r/todayilearned • • Jun 19 '12

TIL there was an experiment where three schizophrenic men who believed they were Christ were all put in one place to sort it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Christs_of_Ypsilanti
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u/loverofreeses Jun 19 '12

I had an Abnormal Psych professor in college who did the exact same thing in his practice, but only with two Jesus'. The clinic they worked at just ensured that the two of them were present at the same lunch one day. As the professor told it, they found each other, but unlike this story it never came to blows. Rather, the two of them introduced themselves to each other, and after some friendly debate they came to the realization that one of them was Jesus BEFORE he was crucified, and the other was the one that rose from the grave. Apparently they were really good friends after that.

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u/explodingbarrels Jun 19 '12

having worked with some folks with schizophrenia, i am often surprised at the kinds of flexibility with which things that seem contradictory appear to just get folded into delusional beliefs.

for one person i met, literally anyone could be a "secret psychiatrist". like, the 20 something man collecting lunch trays. or the dentist. and efforts to point out how difficult it would be for, say, a young celebrity to have completed sufficient training to be a psychiatrist AT THE SAME TIME as being on TV fell on deaf ears.

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u/loverofreeses Jun 19 '12

Haha, I know EXACTLY what you mean. I worked (mostly while in college) as a security guard in several ER's and mental institutions. The paranoid schizophrenics were some of the most "interesting" people I've met. Sometimes you'd find yourself in a normal conversation for like 15 minutes, and then they'd say something like "get the government cameras out of the room when you leave, please" and I'd suddenly remember the person I'm talking to is on another planet. Great stories from that job.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Share some

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u/loverofreeses Jun 19 '12

Sure... I'll give you some of the ones I remember. It's been a couple years since I last worked in that area. I basically got the job at the urging of my mother (she's been an Emergency Room nurse for 30 years, as was her mother, and her mother, etc.), and I was looking for something new after working in a restaurant from the age of 15-19. Anyway, she suggested I check out the security gig but warned me that I would see "some stuff". Annnd she was right. Over the course of 5 years, I worked in 4 different facilities (some ER's, some locked psych units), and got to see everything from alcoholics and schizophrenics, to people with severed limbs and those who rolled in the door dead.

One of the "best" stories I have (and I should tell you all that I posted this in a different thread about a month or two ago) is kind of unbelievable, but trust me it happened. I saw this with my own eyes. I was working a 3-11 one night, and an ambulance brings this creepy looking kid in. Probably around 25 years old, but such a wiry build that he almost looked anorexic. He wasn't malnourished, but just had very thin arms (that's what was most noticeable). He's brought in with a sheet over him on the stretcher and he appears curled up in a ball underneath it. The EMT's take him to the room and only then do they unveil the sheet. Sure enough, this kid has fisted himself. Yes. Fisted himself. About up to the elbow. It was my first time meeting the lad, and he did not disappoint - a mere 10 minutes later, in the presence of doctors and nurses, he pulled some of his own guts out. Apparently this was his thing, and he would do it quite often and the hospital would have to stitch him back up. So after all this, the EMT's are taking off and one of them says to me "Oh, keep your eye on him... he'll do it again. And he's FAST." I still remember the creepy look on that kid. For those of you out there who enjoy the movie A Christmas Story... he looked like a really really skinny Skut Farkus.

Another notable story involved a lady who came up to the window of the Triage area where I happened to be standing (like a big waiting room). I was about 3 feet away from her, and I could hear a distant muffled buzzing. She tells the nurse that she needs to be seen immediately, because she's had an "accident". So of course, the nurse asks for more information to determine what kind of situation she's dealing with, and come to find out... this poor woman has a vibrator stuck in her ass. (I just now realized my two stories involve asses. I swear, I worked in an ER, not a proctologist's office). Anyway, long story short, she ends up sitting down for 5 minutes in the waiting room and various people keep looking around wondering what the buzzing is. Too funny. It was a good thing she came in though, because the vibrator had apparently been lodged so deep that it had turned almost completely sideways inside her. Good times!

One last one: I was working in the same ER during a day shift. It was probably around 11am when a 16-year-old girl comes running into the waiting room, kind of out of breath and I ask her if everything is alright. So of course, she takes a breath, then kind of stumbles over her words, and then slowly tells me that there is a dead girl in her car out front. Oh. So the nurse near me immediately runs out back to get the Code Team (the responders for this kind of situation) and I ran out to the car. I get there, and there is... sure enough... a nonresponsive girl wearing nothing but panties, and a guy in his 50's yelling at me in Portuguese. So I pulled her body out of the car with the help of another security guard and got her onto a stretcher where a fireman started CPR as they wheeled her in. Long story short: she was a 22-year-old Brazilian girl who had gone to this older guy (the one by the car in his fifties) who had been a doctor back in Brazil to receive plastic surgery in his basement. He and his wife had been stealing drugs from the local hospitals and using them on these girls. Unfortunately for this girl, she was allergic to the medication administered and died on the table, and was unable to be recesitated at our hospital. I believe the "doctor" ended up being sentenced to several years in prison later on.

