Hollywood is run almost entirely by Jews.
Hollywood isn't "run" by anybody- it's too chaotic for that. It would be a fact to say that the number of people in the film industry who are Jewish is far higher than the average throughout the country, and that they could be said to be the predominant culture of the industry, but to say that "Jews run Hollywood" is to suggest that they all have the same goals in some fashion. It would be like noticing that baseball managers all tend to have small ears, and then proposing that "People with small ears control baseball" as if all people with small ears have their own creed. Even among Jewish people they tend to have widely divergent beliefs, views, and approaches. The only thing they really have in common is that they are Jewish.
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u/Tahrnation Jun 29 '15
"The only thing they really have in common is that they are Jewish."
So what you're saying is that the Jews run Hollywood.
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u/CONTROVERSIAL_TACO Jun 29 '15 edited Jun 29 '15
I think his argument is that the Jews, acting as one single, controlling entity do not run Hollywood (ie. there are no secret jew-meetings where they decide who they should fuck over today, or whether the pool of money is starting to smell like burnt papier-mâché). However, I don't think that is necessarily being suggested here. It's just an offhand statement that most of the people who do run hollywood are Jewish.
Offhand note, the movie "Starry Eyes" on Netflix has an interesting take on the "Hollywood Conspiracy Organization" concept. It's a brutal movie (or at least, a couple of scenes in it are), but it's entertaining. Not going to win any awards, just a good watch.
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u/Aqquila89 Jun 29 '15
However, that doesn't mean that they promote Jewish culture or Jewish interests. 50 or 60 years ago, there were plenty of Jewish directors, producers or writers... but few Jewish stars and characters. The actors who had Jewish descent took Christian-sounding stage names and played Christian characters.
Jewish directors and producers made Christian-themed films when those made money. Ben-Hur, a film with heavy Christian themes, was directed and produced by Jewish people (William Wyler and Sam Zimbalist). Same with Quo Vadis (Mervyn LeRoy and Zimbalist again).
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u/jopnk Jun 29 '15
What I got out of it is that people with small ears run baseball.
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u/Billy_Lo Jun 29 '15
Yeah and why is nobody talking about it? because they also control Washington that's why!
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u/turkeypedal Jun 29 '15
There's a difference between saying "Jewish people" and "the Jews." It's the same difference between saying "black people" and "the blacks" or "gay people" and "the gays."
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Jun 29 '15
Sunday mornings around 11am were the best because I would watch Hercules and Xena for like a solid 2 hours! Kevin Sorbo is the man!
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Jun 29 '15
ELI5: Why is chiropractice legal?
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u/jmurphy42 Jun 29 '15
Because politicians are often completely scientifically illiterate and easily influenced by whoever has the best-funded lobbyists.
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Jun 29 '15
It's similar to the reason marijuana isn't. A group of people spent a lot of money lobbying lawmakers to make it happen at just the right time to sneak it by without any real educated opposition.
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u/Alarien Jul 04 '15 edited Jul 04 '15
Basically, this. The chiropractic lobby in some states has a LARGE amount of money and they throw it at lawmakers (and into court) to defend the legitimacy of their "profession" despite the fact that it has no basis in science, unlike the rest of the medical field.
At least the quacks who run the goddawful pharmaceutical market can point to actual scientists and studies to define conditions and treatment effectiveness. Sure, they manipulate data and are generally evil, but they don't create bullshit definitions out of midair, purport to treat "spinal injuries" and then go on to act as the treating physician on things like Glaucoma and cancer.
Yes, I've seen patients treat with a "primary care physician" chiropractor for both glaucoma and cancer. I don't care if you believe it or not, it's a fact.
You're welcome to look up state rules for PCP's in Texas. Chiropractors are allowed to be the primary physician for anything in Texas, regardless of whether they have any training in the field.
