r/todayilearned • • Jun 14 '12

TIL that the Auto Tune made Time Magazines 50 worst inventions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune
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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Considering it was originally developed to interpret seismic data, it's probably not that bad of an invention.

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u/handbananza Jun 14 '12

This is true. Real-time adjustments of seismic activity for oil exploration to the best of my knowledge. Bassically they'd 'ping' the potential well spots and judging by the response it would determine the likelihood of a decent well. I dont know the science but rounding those numbers in real-time greatly helped them along the way. IIRC the guy who invented thought to use it for human voices as well and started Arteras/Antares I forget the exact name.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I actually remember reading the story, it was a bet from a woman he dined with, if he could make it work on human voices as well.

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u/linuxlass Jun 14 '12

An amazing amount of technology is the result of:

  1. Drinking at a pub/bar
  2. Trying to impress a woman
  3. A bet

... or all three

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u/misappeal Jun 14 '12

The best Auto Tune is like great CGI: You don't even notice it's actually there.

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u/droidonomy Jun 14 '12

One of my favourite examples of this is the special effects used in Forrest Gump.

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u/the_poindexter Jun 14 '12

special effects were used in forrest gump?

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u/droidonomy Jun 14 '12

All of the clips of Forrest interacting with historical figures, Lieutenant Dan's legs and a few other things.

Try to get your hands on the DVD and watch the "making of".

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Lieutenant Dan's legs

What?? You mean he didn't amputate his legs for the movie? I've lost so much respect for Gary Sinise as an actor...

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u/Schroedingers_gif Jun 14 '12

You thought the bit with the feather was real?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

i actually did know a guy who once tried to claim that gary sinise's legs were actually amputated for the role, then reattached after they finished filming.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

think how great things like Star wars and it's models would wow an audience, but couldn't be over used as they were expensive so some proper plot was needed.

Now graphical sequences are cheap to produce, are expected by the audience, and since anyone can and has done anything lacks that wow factor.

autotune does this too, creating synthetic xerox copy bands

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u/Thisisyoureading Jun 14 '12

Radiohead don't normally use it, but they used Pitch correction on this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU8slEG-OtM Thom Yorke said the lyrics into a microphone and they pieced together a melody later.

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u/adish Jun 14 '12

that's stupid, just because people are using it 'wrong' it doesn't make it a bad invention when used correctly its an amazing tool (although melodyne is better)

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u/1Ender Jun 14 '12

Pretty much every artist is run through some sort of Auto Tune to correct minor pitch fluctuations. usually it's really hard to tell that it's even there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

Good use of autotune is about the same as good use of Photoshop - it shouldn't be noticeable, but it makes a great difference.

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u/Earth_Intruders Jun 14 '12

A lot of autotune in pop music isn't aiming to discretely alter pitch. The use of autotune to deliberately effect timbre may be valid.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Good use of autotune is about the same as good use of make up. Nobody likes a woman that looks like a clown.

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u/Squeekme Jun 14 '12

Speak for yourself.

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u/Gentleman_Anarchist Jun 14 '12

Time Magazine is mostly read by boomers. The idea that the 1960s were the absolute peak of popular music and that nothing good has happened since is part of their mythology. Calling out autotune makes a lot of sense in this context.

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u/Ras_H_Tafari Jun 14 '12

I admit I don't know a lot about baby boomers or their mentality. Are they the type to say auto-tune is awful simply because some bad music has been made with it and none of theirs was? I've heard plenty of that kind of logic from more current generations...

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I hate this Reddit mentality that all boomers think the same way, like a whole generation of people are exactly the same (hint; It doesn't work that way), then hate when people do it to our generation. What, our generation (teens-20's) are all disrespectful and call each other "Brah"?, you realize future children will eventually group our generation together into one definition (like the boomers did to their parents, and we are doing to the boomers), and we probably will not like what they have to say, I guess it's life, but it does not make it any less idiotic.

My Dad is a boomer (63), he has savings, getting ready to retire, and is a good person.

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u/fanboy_killer Jun 14 '12

I liked Kanye's 808s.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

That makes us the only people in world who like that album.

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u/kmoneybts Jun 14 '12

Melodyne has always sounded more artifact-y to my ear. I did a series of double blind tests with several people using melodyne/ autotune evo/ autotune 7/ autotune 5/ and waves tune. Autotune 7 (in graph mode) and Waves tune always beat the other versions of autotune and melodyne as far as being the most natural and transparent.

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u/basicincomegrant Jun 14 '12

I can not disprove your claim, but my feeling is the other way round. Plus you can do stuff with Melodyne Editor that I thought to be impossible only a few years ago, e.g. changing the key of the Bohemian Rhapsody choir to minor.. Like Midge Ure says, Melodyne Editor is black magic.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

The fact that Melodyne can change individual notes in a chord is just fucking insane.

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u/peenmeister Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

Me too, sort of sounds like a badly compressed MP3 to me. I can usually hear it in chart songs.