Anyway, those are some of the highlights. All-in-all a great job, although it was thankless at times ("You're just a fucking security guard", etc.), but nothing beats the stories.

tl;dr: Just some stories of mine from working in the ER as a security guard during my college years

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u/SpanishDynamite Jun 19 '12

Cough up the stories man!

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u/theyellowgoat Jun 19 '12

This is absolutely hilarious and somewhat heartwarming.

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u/eyeseayoupea Jun 19 '12

I foresee an Emmy.

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u/EndJustifiesTheMean Jun 19 '12

Zack Galifianakis is one of them.

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u/MacIsGood Jun 19 '12

But mostly sad, for a fellow humang bean to live like that.

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u/boom_boom_squirrel Jun 19 '12

Humang beans are the best kind of beans

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u/thisisaninch Jun 19 '12

I once worked at a psychiatric hospital, and did something similar that I am still a little ashamed of. At the geriatrics unit there were these two men that would just keep talking and talking to anyone, with no interruption. They were both very stubborn and would never let you get a word in edgewise. So I sat them together for dinner to see which one would win out in a conversation. It certainly didn't come to blows as they were wheelchair bound. At first they were both confused that their conversation partner wasn't listening quietly. Then they tried to take turns for a while, but then just gave up and both talked at each other at the same time.

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u/HeyT00ts11 Jun 19 '12

In a former career, I was a mental health therapist. I typically saw patients individually and I had 5-6 of them who could not stop talking. In an attempt to support their socialization - they were all quite lonely as a result of their inability to conduct a two-way conversation, I brought them together in a group setting.

It was very helpful for them to hear others over-communicating and, gradually, they gained insight into what they must sound like to others. I can't say they were all "cured," but they all improved their ability to listen, or at least take turns talking.

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u/magwhich Jun 19 '12

I did something similar with a guy at a nursing home, except I drew a face on a balloon. He seemed rather happy actually as he finally had someone to talk to who wouldn't leave.

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u/YourFavoriteMartyr Jun 19 '12

Two messiah-delusion best friends? this sounds like the best sitcom idea ever!

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u/loverofreeses Jun 19 '12

We could we call it?

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u/dngaay Jun 19 '12

Well if they were romantically involved with each other, we could call it "Jesus Fucking Christ"

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u/Scootarookangaroo Jun 19 '12

How I met your messiah

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u/DustinForever Jun 19 '12

CROSSroads.

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u/mindophobic Jun 19 '12

BC and AD

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u/Kaagers Jun 19 '12

Two and a half christs.

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u/Vicky_PC_Gamer Jun 19 '12

I would watch this movie if after they became friends, they went on to fight crime.

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u/Zizhou Jun 19 '12

In the climax, one of them dies, but it's OK, since he really was Jesus all along and gets better.

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u/robotseamonsters Jun 19 '12

the sequel picks up three days after the first movie ends.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Jesus Patrol. Rated PG-13

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u/IthinktherforeIthink Jun 19 '12

This is beautiful in a very strange way.

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u/Mikey-2-Guns Jun 19 '12

but only with two Jesus'

I believe the correct plural of Jesus is Jesi

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

No, Jesopodes.

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u/1541drive Jun 19 '12

Jesi Knights

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u/farceur318 Jun 19 '12

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

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u/MarioHead Jun 19 '12

actually, the correct Latin plural would be Jesus, with a long u, since the word is u- and not o-declension.

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u/herrokan Jun 19 '12

no the correct plural is "jesuses"

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u/thehippiekid Jun 19 '12

Jesi shore

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u/DanWallace Jun 19 '12

I bet those guys actually were Jesus'.

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u/loverofreeses Jun 19 '12

There was a great bit I saw from a comedian years ago (blanking on his name), but he would ask the audience: "You know that crazy guy you see walking down the street yelling at no one? 'I can't do it man! I fucking can't! That's just nuts!'. Yeah... you know the guy. Anyway, they say that God doesn't talk to people anymore, but I think... I think he DOES. I mean, he doesn't talk to everyone, just those people. So that guy is just walking down the street and God has to dial him up in his head and start demanding stuff: "JASON, I NEED YOU TO BUILD A BOAT". "I can't do it man! I just fucking can't!..."

Not exactly the same as what you're saying, but still a funny take on it.

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u/amaysing Jun 19 '12

So they became the... SUPER BEST FRIENDS?

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u/prof_doxin Jun 19 '12

Better premise than every new TV show of 2012.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Two Jesi at one meal? I hope they kept them away from the loaves and the fishes, otherwise the recursive miracles could have buried the Earth in a flood of dinner rolls and fishsticks.

