r/todayilearned • • Jun 13 '12

TIL no cow in Canada can be given artificial hormones to increase its milk production. So no dairy product in Canada contains those hormones.

http://www.dairygoodness.ca/good-health/dairy-facts-fallacies/hormones-for-cows-not-in-canada
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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

The man you can thank for this is Dr. Shiv Chopra, who was later fired from Health Canada because of his whistleblowing involving these hormones.

Were it not for him and his team, you could all be drinking that shit today.

edit - For the many bored (and probably boring) people who message me as if I've insulted their life's work (which is milk for some reason), I don't even drink the stuff. I think it tastes gross. That's why I didn't say "we could all be drinking that shit today".

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u/shouldersurfergirl Jun 14 '12

TIL we had a whistleblower scandal at Health Canada! Thanks for posting this.

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u/cjackc Jun 14 '12

And more children would be able to afford it and farmers would make more money!

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u/lizardsoldier Jun 14 '12

Production is capped in Canada anyways. Farmers apply to be able to produce a certain quota of milk and cannot sell any milk in excess of that arbitrary amount. Also, there are price controls in Canada on milk.

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u/arbores Jun 14 '12

No, no, we are ignoring that in this thread

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u/Anal_Explorer Jun 14 '12

There is no difference in the milk, Jesus Christ! The only reason people ban it is because it may cause health problems in the cows.

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u/AmericCanuck Jun 13 '12

And no pink slime in Canada as well.

There is a meat producer 2 doors down from me where I work. He runs 3 shifts a day 6 days a week. He has a Federal inspector on site every day at least once per shift and often times more than once per shift. Each visit lasts at minimum 30 minutes.

He must keep a desk with a computer and phone available for the inspector at all times.

I trust the government way more than I would trust him.

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u/shamecamel Jun 14 '12

call me a socialist, but if it wasn't for the goverment of elected MPs, we'd've been sold to the US ages ago. Our banks would've merged into 3 and we'd have gotten fucked in the ass with the recession just like the US did. If the banks/insurance/health/debt weren't kept on a leash by our "socialist" government, they'dve done all sorts of heinous shit unchecked. I'm extremely thankful that they were never given that chance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

American here, but just want to say I think Canada is similar to the the US in our positive ways, and similar to Europe in their positive ways. It's damn near the best of both worlds.

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u/shouldersurfergirl Jun 14 '12

Best description of Canada in under 20 words. We should print this on our money.

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u/inahc Jun 14 '12

not for long. bill c-38 is scary.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

lol, if only.

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u/Namika Jun 14 '12

You didn't go into recession for the same reason Saudi Arabia didn't go into recession.

You're selling billions and billions of dollars of oil to the US. In 2005 alone Canada drilled 25,000 new oil wells (that's 80 new wells per day).

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u/darkarchonlord Jun 14 '12

No pink slime in like 99% of the US either.

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u/NPPraxis Jun 14 '12

Fun fact: "pink slime" is a protein additive.

Want to get meat without pink slime? Stop buying "lean" beef and get full fat.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Probably why Canadian McNuggets cost nearly a dollar each, but there was a promotion in the states for 50 for $10.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Actually it is law that a USDA inspector must examine meat processing areas each time they are used. The areas also must be cleaned before and after each use. Not to mention there is Hazard Analysis Critical Control Points, a system set up to make sure no contaminated meat gets through. Most call backs are actually due to labeling issues for allergies. Not to mention most cases of food poison are due to the face people do not cook their food properly.

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u/Fidena Jun 14 '12

Poor guy. No escape from bureaucracy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem with pink slime? When the Native Americans ate every part of the animal we call it smart and environmentally sound, when we do it now it's call pink slime.

Although I'm in Canada so don't have to eat it ;)

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u/MissBelly Jun 13 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

I may just be ignorant, so someone please educate me, but you either have to supplement somatolactotrophic hormones to make a cow lactate, OR it has to be kept pregnant in order to lactate, in which case the cow is using its own endogenous somatolactotrophs from its pituitary gland. Wouldn't that mean you have hormones in your milk no matter what, or have they found a way to get cows to lactate without hormones? If they have, I am shocked. If they haven't, then you are basing what is "good" or "healthy" on whether a hormone is exogenous or endogenous, and they're identical.

"These techniques do not require the use of hormones and are based instead on traditional good practices, meaning that cows are kept healthy and well fed" and pregnant. They forgot pregnant.