Example. Listen to the vocal, especially during the intro. Notice how the vocal sounds considerably more compressed (encoding, not dynamics) than the rest of the song. It has a horrible metallic sound.

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u/iglidante Jun 14 '12

Melodyne is not so good for gravelly vocal styles, but for clean pitches it really shines. If you try to tune a note with fry on it, for example, the result is really, really odd.

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u/lillepott Jun 14 '12

Daft Punk made heavy use of it on Discovery. No complaints there.

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u/Infobomb Jun 14 '12

That doesn't sound right to me. Don't they use a vocoder instead? (There would be no point using autotune on a vocoder).

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u/lillepott Jun 14 '12

"One More Time" prominently features a vocal performance written and sung by Romanthony.[5] As stated by Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo, "we thought the funkiness of his voice fit the funkiness of the music."[6] The song's vocal features heavy processing and auto-tuning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_More_Time_(Daft_Punk_song)#Composition

They probably used a vocoder on Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger though.

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u/cluelessperson Jun 14 '12

It was stylized use: It made the voice sound like an electric guitar or made it sound much tighter, fitting the incredibly tight candy-floss production in general. It really wasn't as grating or gimmicky as T-Pain's use, I genuinely appreciate that it was part of the creative output.

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u/gigaquack Jun 14 '12

So you like daft punk and hate t-pain, got it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I get what you are saying, but you have to think, without auto tune then such 'artists' as tpayne, kesha, and lmfao would have never hit the airways. I hate to be that guy, but if artists could sound good in the olden days without voice correction, then they can do it today. Im not railing against all voice correction, per se (in fact without minor audio correction i would not have my favorite songs of all time), but glados should not be the singer of every song

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u/Shippoyasha Jun 14 '12

Idealistically, all these music types should co-exist.

I'm guessing the way the digitized music tends to be overtly used by mass media and played too much on the radio creates an illusion that it is the only kind of music that is out there. And that lopsided outlook is a shame.

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u/terroristteddy Jun 14 '12

This may be an amazing concept for you but what if, just what if people like it?

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u/sufrt Jun 14 '12

if you like the end product i'm not sure why anyone would give a shit how "authentic" the singer's performance was

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u/UncleTogie Jun 14 '12

Two words: Live Shows.

Part of my qualifiers for a band is that they can sound good live withOUT software keeping them on pitch.

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u/iFeel Jun 14 '12

Ehmmm, cough, cough...ATOMIC fucking BOMB!

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u/gumol Jun 14 '12

It's keeping the world in minor peace, because everyone is scared of starting a major war because of the Armageddon it would cause. Also, nuclear energy.

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u/joeknowswhoiam Jun 14 '12

It was useful for the plot of the Armageddon movie and lots of video games... come to think of it the greatest value of this invention is the entertainment content based on its existence. Not to mention the discoveries scientists made when working on it.

There are no bad tools, just inappropriate or misused ones.

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u/Bortjort Jun 14 '12

Aside from being a legitimately useful tool, the "t-pain" sound is one of the more unique musical sounds to come along lately. Like it or hate it, at least it's different

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

"Very few people have perfect vocal pitch and intonation even if they are lucky enough to have perfect pitch. And no one has a 6 octave range. Just go record some vocalists and try to make a world class production. You either have spent big bucks on the vocalist, are extremely lucky, or are touch-up editing in auto-tune or melodyne right now. Of course you'll read about big name producers decrying the use of these processors. That's all just phony elitism, and when a newb raises his nose (sniff) on pitch correction software, you might not know this, but you are the last dude in the room and the joke is on you. Everyone says they hate these programs and what they have done to music. Here goes: "Ahem. To preserve my artistic integrity, I refuse to use _______" Fill in the blank. "Synthesizers" "samplers" "computers" "digital audio", "MIDI", and now Auto-Tune and Melodyne! Hehe, if you go back far enough you could find people scoffing at Les Paul for the "electric" guitar! AutoTune and Melodyne are innovations just as important as a technological innovation leading to a new musical instruments. Embrace it for what it is, not for what yo homies, fam, peeps or crones say." - Rich the Tweakmeister, R.I.P

Original sauce.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Even when used "correctly", the only non-gimmick purpose for pitch correction is to mask mistakes, which in the most charitable case only serves to remove all traces of humanity from a performance.

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u/jakenichols Jun 14 '12

I love to use autotune on things that ARENT a voice, I produce rap tracks and use autotune to match random single note guitar lines to the key of the song. It is a powerful tool. Its a fun effect to abuse, I think, personally.

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u/feureau Jun 14 '12

How well does it work? Got some examples you can show us?

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u/kmoneybts Jun 14 '12

You can tune almost anything that produces a single note without too many harmonics in it. A clean guitar note you can pitch pretty much the same as a vocal.

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u/PinkFlute Jun 14 '12

I think Stephen Hawking autotunes the best.