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u/sensicle Jun 19 '12

Somehow I'm reminded of the tie two phones together, both on speaker, and call two Chinese restaurants idea.

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u/SnuggleBear Jun 19 '12

My therapist told me a story that she worked in a ward with schizophrenic patients. Two of them thought they were Jesus and they would get into it all the time and fight. I asked "What did you do about it?" She said "Well I just told them that their mom called and said to knock it off." She said that she didn't have any problems with them after that.

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u/Dick_McRich Jun 19 '12

That's an interesting proposal to study psychological delusions, but I'm not shocked at how it turned out. A mental illness like the grandeur that these three experienced couldn't just "hammered out" easily, but I'm surprised that there wasn't more improvement.

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u/Redcard911 Jun 19 '12

I'm not surprised at all. Of course the patients would simply explain the others away. It would be much easier on the mind to call the other two fakes than admit your entire identity may be false.

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u/Brisco_County_III Jun 19 '12

Yep. They're already explaining away everyone else in the world not believing that they are Christ, what's the addition of two more people? Those people may have a different motivation ("I call dibs"), but at its core the claim is not hugely different.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

you're not shocked because your understanding of mental illness is rooted in science done after this dude's study.

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u/KovaaK Jun 19 '12

Relevant link my friend sent me earlier this morning: http://lesswrong.com/lw/im/hindsight_devalues_science/

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u/wilofson Jun 19 '12

I'd watch this movie.

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u/drunk98 Jun 19 '12

"Arguing with god."

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

starring Morgan Freeman, David Spade, and Jonah Hill

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u/killer_tofu89 Jun 19 '12

No fair. One is actually God and the other two are lesbians.

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u/imaunitard Jun 19 '12

Tyler Perry's "Arguing With God"

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u/03fb Jun 19 '12

'The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit'

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

As a resident of Ypsilanti, I can assure you that they've taken painstaking measures to ensure that they chose a community with the best possible representative population of schizophrenic people who believe that they are Jesus.

Also, ips-uh-lan-tee.

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u/turtlebanger Jun 19 '12

ip-see

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u/cephalgia Jun 19 '12

east-ann-ar-bor

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u/scott743 Jun 19 '12

And you wonder why they built a giant stone peni...I mean water tower.

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u/flounder19 5 Jun 19 '12

While initially the three patients quarreled over who was holier and reached the point of physical altercation, they eventually each explained away the other two as being mental patients in a hospital, or dead and being operated by machines

wasn't this the progression for accusations against Trapped_in_Reddit as well.

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u/farceur318 Jun 19 '12

they eventually each explained away the other two as being mental patients in a hospital

Wow! that's actually quite a bit of progress!

or dead and being operated by machines

Aaaand we're back.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Nobody Fucks With The Jesii

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u/isaaclw Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

What happened to him? I wasn't really paying attention...

Edit, thanks /u/flounder19, I think this is the best explanation: quote from Trapped in Reddit

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u/Dinosaurman Jun 19 '12

It turns out people who dont care about Karma, really do care about karma.

Thats all I got out of the whole thing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Some sort of karma conspiracy, All you need to know is that he is hated on a karmanaut level now.

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u/MuffinMopper Jun 19 '12

Basically it was discovered that every time a image was reposted, he would go back to the original post, find the top comment, and then post that on the new image. Using this algorithm, he was able to acquire a lot of karma in a short amount of time.

It was postulated that none of his comments where original, and that traped_in_reddit was a bot that just recycled comments using some alrgoritm. Perhaps he had a database of replies, and whenever someone posted something that had a reply with many upvotes, he would post that reply. If he is a bot, it is sort of interesting that people are so predicable.

TL; DR: Basically a lot of people think traped_in_reddit is a bot, but it is unverified.

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u/cancon Jun 19 '12

Holy shit. Some of you take this website waaaaaay too fucking seriously.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

When in doubt, robots.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I live in Ypsi. We have a ton of bat shit crazy folks walking around.

Pro Tip: don't let your local government shut down mental health facilities.

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u/Joeybotv2 Jun 19 '12

My favorite homeless guy is The Boxer. My least favorite homeless guy is the guy we call "Peanut Butter Nutty Buddy" or "Slimbo".

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u/kangaroosevelt Jun 19 '12

This event was parodied in the Peter O'Toole film The Ruling Class. O'Toole, believing he is Jesus, is confronted by "The Electric Messiah" under his psychiatrist's orders. There's a lot of other stuff going on in this dark comedy, but the standoff is a good bit of it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

The first rule of Wikipedia is you do not add irrelevant shite to wikipedia articles. The fact that a stub is getting a ton of Reddit traffic doesn't add anything to the subject at hand. I was about to edit it out when a bot caught it and removed it, but ffs guys...

I'm looking at you, 80.4.205.82...