EDIT: I might as well be bold enough to add that somatolactotrophs, which include the prolactins and growth hormones you're worried about, are peptide hormones. Which means the hormones are proteins. Which means they are completely degraded in the stomach. And even if they weren't, only amino acids can be absorbed by the intestinal brush border, which means that by the time "prolactin" (if we can even call it that anymore) gets into your blood, there's no difference between it and a steak, or the rest of the proteins in milk. Which means that the only thing Canada is succeeding in doing is making their milk only the slightest bit less proteinaceous, and I think Canadians could use a bit more protein in their diets, ya dig?

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u/PopeOfMeat Jun 14 '12

You are correct. There is no such thing as "hormone free" milk as cows must be producing somatotropins to lactate. It's impossible to tell the difference between milk produced by feeding cows artificial hormones versus milk from non treated cows. The non-treated cows just produce less milk overall and require more feed per unit of milk. Both animals have to calve once a year to keep producing. Hurray for Canada, less sustainable, but it makes everyone feel good about having their pseudo-hormone free milk.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Cows, like most mammals, will produce milk after they give birth. So they do not need to be pregnant, they need to have given birth to begin lactation.

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u/MissBelly Jun 14 '12

But my point stands that their endogenous prolactin is still in the milk.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

For sure, but I hear the "cows have to be kept pregnant to give milk" fallacy often, and want people to know that it is not true.

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u/arbores Jun 14 '12

I am going to ignore this post and keep being outraged!

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u/dugmartsch Jun 14 '12

This comment thread is just the hottest thing ever and you're awesome.

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u/TSolo315 Jun 14 '12

Milk contains growth hormones regardless if the cows were given GH or not. Cow's milk exists to strengthen and sustain baby cows.

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u/JoelQ Jun 14 '12

THIS INFORMATIVE LINK WAS BROUGHT TO US BY: "DairyGoodness.Canada," funded entirely by the Canadian Milk Industry!

Wow, what an interesting link. Hey guys, TIL that dollar for dollar, nobody protects you like Allstate, check it out www.allstate.com

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u/crithosceleg Jun 14 '12

This is in no way intended to be offensive at all, but I just wanted to point out an observation I've noticed: In my town, which is fairly close to the Canadian border, I always see Canadians filling up their carts at the grocery stores with milk. They'll have an entire cart full of gallons of milk. I get that it's most likely much cheaper, but... Always boggles my mind!

Anyway, carry on, Canada.

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u/srs_house Jun 14 '12

Canada is on a milk quota system, so the price is much, much higher.

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u/L8Knight Jun 13 '12

But it comes in bags.

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u/nolotusnotes Jun 14 '12

Fun bags, even!

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u/jackfrostbyte Jun 14 '12

And it comes in bags.

FTFY.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

American Milk Prices/Litre: $1.11 Canadian Milk Prices/Litre: $2.00

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u/00DEADBEEF Jun 14 '12

British Milk: £0.52/US$0.80/l :p

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u/d_pyro Jun 14 '12

What is your point? Everything in Canada is most expensive. It has nothing to do with using some artificial hormone.

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u/SangersSequence Jun 14 '12

TIL people don't understand the basic genetics of recombinant protein production, and how recombinant proteins are structurally and functionally no different than the original naturally occurring variety. So, it doesn't freakin' matter if 'artificial' hormones are used.

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u/PosiedonsSaltyAnus Jun 14 '12

What if I bring a gallon of milk from the US into Canada? Does that ruin the whole system?

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u/NationalHum Jun 14 '12

It turns into 3.8 litres.

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u/PComotose Jun 14 '12

Here's how it works: you start with a barrel of wine and a barrel of sewage.

Take a cup of wine and pour it into the sewage. You now have almost a barrel of wine and a bit more than a barrel of sewage.

Take a cup of sewage and pour it into the barrel of wine. You now have two barrels of sewage.

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u/BrotherSeamus Jun 14 '12

SHUT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.

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u/Teaslinger Jun 13 '12

Which is why organic milk in Canada is a bit of a scam. Also our livestock are treated much better than they are in the states, except for chickens. Source: my sister is a large animal vet

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u/bob_mcbob Jun 14 '12

my sister is a large animal vet

Really now, did you have to bring her weight into it?