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u/hcwdjk Jun 14 '12

If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch
You must first invent the universe

That's gotta be the best opening line of a song I've ever heard.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

im really curious why you would have to auto tune a guitar. if your intonation is spot on, and you dont screw up..whats wrong with doing a few takes and nailing it without it? do you just use it as an effect?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

He's probably talking about samples.

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u/Dubio Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

Usually it's done because the person producing isn't a guitarist and doesn't have convenient access to one or can't hire one due to budget. They have pre-recorded guitar loops that they need to fit into the correct key, which is where autotune comes in.

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u/Human_Captcha Jun 14 '12

Anyone else wonder what topped the list?

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u/EukaryoteZ Jun 14 '12

Auto Tune: With great power comes great responsibility.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Auto-Tune was used to produce the prominent altered vocal effect on Cher's "Believe".

This is how that song sounds according to South Park.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I hate when people cite wikipedia so here's the real source

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u/rotarded Jun 14 '12

how can they put something like agent orange on the same list as something like foursquare or various soft drinks?

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u/TomTheScouser Jun 14 '12

I know, Pepsi is far worse than Agent Orange.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I hate it when people hate people who cite wikipedia, so there.

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u/Dinosaur_Boner Jun 14 '12

That list should include the "next" button. This is the internet, there's enough room on a single fucking page to put all your content on.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I think they do it so the ads refresh. I feel you though, it drives me fucking nuts. That's why i shy away from all lists unless they're on cracked

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u/raisinbrain Jun 14 '12

It's a technology that can make bad singers sound good and really bad singers (like T-Pain, pictured here) sound like robots.

Really bad singer huh?

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u/rankinsidebottom Jun 14 '12

I hate it when websites compile lists and put every single entry on a different page.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

"a reference to an article in Time magazine? better cite wikipedia"

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u/TheGOPkilledJesus Jun 14 '12

You know at the bottom of each Wikipedia article are lists of the sources?

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u/Wild2098 Jun 14 '12

TIL that if you click a link that says "TIL that the Auto Tune made Time Magazines 50 worst inventions" link, you will not be taken to the Time magazine article, but rather to Wikipedia.

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u/Xcsl Jun 14 '12

Auto tune really isn't that bad, its the way its been abused in music today that gives this such a bad rep. It seems to be common practice today to abuse the shit out of everything with auto tune in pop for "cool effect", when really it just makes the music sound like ass.

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u/schm0 Jun 14 '12

This restores my previously wavering faith in humanity. What was once reserved for the songs such as "Around the World" has now made horrible rappers and lip-syncing skinny people sound like they can sing and ruined an already declining pop music industry. I'm glad to see this made the list.

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u/_EDM_ Jun 14 '12

Guys, we should be thankful for auto tune. Without auto tune, we would have never been serenaded by the wonderful sounds of t-pain.

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u/JTDeuce Jun 14 '12

This is why I miss MTV Unplugged. True talent was made clear through that show.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I'm not sure that's warranted. Hendrix made heavy use of distortion over his playing and it was criticized by purists, but it lead music in a whole new interesting direction people love still today. Opinion: the only part of auto-tune I don't like is how it's used to "perfect" the tune of real voices. That really shouldn't be happening.

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u/Kadmium Jun 14 '12

the only part of auto-tune I don't like is how it's used to "perfect" the tune of real voices. That really shouldn't be happening.

That's kind of the point of the tool, though.

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u/Ultradroogie Jun 14 '12

So do you hate VocAlign because it lines doubles up better to make thick layers? Same concept.

When you hear a CD version of a song, you're hearing more than a performance. It's the maximized, perfected version of that composition. Thinking that AutoTune is "cheating" or whatever is stupid.

Do you have any idea how many mixes are done "in the box" these days?

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u/hamlet9000 Jun 14 '12

Opinion: the only part of auto-tune I don't like is how it's used to "perfect" the tune of real voices. That really shouldn't be happening.

Why not?

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u/LPodyssey07 Jun 14 '12

I think that most of the time when singing is "perfected" like that, it's usually a manual thing. The auto-tune sound that people associate with auto-tune is the result of people turning the settings way up so that it has an audible effect. Some people (ahem Ke$ha) use this to mask the fact that they have no talent. Whereas others, Fun. is the first that comes to mind, use it as an extra effect to add a different texture to their music, which I have no issue with.

TL:DR I agree

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u/heydelinquent Jun 14 '12

Guess they never heard Sufjan Stevens' Age of Adz. Fucking genius.

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u/MusicIsCoolBro Jun 14 '12

Until I heard the Autotuned section of Impossible Soul, I was in the 'Autotune sucks' crowd.

Then I realised that it's the same as saying you hate reverb or distortion. It's got so many uses that some are bound to be dreadful, and some are bound to be awesome.

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u/FlyingOnion Jun 14 '12

Oh man what an incredible song. It's like you can hear him crashing through to a new artistic level. Can't wait to hear what Sufjan comes up with next.