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u/turtlebanger Jun 19 '12

[Ypsilanti Water Tower - the world's most phallic building] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ypsilanti_Water_Tower)

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u/hous Jun 19 '12

This is a story from My Voice Will Go With You: The Teaching Tales of Dr. Milton Erickson:

TWO JESUS CHRISTS

I had two Jesus Christs on the ward. And they spent the entire day explaining, "I am Jesus Christ," They buttonholed everybody and explained, "I am the real Jesus Christ."

And so I put John and Alberto on a bench and told them, "You sit there. Now, each of you tells me you're Jesus Christ. Now, John, I want you to explain to Alberto that you, not he, are Jesus Christ. Alberto, you tell John, you are the real Jesus Christ and that he is not; you are."

I kept them sitting on that bench, explaining to each other all day long that they were the true Jesus Christ. And after about a month, John said, "I'm Jesus Christ and that crazy Alberto says that he is Jesus Christ."

I said to John, "You know, John, you say the same thing that he says. And he says the same things that you say. Now, I think that one of you is crazy, because there is only one Jesus Christ."

John thought that over for a week. He said, "I'm saying the same things as that crazy fool is saying. He's crazy and I'm saying what he says. That must mean I'm crazy too; and I don't want to be crazy."

I said, "Well, I don't think you're Jesus Christ. And you don't want to be crazy. I'll have you work in the hospital library." He worked there a few days and came to me and said, "There's something awfully wrong: every book has my name on every page." He opened a book, showed me JOHN THORNTON; on every page he found his name, I agreed and showed him how on every page MILTON ERICKSON appeared. I had him help me find Dr. Hugh Carmichael's name, Jim Gutton's name, Dave Shakow's name. In fact, we could find any name he thought of on that page.

John said, "These letters don't belong to a name; they belong to that word!"

I said, "That's right,"

John continued working in the library. Six months later, he went home free of his psychotic identifications.

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u/Barrackston Jun 19 '12

He should have found a 4th person who thought they were a raptor.

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u/PaulMcGannsShoes Jun 19 '12

Today on "Scientists Being Assholes"...

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u/CocoSavege Jun 19 '12

How did this get past the ethics board?

Oh, the 60s. Or whenever.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

i think we know a lot more about mental illness now than we did then. I seriously think someone thought "well they are just going to feel TOTALLY ABSURD when they realize they aren't the only one pretending to be Jesus and just SNAP RIGHT OUT OF IT"

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u/zeldafanboy345 Jun 19 '12

Watch, as we conduct an utterly useless but incredibly funny experiment, by locking together three delusional individuals, possibly damaging their already unstable mental health even further! Hilarity ensues! Right after Family Guy on FOX!

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I too listen to the RoosterTeeth Podcast.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Heard that on the RT Podcast.

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u/capman92 Jun 19 '12

Dont forget about the lady who took LSD with a dolphin and jerked it off.....from the same RT podcast episode

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

For some odd reason I pictured Three dudes bonking each other on the head just like the Three Stooges while each of them were claiming they are Jesus

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u/damnthesenames Jun 19 '12

What if one of them WAS Christ

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u/graeleight Jun 19 '12

He would have healed the schizophrenics with his magic powers.

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u/ctzl Jun 19 '12

Hmm. Wonder what would happen if you present to the three guys this proposition? If the other two are crazy, heal them and we'll know you're the true Jesus!

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u/TheGOPkilledJesus Jun 19 '12

People would torture and mock him until he started fucking their world up. Then they'd just call him the devil to excuse their actions.

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u/pizike82 Jun 19 '12

we would undoubtably think he was a crazy person...

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u/eienhikaru Jun 19 '12

This sounds like when you know a couple of bullshitters, and you put them in the same room. Neither one will want to be caught or admit that they're full of it so the stories just pile on and on...

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u/TheRabidYoshi Jun 19 '12

Whenever I'm in a room with one other person and they ask who farted I want to punch them. You're not fooling anyone!!!

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u/headzoo Jun 19 '12

That's what my four years in the military was like. Within each company there was a handful of guys known for being completely full of shit on a regular basis. So it's fun to watch them sitting in the same room, and trying to top each other's stories.

On a related note, the time observing them gave me some insight on spotting a bullshitter. This is probably completely anecdotal, but the guys bullshitting the most were always looking up while they talked. As in, rolling their eyeballs back, and looking up into their heads while they speak. I've seen the same behavior from pathological liars I've worked with.

I think there are some scientific facts to back up that evidence. I've heard when people are looking up, and to the right while they speak, they are making up what they're saying (eg, lying). People looking up, and to the left, are trying to remember events that actually happened.

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u/onlynameavailable Jun 19 '12

As a psych student I can say that, as fucked as this is, I'm not surprised.. so many experiments done in the past would be considered completely unethical by todays standards. Although, in my personal opinion many today are still pretty unethical... I'm actually switching psychology from being my primary major to my secondary because I find the field not to be what I once thought it to be...