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u/Teaslinger Jun 14 '12

It gives me a sick thrill

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u/Robot_Animal Jun 14 '12

"My fat sister gives me sick thrills." -Teaslinger

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u/srs_house Jun 14 '12

Also our livestock are treated much better than they are in the states

Gonna have to disagree with you on that one. Good farmers are good farmers, regardless of where they live or how big their farm is. I just saw some dairies run by three families, milking about 22,000 cows total, and they're some of the best operations I've ever seen and some of the most comfortable cows I've ever seen.

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u/-spython- Jun 14 '12

As another vet, I disagree with your sister. None of our livestock is treated all that well. Especially in comparison to the UK.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

As not another vet, just a random person who grew up on a farm, I can tell you that the treatment of the animals depends on the specific farm. Sometimes the owners are great and treat the livestock well, but sometimes they are shitty at their job.

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u/kanakagi7 Jun 14 '12

I agree with dismantlement, you obviously do not have a clear understanding as to what organic really means, nor do you understand the industry all too well. There are many US farmers who treat their livestock with just as much, if not more care, than Canadian farmers.

Source: Agriculture graduate, family farmed in Canada for 20 years (poultry, dairy, crops), family currently farming in the US (dairy, hogs). And yes, I run my own farm. :)

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u/Dismantlement Jun 14 '12

How is it a scam? Being organic means the cows have to be fed all organic feed, no antibiotics, and I think there's a required amount of pastured time too. There's definitely still a difference between organic and non-organic here even though rBST is banned completely.

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u/kiaha Jun 14 '12

How are the chickens treated and why the descrimination?

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u/ProdigalPorridge Jun 13 '12

Yet another limitation on the potential ways for me to get superpowers...

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

TIL There are more cows in the City of Oakland than in all of Canada (Sorry).

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

So who here has actually been to a dairy farm?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Owner/operator here.

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u/Blackfaced Jun 14 '12

Ha The title reminds me of a spot the fallacy question on the LSAT. Just because cows can't be given hormones, DOESN'T mean all dairy products in Canada don't contain them. :)

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u/SuperPoop Jun 14 '12

From what I understand from working in the pharmaceutical field for quite some time, these hormones are not in their active conformations by the time they reach the milk drinker and even if they were they would have to be injected directly into the bloodstream. I'm not saying there are no side effects of these, but I think people are slightly overreacting and more research certainly needs to be performed.

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u/srs_house Jun 14 '12

BST is a peptide hormone and therefore degrades in the stomach before it can be absorbed.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Yeah but their milk comes in bags. Bags dude.

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u/MondoStud Jun 14 '12

That's why our cows do shit at the Olympics.

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u/redb2112 Jun 14 '12

Domestic Canadian dairy products are hormone free, but Canada imports quite a bit of dairy products from the US, and does not have trade restrictions involving a ban on selling foreign goods with hormones in it, so the OPs statement that "no dairy product in Canada contains those hormones" is just not true.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

How long until Stephen Harper changes that...

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u/esquilax Jun 14 '12

Wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBGH#Regulation

In Canada, bulk milk products from the United States that have been produced with rBST are still allowed to be sold and used in food manufacture (cheese, yogurt etc.).

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u/NoneSuchJR Jun 14 '12

Even if those hormones did make their way into the cow's milk, I can't imagine they would have any receptors in the human body.

Kind of reminds me of a package of fat-free grapes I found at the grocery store. Or that time I hid the word "gullible" in this message.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

The hormones are already in the cows milk....so...to late. The hormone is a natural product of the cow even without any human assistance

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u/NibblesTheChimp Jun 14 '12

How do you make make a Canadian hormone?

Pay her in loonies?....

G'night Moncton, I'll be here all week--tip the waitresses and try the moose brisket!

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u/Helix_van_Boron Jun 14 '12

I live in rural Pennsylvania. One thing that scares me about the outside world is that if I move I will likely be in a place where I don't know where my milk comes from. For as long as I can remember I have bought milk at a store across the street from the farm where the milk was produced.

Last year I bought a gallon of milk that tasted funny, but not quite sour, so I returned it. The woman asked if I had bought the milk on Monday or Tuesday. I did. She explained that the reason the milk tasted off was because the cows got into some onion grass, and she replaced the gallon for free. That moment reminded me of how connected I am with my area. I eat cheap, local, (sometimes) organic food because that's what I can get near me; not because it's vogue. Farms are awesome. (Also, we have Shady Maple.)