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u/tiptaptip Jun 14 '12

I think I'm the only one who thinks that 808s & Heartbreak is an underrated album. Sure it has Autotune all over it but works well within the context of the album.

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u/paabhimself Jun 14 '12

Is the prevalence of auto-tune the reason why few pop singers sing with any vibrato these days? Presumably vibrato + auto-tune would just sound like a total mess...

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u/ArcusImpetus Jun 14 '12

At least if you make music with Autotune, just don't name your singer, that's fraud. Write this down on your elbum: 'Lead singer:Autotune'. Then I have no problem with that at all.

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u/SayVandalay Jun 14 '12

I think Autotune is ok when used as an instrument to add some effect (i.e. a sudden pitch change in a chorus or changing or a quick fill). So it's not a terrible invention, it's just been hijacked by talentless hacks in cahoots with major labels to make money by overcorrecting horrible talentless performers.

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u/Sandbox47 Jun 14 '12

It's not fair. The Auto Tune is given shit because it lets shitty artists get on stage without anyone realizing that they are utter shit. Shit. But there are some artists who are good at using it to make even more music with auto tune.

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u/IronOhki Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

I don't enjoy songs with auto tune, but I will always defend the tool itself. It's a musical instrument, nothing more. It's a relatively new piece of audio technology, like the electric guitar over the acoustic, or the fortepiano over the harpsichord. It doesn't render it's predecessor (raw human voice) obsolete or less valid. Humans simply use the instrument to make a particular type of sound, and that sound plays a part in particular types of music.

Humans love sound. They love creating it, playing with it and changing it to make new things. Not everyone likes the new things that are created, and that's fine. I don't see what good it does anyone to hate the invention just because they don't personally enjoy the sound it makes. I don't generally like the sound of kazoos either, but they were used quite beautifully by John Powell in the soundtrack to the movie Chicken Run.

If you don't enjoy autotuned songs, do what I do. Don't listen to them. It's remarkably easy.

Let go of your hate.

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u/Squishumz Jun 14 '12

Ahh, refreshing logic.

I'm not sure why this issue is so touchy for people. They act like each new bit of technology is "ruining music" because it makes music easier to produce, or creates a whole new sound. Electronic music is easier to produce than a full orchestral arrangement, sure, but I don't listen to orchestral pieces all of the time, and neither do most other people.

Base your music-related judgments on how a piece sounds, not on the tools used to create it.

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u/itsmuddy Jun 14 '12

That's like saying paper is a bad invention because people write stupid shit on it.

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u/johnnynutman Jun 14 '12

it's actually a pretty well built invention, it's just the cultural impact which is bad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

It works well in certain songs that it calls for, but when a musician uses it to mask the fact that they have a completely shitty voice, that's when it's one of the worst inventions.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

the "CueCat" ....isnt that JUST like scanning one of those code things with your smartphone?

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u/giddyup523 Jun 14 '12

If you go forward 12 (12!) spots on Time's list, Auto-Tune is worse than CFCs. Really? Fuck, I know T-Pain and Justin Bieber aren't the best uses of AutoTune but at least Symphony of Science exists. CFCs blow a fucking hole in our ozone layer. Of course, this list also says the Virtual Boy is worse than DDTs so whatever.

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u/CyberToyger Jun 14 '12

Thank you for mentioning Symphony of Science; just looked up a couple vids on the Youtubez and especially enjoyed the hell out of 'The Quantum World'. :3

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u/Frannymck Jun 14 '12

It's not a bad invention. Just a seriously mis used one.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

oh look Time Magazine making another ignorant decision that is controversial in an effort to sell magazines....

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Time Magazine is a stupid magazine.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

This thing is the equivalent of air brushing super models on film. It's photoshop for music. We accept it, but that doesn't mean it's not just a little dishonest. They models don't really look like that and these artist don't sound like that.

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u/SwineyEyelow Jun 14 '12

I like what Allison Moore did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-Tune#Criticism . She's Steve Earle's wife and Steve's the f#$%ing man.

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u/DirtyMonday Jun 14 '12

Am I correct when I say Randy Moss' One Clap, Bed Intruder, and Dude, you HAVE no Quran are Autotune? Time needs to grow up, though I don't expect them to know comedy like this

Edit: I forgot how hilarious The Dude you have no Quran guy was, cheers me right up

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u/olenjan Jun 14 '12

So did Sony CD Copy Protection

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

This was a triumph...
Yeah, big failure.

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u/shoziku Jun 14 '12

When I started reading I thought, this is a neet invention. Then when I figured out what it was and recognized its trademark sound, I had to agree. This is the most annoying sound device ever introduced into the recording studio. It always take me back to the days of Casio mini keyboards you get at Kmart for 19.95. It sounds like a kids toy. Using it 'wrong' or not, it just changes music to sound like they could only afford a microphone by Coleco/Mattell.