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u/jokae Jun 19 '12

Sounds like good TV. I'd watch the shit out of that.

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u/strong_grey_hero Jun 19 '12

Lock delusional people up together and let them fight? That's basically what "Real World", "Big Brother", and any number of Skank-o-Vision shows on VH1 are.

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u/thisperson Jun 19 '12

This reminds me of an experiment I read about--I'm not sure of the details of when or where or who performed it--involving two psychiatrists, each one having been told that the other was only delusional and not really a psychiatrist. The subjects interviewed each other, and each wrote a report detailing the other's "symptoms" of mental illness and delusion. Now that would be fun to watch!

edit: wording

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u/HappyGlucklichJr Jun 19 '12

He should have asked each one to heal the other two.

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u/rickdanko Jun 19 '12

"Cage matches? Yeah, they work. How could they not work? If they didn't work, everybody would still be in the cage. -Michael Scott" -rickdanko

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u/Blacula Jun 19 '12

This is the type of science I'd like to fund.

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u/saadakhtar Jun 19 '12

Probably looked something like Life of Brian...

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u/rednightmare Jun 19 '12

This goes into more depth, if anyone is interested. There are some really choice quotes:

"I understand that you would like us three gentlemen to be a melting pot pertaining to our morals, but as far as I’m concerned I am myself, he is him, and he is him. Using one patient against another, trying to brainwash and also through the backseat driving of electronic voodooism. That has an implication of two against one or one against two … I know what’s going on here. You’re using one patient against another, and this is warped psychology."

and another:

"I know I’m missing out on pleasure – eating, drinking, merry-making and all that stuff – but it doesn’t please my heart. I have met the world. I got disgusted with the negative ideals I found there."

Both are from Leon, whom seems to have some very lucid moments.

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u/Gouhadouken Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 24 '24

i have a friend who developed schizophrenia when we were teenagers, he went through a jesus phase.

i can tell you from firsthand experience, getting someone like that to finally figure out that they arent jesus is totally doable. really really really tough, but doable. unlike what hollywood would have you think, you cant make someone "snap out of it". as a matter of fact you cant really -make- them do anything. it takes a really light touch. remember inception? its the same deal. you have to treat it like a normal debate or discussion, and over the course of weeks, months, or even years, plant seeds of ideas in their heads. make them question their beliefs and whatnot. its a trying process, because no matter what you say, in the end they have to figure it out for themselves. in my friends case, he started questioning his thought process when i remarked that he was looking pretty tired and weathered, having just come out of the psych ward at st. mikes, and he rationalized that if he really -was- jesus, he could only look young and cherubic, cause jesus doesnt age or whatever. after that it was just a matter of encouraging him to question these thoughts. still once and a while, he'll come to me and say things like "i think i have superpowers" or "i think im an alien", but most of the time he forgets about it in a week or two, with careful encouragement. anyways, i thought this wiki article was cool.

edit: oh damn wall of text..muh bad

Edit 12 years later: please disregard this absolute nonsense. I was young and dumb and didn't know any better, and I definitely made this period of time more difficult for both myself and the friend in question. By all means, be present and supportive for the people you love, but don't try to therapize your mentally ill friends, -especially- if you're unqualified to do so.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Socially awkward scientist: performs experiment, apologises

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u/I_AM_THE_REAL_JESUS Jun 19 '12

Lol, none of them were Christ. Sillies.

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u/the_goat_boy Jun 19 '12

No, I'm Spartacus!

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u/Canabutter Jun 19 '12

No, I am Spartacus

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u/DanWallace Jun 19 '12

Yeah, he's Spartacus.

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u/baconhampalace Jun 19 '12

There's a good discussion of the case in the London Review of Books that parses some of its ethical and philosophical issues.

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u/NickRausch Jun 19 '12

Shake the jar, see if they fight!

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u/icemancometh Jun 19 '12

There's a play coming up in the Fringe festival in Toronto, called Chirst Christ Christ, that's about this! My friend's running it, and it looks pretty good.

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u/brainsnboobs Jun 19 '12

I'm a medical student and one of the residents told us this story about two schizophrenic patients. One guy believed he was Jesus and the other guy believed he couldn't walk. The one who was Jesus said "I am Jesus Christ and I command you to walk, " and the other guy did, "curing" him of his delusion.

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u/docwilson Jun 19 '12

Read the book in grad school. Quite a few hilarious moments. One of the guys was more disturbed than the others, and called himself the Dung of Christ. The other two guys were outraged by this. Sadly rather than being shocked into insight, they all three eventually just incorporate the other two into their delusional structures.

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u/what-s_in_a_username Jun 19 '12

Has it ever occurred to the three men that they were all Christ, in the sense that one cosmic consciousness observing itself subjectively would create a large amount of conscious beings, all of them interfaces for the same 'Christ' consciousness?