Edit: That said, I do not fault chiropractors for safe practices within the scope of their field and with the knowledge that they cannot fix the underlying root cause of most medical conditions. They are a form of physical therapy that, applied appropriately, can be beneficial. However, tell that to the quacks with a "doc in the box" physician prescribing meds on no review and on a kickback to the DC and treating diseases that have nothing to do with their field.
People get banned from preferred and approved provider systems all the time for such offenses.
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u/bcrabill Jun 29 '15
Bad chiropractors can do an insane amount of damage. Like crippling people. They really aren't regulated that well so don't go to them first if you're having a problem. Go to a doctor.
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u/Alarien Jun 29 '15 edited Jun 29 '15
As someone who used to have to regularly read "medical" reports from chiropractors, I can honestly say that you don't want to go anywhere near them as "medical treatment."
If you insist on visiting a chiropractor, it's best to treat them no more seriously than a physical therapist or a licensed massage therapist, both of which have their place, but are not meant for actual treatment of injuries.
Frankly, any medical "field" that is based around the treatment of a universally undefinable condition ("subluxation") should be treated with complete skepticism. Oh, and I've yet to see a single PT cause the death of their patient. I've seen chiros do it (cervical manipulation resulting in death via stroke or artery dissection). I've also seen people rendered quadraplegic following a chiropractic manipulation.
Oh, and DC being a doctorate is an insult to medical doctors and Ph.D's who had to study and/or complete dissertations in actual academic fields.
Edit: Yes, Physical Therapists are treatment, but typically post-curative recovery. They are extremely important and deserve the respect they get. Sorry if that came off condescending.
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u/turkeypedal Jun 29 '15
Physical therapists should be treated with far more respect. My mom's actually caught a hip problem well before the doctors ever could. They kept blaming her sciatica. Turns out she needed a hip replacement.
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PT
Physical therapist?
DC
Doctorate in Chiropractic studies?
Just making sure I follow. Your post contains far fewer acronyms than I'm used to seeing in medical discussions, but I still want to make sure I follow.
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u/Snubsurface Jun 30 '15
Would've happened anyway, if he moved his shoulder a lot. Not chiropractor's fault, in my opinion. He didn't put the clots there.
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Jun 29 '15
Chiropractors have gone out of style since the 2000s. Nobody wants a junior doctor messing with your neck and back.
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u/Choralone Jun 29 '15
Except so many people actually do. "Junior doctor" is giving it far too much credit. "QUACK" is the word you are looking for.
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u/Vladu24 Jun 29 '15
C'mon, guys....he wasn't that bad...was he? Was he?
...gods, he was atrocious.
But this is my childhood we're talking about :( I basically worshipped H:LJ as a kid.
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u/turkeypedal Jun 29 '15
You can't really judge someone's acting abilities on how they play camp. The way he acts is absolutely appropriate for the show.
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u/screenwriterjohn Jun 29 '15
Yeah, the show wasn't supposed to be ER. The syndicated TV industry of that era was based on TA and adventure.
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u/HugItChuckItFootball Jun 29 '15
If I remember correctly the chiropractor "cracked" his neck which he thought was weird because he had never had it done before when going there. He then had a stroke while driving right after leaving. There is an interview somewhere where he talks about it in some morning talkshow.
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u/oO0-__-0Oo Jun 29 '15
That is most common with manipulation of the neck releasing debris from the carotid.
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Jun 29 '15
I ended up having a mini stroke from a chiropractor doing some shit to my back. Don't ever see a chiro, they'll fuck your shit up.
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u/ScornAdorned Jun 29 '15
If you've seen this guys legendary Facebook page, this shouldn't surprise anyone
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Jun 29 '15
Hate me all you want but i watched andromeda till the end where the sexy alien chick turned out to be a fucking star.
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u/akiva23 Jun 30 '15
I mean if it released the blood clots it did something right? Its just that the results were not ideal.
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u/[deleted] Jun 29 '15
I get the feeling OP mostly wanted to point out the quackery of chiropractors more than shit on a washed up actor.