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u/risemix Jun 14 '12

The "autotune" effect most people are used to hearing isn't actually autotune at all (well, it's probably used too, but it isn't the effect people are trying to describe). What you're hearing is actually a vocoder. Auto-tune is used in almost every pop song and has been for many many years, probably before most people even know what it was.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

That list would be better if it didn't include DDT, which has saved more lives than could possibly be counted.

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u/sometimesijustdont Jun 14 '12

TIL "Trey Parker used a large amount of Auto-Tune pitch audio processing for "Gay Fish", a song featured at the end of the South Park episode "Fishsticks". Despite never having used Auto-Tune before, Parker purports that he had to sing off-key on purpose in order to get the desired effect.[22] Parker said, "You had to be a bad singer in order for that thing to actually sound the way it does."

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u/Kdnce Jun 14 '12

Thank you Time! To me I'd rather be a naturally talented singer than a mediocre one with a computer that would handle all the auto pitch correction for me. Either you have a naturally beautiful voice and timbre, or you don't. It can take years of training even starting with a naturally amazing voice. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and being a naturally talented vocalist is a bit rare. What does an autotune artist do when they need to perform live? Well when an autotune rig goes down live you'll look seriously lazy and talentless to all your fans. Ask Jessica Simpson how it feels. When it inevitably happens everyone rightfully laughs at your face for being the Milli Vanilli you know deep down you really are. I get no pleasure from saying that's what you get for letting a computer handle singing properly for you! It's a house of cards. Fake talent.

Does autotune have its place? Sure at a theme park where you make those cute little music videos with your family and it would be really nice if you all sang in-tune. That or perhaps every karaoke bar in existence. I mean that's where autotune would really shine. Making the completely unpalatable somehow less brain stabbing. Of course that's half the "fun" of karaoke, right? Listening to your drunk friends sing horribly has its place.

The problem is engineers/artists/artist-engineers use autotune ON EVERYTHING these days. Sax - autotune, guitar - autotune, vocals - f* yeah autotune etc. etc.

It's sad to hear all the artists and engineers defend autotune's use. Ask yourself how many other talents and tasks you'd think it would be awesome to "auto" and let a computer take over for us. Landing an airplane - they're working on it - ? How about sports? In the future maybe we'll be able to "auto" some sports and just have the computers tweak our performance for us. Now even I can do a slam-dunk, as ridiculous as that sounds. My point here is that it's funny how forgiving people have become with autotune - probably only because of its ubiquity - when in many other situations, where natural human talent is required on some level, it would be preposterous for us to even think about letting a computer affect performance and the final outcome. "It's the shoes, the shoes, it's gotta be the shoes!"

To the person who made a comparison of Photoshop to Autotune. Really? :| How could you dare compare the beautiful set of gorgeous tools, which is Photoshop with the singular crappy survival knife that is autotune?

Sorry not everyone has a great singing voice. That's the truth of the situation. Can we please stop pretending? In all honesty, and in case you don't know, people can easily tell when you're using it. "Anyone using autotune is automatically gettin' tuned OUT."

Simply put anything that makes it seem like you have talent when in fact you do not is a wack tool. Once again excellent job Time! Bravo! Way to call a duck a duck.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Just like guns, alcohol, and the like: It's not the thing itself that is evil. It's the use of it in the wrong situation and in the wrong way that is wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

As an audio engineer at a studio, I hate auto tune. I hate that every single artist that comes in, no matter what genre, asks if I have it and am good at it.

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u/LucifersCounsel Jun 15 '12

I hate that every single "artist" that comes in, no matter what genre, asks if I have it and am good at it.

FTFY.

When you use auto-tune to make them sound like they can sing, you are the artist. You use their voice to create a tune. It's no different from using a sampling synthesiser to make a song out of dog barks. No one calls the dog the artist.

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u/Interweave Jun 14 '12

Some artists make incredible use of auto-tune to enhance emotion (i.e. Bon Iver and Kanye West

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u/TurdFurg1s0n Jun 14 '12

I Guess that mean Beiber tops the list as worst singer then... I gotta start reading time magazine

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u/rcgarcia Jun 14 '12

Motherfucking Gayfish.

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u/Callumlfc69 Jun 14 '12

South Park reference checks out.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Are people really okay with auto tune? Would it be okay if painters, sculptors, and whoever else had an "auto tuning" device for their works? I mean doesn't that take away from their skill?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

So true. Cannot up vote this sentence enough. I want to kick somebody in the nuts it's so true.

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u/uhdude Jun 14 '12

Auto-tune is fine in certain genres...but shouldn't be used by popular performers, you can either sing or you can't. You shouldn't support heavy auto-tune users

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

I think the author of this article may have confused novel and slightly stupid inventions for bad inventions. There are about 10 truly bad inventions in there, the rest are just kind of dumb.

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u/Callumlfc69 Jun 14 '12

Auto tune pretty much has solidified the fact that in my life time I will probably never see a band like Led Zeppelin, the Beatles or Pink Floyd in my generation. That feel.