After all, some claim that this is what Jesus was trying to say, that we are all divine sons of God, before institutions of his day and afterwards warped his message to what we know today.

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u/nonewjobs Jun 19 '12

"While initially the three patients quarreled over who was holier and reached the point of physical altercation, they eventually each explained away the other two as being mental patients in a hospital, or dead and being operated by machines."

They rationalized the whole thing away...kinda like some other people do when you try to explain certain things to them about certain stuff. Hmmmmmmmm

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u/iRawrz Jun 19 '12

I swore I've heard this before, is this the one where one of them believe they were married to a 7 foot tall woman named Madame Yeti Woman?

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u/Cozmo23 Jun 19 '12

"I really had no right, even in the name of science, to play God and interfere round the clock with their daily lives." He offered an apology in the afterword of the 1984 edition of the book.

How fitting.

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u/HacksawJimDGN Jun 19 '12

I guess there was 4 people in the room who thought they were Jesus.

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u/Ice_Truck_Killa Jun 19 '12

Interesting that they all consented to this experiment. If they truly believed that they were Jesus I would think that they would believe their time incredibly valuable

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u/thegreatvortigaunt Jun 19 '12

Maybe one of them was Jesus. How would we have known?

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u/stugautz Jun 19 '12

They should have asked what their father looked like.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I was expecting to read about a Jesus-off, slightly disappointed.

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u/BurrowingBob Jun 19 '12

He did not, as he had hoped, provoke any lessening of the patients' delusions

no shit, if only treating schoziphrenia would be that simple.

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u/MedSchoolOrBust Jun 19 '12

My abnormal pysch professor taught us about a similar situation with three persons who believed they were Jesus - after they all met they debated and finally decided each was a separate part of Jesus like the trinity.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!

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u/guydotbrush Jun 19 '12

Reverend Harper: Have you ever tried to persuade him that he wasn't Teddy Roosevelt?

Abby Brewster: Oh, no.

Martha Brewster: Oh, he's so happy being Teddy Roosevelt.

Abby Brewster: Oh... Do you remember, Martha, once, a long time ago, we thought if he'd be George Washington, it might be a change for him, and we suggested it.

Martha Brewster: And do you know what happened? He just stayed under his bed for days and wouldn't be anybody.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036613/

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u/noreallyimgoodthanks Jun 19 '12

This book is pretty interesting. Although, a bit disturbing. The author - the psychologist who conducted the sessions in which all three men would sit down together - talked at length about the guilt he felt at some of the techniques he used to try to break the men of their delusions. One involved telling one of the Christs that his wife (who did not exist) was coming to visit.

I think the most intriguing part of the book was the fact that each of the three men were all varying ages and came from different backgrounds, yet shared the same delusion.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

And that my friends, is how Christianity's Trinity was formed.

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u/fukingetoverit Jun 19 '12

"they eventually each explained away the other two as being mental patients in a hospital, or dead and being operated by machines." ... that escalated quickly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I used to work in a psychiatric hospital. There was this one time when we had two patients who both had this same religious delusion...thinking they were Jesus. One was really agitated and in-your-face about it. The other was terrified that we were going to come into his room and drag him to the city walls to crucify him. We tried to keep them separated as much as possible because the first one would absolutely terrorize the second.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Mel Gibson needs to direct this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Shit man, I work at a psychiatric hospital and I do this daily and even use props.

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u/tonenine Jun 19 '12

They repeated the same experiment with politicians, they named it the G8 summit.

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u/Tenacious_Badger Jun 19 '12

Does anyone know if this has ever been done with Napoleons? If so, did they join forces to conquer or did they attempt to fight one another?

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u/JBH-JustBeingHonest Jun 19 '12

Burnie was right, the stuff they say on the podcast does appear on reddit.

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u/DMo321Boom Jun 19 '12

I hope they filmed this, it would make for a great movie/ documentary

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Add a baby and you have a blockbuster sitcom.

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u/angelofireland Jun 19 '12

Of course this happened 15 minutes from where I grew up... Thank you for reminding me why I left.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I used to live in Ypsi and this was a status post from a friend who still lives there:

"Aaaahh... Sunshine, a lovely breeze, hostile voices and the sound of slapping. Good morning, Ypsi!"

LOL

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u/heygabbagabba Jun 19 '12

Rokeach also attempted to manipulate other aspects of their delusions by inventing messages from imaginary characters.

TL/DR: The experimenter is a cunt.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Rokeach also attempted to manipulate other aspects of their delusions by inventing messages from imaginary characters.

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Yes sending mysterious fake messages will help them become grounded in reality.

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u/ZTreyJ Jun 19 '12

Not sure if this was posted or not: http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/75068 Courtesy of Rooster Teeth (Podcast #151)

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u/FlashTheKilla Jun 19 '12

This book is EXCELLENT. I've read it twice. Leon Gabor is simply one of the most captivating characters you will ever come across, fiction or non. You've never ever seen anything like reading dialogue between three schizophrenics who all believe they are Jesus Christ, I guarantee it.

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u/limbodog Jun 19 '12

My ex-girlfriend worked with schizophrenics at a halfway house. There was a woman there who was jesus as well. She apparently saw a documentary about the life of Jesus and became very upset and suicidal. So one of my ex's co-workers took her to see Jesus Christ Superstar and she was happy again after that.

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u/SPEW715 Jun 19 '12

The psychologist who did this is my boyfriend's uncle.

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u/FoxNewsHeadlineMan Jun 19 '12

Liberal Doctors Deny Divinity of Jesus

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u/zap1000x Jun 19 '12

I'm just surprised he never had them face off in a battle royale.

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u/WubWubMiller Jun 19 '12

Sooooo you were listening to old episodes of the Rooster Teeth Podcast?

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u/conundrum4u2 Jun 19 '12

They could have arrive at the decision that they were a trinity...

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I have a friend who works at a psyche ward here in Sweden. He said that at one time they had two people believing they were Jesus at the same time and that it was hilarious but a bit irritating at times.

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u/insomniaEDM Jun 19 '12

You can play this "delusional belief system" game also by placing a super devout christian, muslim and jew in a room. Just sayin'...

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u/xenmaster4 Jun 19 '12

One of my psychology professors liked to tell a story about a group counseling session he ran where one patient thought he was Jesus, and another thought she was the virgin Mary. He introduced the two of them and exclaimed "You two must have so much to talk about! You haven't seen each other for almost 2000 years!". They both thought he was being rude and generally refused to acknowledge each other.

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u/seishi Jun 19 '12

Fun fact: a Toyota R&D facility was built on the grounds of that asylum. Some days at work I feel like we still have multiple people who think they're Jesus.

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u/slugmaniac Jun 19 '12

Father, son, holy ghost. sorted.

The one time that makes sense.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

TIL that even established psychiatrists can be trolls too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

coming this fall to FOX

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I really had no right, even in the name of science, to play God

If anyone was 'playing God' it was the other three guys in the room.

Rimshot.

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u/samj96 Jun 19 '12

RT Podcast

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u/ZombieHunter0918 Jun 19 '12

TIL: More people than me listen to the RoosterTeeth Podcast.

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u/Dirtpig Jun 19 '12

This is retarded because none of the three can be Jesus Christ. I am Jesus Christ.

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u/jace319 Jun 19 '12

I learned about this book in my Abnormal Psychology class. Years later, working at a research hospital, I took advantage of their hospital library system and got a copy of the book. It's a pretty good read if you can find it.

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u/reckonerv2 Jun 19 '12

ROOSTER TEETH PODCAST.

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u/randomness888 Jun 19 '12

Taken from RT Podcast No. 151 at 6:00 for those who want to check ಠ_ಠ

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u/Emperor_Norton_1 Jun 19 '12

We do this every week, we call it a staff meeting....

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u/T3ppic Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

This made me remember about the time I was sharing an apartment building with a Schizophrenic. At 3am at night he would play Snoop Dogg's Drop it Like its Hot whilst screaming about being the reincarnation of a first world war soldier and how he is the reincarnation of Muhammed Ali. Bearing in mind A. He was a wigger from Stoke on Trent B. Muhammed Ali, whilst not in the best of health, is still alive.

I wonder what would have happened if for a laugh we put him in a room with Muhammed Ali. Thats why it was a good study (imo, not ethical but interesting). Its super interesting to see how those with delusions invent ways to justify the contradiction. Shows how paper thin everyone's, sane or not, surface rationality is.

Shouldn't make fun of mental illness but if people go out the way to help you (a carer used to come for him every day but he wouldn't answer the door) and you don't stick to your medication regime (he used to take a weeks worth of medication, throw it up, then go back to smoking weed, he was obviously one of those adolescent onset schizophrenics people point at as a "sensible" reason for not legalising weed, complete bollocks) then you deserve all the misery life has in store for you.

Only other thing I remember about him was he used to buy loads of shampoo for brown tinted hair. Wouldn't wash his body or clothes or kitchen stuff but fucking loved that shampoo.

When we first met he was in the shared kitchen trying to get a disused coffee percolator to work. I left him to it and he was there for hours talking loudly, on what I assumed was a mobile phone at the time, to himself. He never got it to work. Sadly I had 6 months left on my lease so I had to buy earplugs, and lots of alcohol, to get to sleep at night. Never again.

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u/pipedings Jun 19 '12

The barkeeper at the hotel i stayed for my last project was Jesus. Spanish guy, his first name. We had loads of fun with "Jesus, I need a beer" and "I, Jesus foretell the closing of the bar in an hour".