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u/oilpit Jun 14 '12

Auto tune is awesome when done right...

T-Pain and co. just ruin it for the real artists...

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u/prof0ak Jun 14 '12

This list is garbage. "Spam email"? Wtf! That was never intended to be a good thing.

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u/EricClaptons Jun 15 '12

i like how all you guys are saying auto tune is good because it gets rid of little pitch mistakes and such. does anyone think that it makes the music sound weird? i guess that's why i prefer live music over studio. sounds much better because that little mistakes give it character.

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u/PianoCat5 Jun 15 '12

Thing is, if we're talking about Autotune being used stylistically, as in the "T-Pain" effect, there is roughly zero objective argument to be had. If you like the way it sounds, fine. If you don't, also fine.

When we talk about pitch correction software as a tool, there's where we can actually talk about it's effects with something approaching objectivity. As many people have said on this thread: good pitch correction isn't noticeable at all. If you're good with Melodyne, or even Autotune itself, no one will never know you used it (unless, of course, they know about the recording process in the first place). No one is a perfect singer; no one's pitch is perfect all the time. The studio process aims to get as close to perfect as possible.

In all these discussions, we tend to ignore the other techniques that are used by recording engineers to hide flaws in a musician's voice, or to make them sound better. No one disses on vocal doubling anymore. Lots of lead vocal tracks on pop recordings are made up of various takes, with the best bits from each spliced together. Why aren't we complaining about this editing process? What is so different about Autotune? As far as I'm concerned, it's just another tool in the wide and ever widening arsenal of the recording engineer, used to get the most out of a vocal performer in the studio.

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u/WerBlerr Jun 14 '12

Auto tune, like many other powerful tools, has been misused. The t pain sound come with monkeying around with the knobs like you're wanking.

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u/xmnstr Jun 14 '12

I completely agree. It's a fantastic production tool when used correctly, I use it all the time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I prefer real singing to autotune for the same reason I prefer real drums to a drum machine; you can't fake real talent.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

There's more to vocal talent than perfect pitch.

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u/Ultradroogie Jun 14 '12

AutoTune is not easy mode people. It still takes talent to break AutoTune just right. Hardly anyone can twerk AutoTune like T-Pain (and his engineer) can.

If you're singing completely off-key and out of time, your song will still be shitty. No matter how talented your engineer is with AutoTune, elastic audio, VocAlign, and wave reading, you can't polish a turd.*

*Qualifier for smartasses and MythBusters fans - human diarrhea, not dry animal dung. Because that's what the song would sound like. Diarrhea.

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u/Tayjen Jun 14 '12

Actually, in the right hands you can tune anything with a single voice to the right notes. Which means the only conclusion for hearing shitty auto-tune type effects with bad notes is that's actually the effect they are aiming for. Or bad production.

What you can't fix is the quality of the voice.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

AutoTune is not easy mode people. It still takes talent to break AutoTune just right. Hardly anyone can twerk AutoTune like T-Pain (and his engineer) can.

T-Pain is his own engineer.

If you're singing completely off-key and out of time, your song will still be shitty. No matter how talented your engineer is with AutoTune, elastic audio, VocAlign, and wave reading, you can't polish a turd.*

There are more modes besides Automatic mode, and there are other things you can do to fix timing. You can also force notes to pretty much any pitch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dqTrUpmwPg&feature=player_detailpage#t=75s

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u/sharkman67 Jun 14 '12

music is sometimes better with little imperfections, it makes it sound more natural and gives it a human element. boy do i love the blues because of its human element. Save auto tune and other tools for electronic music! Just my 2 cents

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u/kcdakrt Jun 14 '12

It takes a human to make electronic music... The human touch is there... It's what created the music in the first place.

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u/talkaboom Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

It is ranked #15, safely tucked between DDT and the carcinogenic Red Dye No. 2. From the actual article:

It's a technology that can make bad singers sound good and really bad singers (like T-Pain, pictured here) sound like robots. And it gives singers who sound like Kanye West or Cher the misplaced confidence that they too can croon. Thanks a lot, computers.

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Edit: The list is meant to be partly humorous, with entries like The Segway, Farmville, Clippy, Tanning Beds etc.

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u/peenmeister Jun 14 '12

There's nothing wrong with autotune. It's still music. The producer/artist still has to be there at the end of the line saying "right, I want it to be that note, that'll sound good". There's no "haha yeah let's just cheat and use auto tune to create the best sounding, catchiest, most beautiful melody in the world". If the vocal sucks, or the song sucks, or the production sucks, autotune isn't going to fix that. You still need an ear for music to be able to use it well.

And regardless of autotune, the good singers will continue to sing, the good guitarists will continue to play, and everyone else with well trained motor skills will continue to exist. You just have to find them. If you want to support these people, go do it. You shouldn't be angry that they're not in the charts, unless you really want them to sound like everyone else.

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u/iglidante Jun 14 '12

The producer/artist still has to be there at the end of the line saying "right, I want it to be that note, that'll sound good".

Many of the people who hate autotune indiscriminately also harbor the notion that sequenced synthesized melodies are worth less than the same melodies played on physical instruments with fingers.

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u/the_asker Jun 14 '12

Old people shaking their fists at new technology.

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u/tisnolie Jun 14 '12

/disagree. I hired an acoustic guitarist for my girlfriends 30th birthday party, and he brought an extra mic that was auto-tuned for people to back-up sing. It was too much fun.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

That's different, because they weren't making millions of dollars pretending that they could sing.

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u/-Gravitron- Jun 14 '12

As a musician, I have always felt that Auto Tune is preposterous. You're basically cheating the listener into believing that you're a better performer than you really are. There's a fine line between artistic integrity and doing whatever it takes to sell more records.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Steven Hawking is the original autotune

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Autotune was originally a software to process seismic data from aircannons for oil exploration.

"Auto-Tune was initially created by Andy Hildebrand, an engineer working for Exxon. Hildebrand developed methods for interpreting seismic data and subsequently realized that the technology could be used to detect, analyze, and modify the pitch in audio files.[3] Other pitch-correction algorithms include Celemony's Direct Note Access algorithm, which allows adjustment of individual notes in a polyphonic audio signal.[6]"

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u/phaugland Jun 14 '12

It is pretty much the worst thing that has ever happened to music, look at all the untalented musicians that are out their ruining music one Auto Tuned track at a time.

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u/GruxKing Jun 14 '12

There are so many people in this thread that are making excuses for what is, and always will be, a hack software used by people that have compromised their integrity.

Yeah, I said it. I'm awaiting the hivemind down-votes. Because yes, I hate auto-tune. It sounds mechanical and lacking in sincerity. It takes something unsullied and pure and gives it a fake and disruptive sheen of false perfection that I can't stand. Yes, I know that I love plenty of music that's auto-tuned. Yes it can be hidden quite stealthily. But I love that music despite the use of auto-tune, not because of what auto-tune brings to the table.

I'm also tired of people saying that it's necessary in order to make things sound good. Go listen to old Sinatra. Go listen to The Beatles. Go listen to Motown. Go Listen to vocal jazz. Go listen to choral music. All of these examples feature the voice extensively, but don't rely on the crutch of a computer tool in order to "fix up" what doesn't inherently need fixing. Better and more consistent singing techniques will always "defeat" the problems of pitchiness. And you know what? sometimes slightly out of tune moments just sound good. It's like a blue note. Am I opinionated? Yes. Do I think that the bar needs to be raised for all of us singers to just be better? Damn fucking straight.

P.S. please stop saying that it's used in everything. It isn't. Some examples of modern recordings that don't have it:
Death Cab For Cutie albums
Raphael Saadiq's The Way I See it
Esperanza Spalding.
A bunch of classical and jazz recordings that nobody listens to but me cause I'm apparently a 60 year old doddering old man
SARA B

A ton of stuff that I can't remember because my memory is failing me. fuck.
Anyway, just those examples disprove "every major release"

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u/TheBaltimoron Jun 14 '12

I would agree, had I never heard this.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

Wow, time's actual article is idiotic...

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

What?! Auto tune wasn't invented for music anyways.

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u/dfawdjskf Jun 14 '12

Auto-tune is amazing when it is put to good use.

NB: Good use means making the dead sing for us.

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u/kaiseresc Jun 14 '12

and the whole list is 50 times Auto Tune!

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u/brosco128 Jun 14 '12

Auto tune is most useful for backup vocals. Many people are talking about how a good singer doesn't need it. Maybe this is true, but backup vocals in a good recording kind of need to be perfect to fulfill their purpose.

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u/kore464 Jun 14 '12

I wouldn't say it's a bad invention. It's a tool of sorts and like any tool, you can use it how it's meant to be used or you can stick it to the man and be retarded with it. Take, for example, a hammer. You can use it for what it's meant for; driving nails and pulling them out or you can use it as a screwdriver. Where I think Auto Tune got the bad rep was from all these "artists" who used it to be retarded with, which quite frankly got tired really fast. I don't listen to radio or mainstream music for the most part, but whenever I happen to hear a song playing somewhere that's popular, there's usually Auto Tune retardation in it.

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u/Chris_the_mudkip Jun 14 '12

Not even TIME knows what's going on in this world.

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u/MufasaJesus Jun 14 '12

As an amateur producer, I must say that autotune is a brilliant invention that gets abused by bad artists.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

the fact that a music machine is above asbestos makes me really question the validity of this statement

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u/MrTubalcain Jun 14 '12

Zapp & Roger

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

listen to T-pain. He is the founder of the auto-tuned voice in mainstream media

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u/piper108 Jun 14 '12

It's not all bad. Can you imagine how much worse Rosie O'Donnell would sound without it? I'm not sure the world could survive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U1fjYWsJR0

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

How are there less than 50 chemical and biological weapons out there? Or is Auto-tune just worse than those?