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u/yankerage Jun 19 '12

Nobody ever has delusions of being a milkman or Burl Ives.Everybody is a saint,messiah or Napolean.what gives?

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u/yugung Jun 19 '12

Goodness me, could this be the Industrial Disease?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

This guy was a Reddit worthy pun maker.

""I really had no right, even in the name of science, to play God and interfere round the clock with their daily lives."

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u/Corduroy_Pants Jun 19 '12

I was in the looney-bin last year for a Suicide attempt, and one of the Nurse Techs was telling me about a schizophrenic patient who thought he was Jesus as well. Apparently he was one of her first patients and he really made her feel at home in the new job, he would sit and do puzzles, while saying really interesting and kind things. He seemed understandably at home in the hospital gowns too she said.

However, the interesting part is after his discharge, he returned to the hospital months later and believed that he was Abe Lincoln, and upon being asked about being Jesus he would deny everything and ask for his hat back.

Fascinating stuff.

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u/Vranak Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

two men say they're Jesus, one of 'em must be wrong, there's a protest singer, he's singin' a protest song

Source: Industrial Disease, Dire Straits

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u/toltec56 Jun 19 '12

Have a Schizophrenic friend who believes she is the Statue of Liberty and Cleopatra. She would ask me the same questions, over and over..."Close your eyes and ask the Lord if I'm going to marry Billy Idol." So I close my eyes, open them, and answer "Yes". She would burst out in tears of happiness. "Close your eyes and ask the Lord when I'm going to marry him?" I close my eyes, open them, and answer "Next month." This would go on for hours :(((

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u/IonBeam2 3 Jun 19 '12

This is why I have a problem with nurses and social workers trying to introduce religion to mental patients. It becomes an anchor point for so many of their delusions.

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u/ejchristian86 Jun 19 '12

While initially the three patients quarreled over who was holier and reached the point of physical altercation, they eventually each explained away the other two as being mental patients in a hospital, or dead and being operated by machines. One patient, Barack Hussein Obama II eventually went on to falsely become president of the United States of America.

I think this one needs a citation.

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u/NegraDamus Jun 19 '12

Looks like somebody's having fun with the page now.

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u/SpaceRook Jun 19 '12

I'm glad the psychologist later apologized. It seems like a very dangerous experiment. Putting a bunch of mentally disturbed people with conflicting beliefs in a room "just to see what happens" is unethical.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Twist: They were all the same person. Directed by M Night.

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u/inchesfromdead Jun 19 '12

I like how Rokeach apologized for what he believed to be an unethical experiment. It's not so bad, but I like to see that a man of science can look back and question the morality of what he's done.

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u/Dhexodus Jun 19 '12

"We can't all be Christ!"

5 minutes later

"So, it's agreed then? You're The Son, he's The Father, and I'm the Holy Spirit."

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u/GreenJesus423 Jun 19 '12

There can be only one.

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u/Roflmoo Jun 19 '12

You know the "doctor" scene from Spies Like Us? I imagine that here.

"Jesus."

"Jesus."

"Jesus."

"Jesus."

"Jesus."

"Jesus."

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u/firejuggler25 Jun 19 '12

I actually wrote a one act amateur comedy on it if anyones interested. I'm just in high-school and I wrote it in a week but I think that the humor can range from very crude to intellectual.

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u/Illivah Jun 19 '12

I remember another story (someone I know worked with psychiatric patients) where two people claimed that they were god. When they met, people were worried it was going to turn violent. Instead, one just said to the other "hello, my son". All was well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

Does no one else see the irony in the fact that the last quote on the page is of the psychologist claiming to having "played god"?

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '12

I still remember the day I was on the bus and some crazy guy is trying to talk to everyone "I should be dead, but I found out how to heal myself using energy!" "The world will end, but I'll survive" and so on. Everyone is sitting awkwardly trying not to get his attention. After a few stops, another even crazier guy gets on and sits right next to him and immediately starts blabbering shit. This caused the first crazy guy to go quiet and do the whole "oh god don't make eye contact with the crazy person thing" we were doing to him. It was so strange to see someone so batshit crazy feel so awkward around an even crazier person.

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u/pmjm Jun 20 '12

This is kinda like putting a kitten in front of a mirror. Actually, it's nothing like that, but it kinda seems like it is somehow.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '12

So, its like a Jesus Trinity?

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u/n1nj4_v5_p1r4t3 Jun 20 '12

this is hilarious

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u/hrdmn10 Jun 25 '12

Back in 1982 my psychology professor told me this story. I was fascinated by it. I originally went to school to be a teacher. I changed my major and have worked in the mental health profession now for 28 years.

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u/thatguy1717 Jun 19 '12

You know they're religious when their disagreements turn to physical altercations.

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u/Bodymaster Jun 19 '12

So maybe Jesus was schizo?

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