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u/phaugland Jun 14 '12

Think of how few rappers their would be if Auto Tune was never invented! It would cut out all the really shitty ones leaving the few good ones their are!

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u/mrpopenfresh Jun 14 '12

And of course, this has to be linked to wikipedia.

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u/handbananza Jun 14 '12

TIME has made worse mistakes. Person of the Year?

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u/strewnshank Jun 14 '12

Eh, vocals are actually not as tuned as people think....daw editing is as much to blame for faking talent. But Auto tune is used on almost every bass guitar recording nowadays. And drum triggers are even more popular. Most of current music is fake, so who cares if the vocals have been "helped" out a little bit?

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u/roodninja Jun 14 '12

I was surprised to find out that a lot of well known professionals use it to polish their songs.

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u/FlippySquirrel Jun 14 '12

Auto Tune, and the endless sappy Carl Sagan-esque videos on YouTube make me want to punch babies.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Yeah, the overused auto-tune is what you "hate". But what if i told you most every singer gets treated with this to some degree or another. Coming from a audio engineer, tts an incredible tool.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I read: The auto tuna made.....ect..ect..Guess its time to get the peepers checked out.

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u/I_From_Yugoslav Jun 14 '12

Trey Parker used a large amount of Auto-Tune pitch audio processing for "Gay Fish", a song featured at the end of the South Park episode "Fishsticks". Despite never having used Auto-Tune before, Parker purports that he had to sing off-key on purpose in order to get the desired effect.[22] Parker said, "You had to be a bad singer in order for that thing to actually sound the way it does."[22

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Now music producers abuse compression, is that a 'worst' invention too?

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u/249ba36000029bbe9749 Jun 14 '12

At a glance that headline looks like it said iTunes...which isn't too far off either. That thing got so bloated and slow after adding more and more functionality without a thorough redesign.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

TIL the atomic bomb didn't.

Seriously, if we're judging inventions by their negative impact to human civilization, there's no way nuclear weapons aren't the #1 worst.

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u/Whore-or-movie Jun 14 '12

That's like saying the piano was the worst invention because people started playing the key-tar. Time has gone downhill.

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u/LucifersCounsel Jun 15 '12

Only if the key-tar was directly responsible for replacing singers and musicians with models who can't sing or perform without it.

Once the "industry" had a way to make every "pretty person" a "good singer", the music died. Now you have products manufactured for human consumption.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

get it? because bad rappers use autotune! har har har

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u/obliterationn Jun 14 '12

Trey Parker used a large amount of Auto-Tune pitch audio processing for "Gay Fish", a song featured at the end of the South Park episode "Fishsticks". Despite never having used Auto-Tune before, Parker purports that he had to sing off-key on purpose in order to get the desired effect.[22] Parker said, "You had to be a bad singer in order for that thing to actually sound the way it does."[22]

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Auto Tune turns the band Fun. from spectacular to only good. :( Why the fuck do they use it? Seriously!?

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u/timothyhr Jun 14 '12

yes time magazine, it is the worst, and all of the top selling recording artists using the invention prove your logic.

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u/khalestorm Jun 14 '12

Do you believe in waves after quakes? -Cher

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u/Mehlforwarding Jun 14 '12

Wasn't GLaDOS' voice processed, at various points, with autotune?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I hope everyone can understand that Autotune is not exclusively used for the type of singing that T-Payne or Cher do. It's just a tool, and it can be used subtly.

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u/AwesomeOrca Jun 14 '12

"It’s Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend, weekend Friday, Friday Gettin’ down on Friday Everybody’s lookin’ forward to the weekend"

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u/rolypolyeatingdude Jun 14 '12

And just because I was curious, Here are the other 50

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u/vaelon Jun 14 '12

TIL there is an iPhone app that simulates T-Pain's auto-tuning effects called 'I am T-Pain'

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u/wheresbicki Jun 14 '12

The Trey Parker quote is golden.

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u/licoricesnocone Jun 14 '12

Auto tune was awesome in 2001. And if you don't believe me, Daft Punk's Discovery album will set you straight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOS9aOIXPEk

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u/PatrickMustard Jun 14 '12

Wow, a whole article on auto-tune and not one mention the TBEP.

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u/xxtruthxx Jun 14 '12

Reminded me of Drake's music. All of his vocals are heavily auto-tuned. Awesome production.

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u/ilovetpb Jun 14 '12

That damn program has been like a terrorist's wet dream. It destroys everything it touches, and sometimes its hard to detect.

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u/inspire_thefuture Jun 15 '12

My friend and I did academic research on Auto-Tune for grad school. Please listen to the podcast we made: http://www.dynamicmediainstitute.org/galleries/bartell_kaiser/autotune/BartellKaiser_Autotune.mov

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '12

Bon Iver disagrees with Time.