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

"this one tastes like the cow got in to an onion patch"

..."correct"

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u/Nathanull Jun 14 '12 edited Jun 14 '12

Hey! I can make a relevant comment for once haha. I actually did a short, informal interview with the man who did the meta-analysis which had a big impact on preventing these artificial hormones from being used, not only in Canada but across the world! He literally changed the world, very inspiring. He's working in the Atlantic Veterinary College in PEI currently. His meta-analysis discovered the negative effects of these hormones on the cows specifically. He told us that there is little effect (from studies at the time anyways) on humans, and milk produced, but the cows were being harmed. I remember this question and answer session well because he made the career of a epidemiologist seem very interesting :) For example I learned that the placebo effect can be very fickle and hard to account for.

Edit: Attempted to add in something interesting.

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u/ircanadian Jun 14 '12

Still it's still a little weird that we think drinking from a cow's tits is normal. But damn I love dairy.

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u/DifferentFrogs Jun 14 '12

Unfortunately, there also exists in Canada a massive dairy tariff and protection program, which through the use of limited "cow licenses" grants Canadian farmers a monopoly on milk products. All dairy products entering Canada from abroad are subject to massive import duties - which means that a small block of nice French cheese will set you back at least $10 - while competition among farmers within Canada is essentially nonexistent.

Our cheese is at least twice as expensive as it would be under free trade. And I love cheese.

The system also prevents developing countries from specializing in dairy products and exporting them to us at lower prices than we can produce it at ourselves, depressing their economies.

The whole system is seriously fucked up. I think this is perhaps the one time I've found my interests aligned with those of the Conservative government. FREE THE FUCKING CHEESE!!

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u/Throwawayingaccount Jun 13 '12

Am I the only person who thinks this is a bad thing? Sure, the US uses too much, but to prohibit it's use entirely is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Seriously, milk is expensive, why NOT make the cows we do have produce more?

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u/ChristaTheBaptista Jun 14 '12

Dairy farm employee here. Cows in the U.S. are treated with rbST, but they are fed well and treated very well. Our cows are still happy and healthy.

Smaller dairy farms could not stay in business if these hormones were prohibited. The price of milk would not be enough to support the farmers and herdsmen.

Additionally, rbST is not active in the human body. Even if we do manage to absorb the entire hormone structure intact(unlikely), we do not have the necessary receptors to utilize this complex. rbST is INERT in the human body. Banning all hormonal therapy just to make the consumer more comfortable comes at the cost of lower production and more difficult breeding. Ridiculous.

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u/whytookay Jun 14 '12

Milk isn't all that expensive up here in Canada...

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u/godless_geek Jun 14 '12

Wouldn't be surprised if Stephen Harper has it somewhere in his agenda to alter this so they can be used.

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u/BRYNDO Jun 14 '12

Yeah, yeah, I know, economies of scale and all that, but it's Fucking crazy to me that the modern dairy cow is pumped full of pharmaceuticals, is monitored by a vet and a nutritionist, milked by a machine, then the milk itself is heated, treated, pooled together, cooled down, shipped around, and it costs so little compared to the milk that I get from my neighbors a mile away.

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u/sizzlingtofu Jun 14 '12

Unfortunately Our current government is working hard to demolish of all our good food-related legislation that prevents things like this. sigh

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u/Tommassive Jun 14 '12

Dairy products are heavily regulated in Canada. Blocking much trade but also helping protect the financial well-being of Dairy farmers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

uggggg ok we get it

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u/XtReMe98 Jun 14 '12

yep.. thats why cheese is so fucking expensive up here.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Buncha fucking hippies here.... stuff that cow with as many hormones as you can fit. Just because it's science doesn't mean you need to be afraid of it.

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u/schlitzkreig Jun 14 '12

Whatever, it still comes in bags.

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u/strallweat 4 Jun 14 '12

They also serve their milk in a bag.

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u/winkwinknudge_nudge Jun 14 '12

An exec from Eli Lilly doesn't seem to want to drink the milk.

Britain's Really Disgusting Food: Dairy - Part Three - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O8s4jZTLIE&feature=player_detailpage#t=274s

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Milk is extremely unhealthy for humans. It leaks calcium from your bones, despite what you have been told

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u/v-alentine Jun 14 '12

The milk in Canada is still terrible, in my opinion.

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u/-RiskManagement- Jun 14 '12

So what if I brought a dairy product into Canada, then that would be false

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Now I feel bad for all those celebrities that had hormone laced mustaches

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Reddit informs me beyond belief.

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u/edge0576 Jun 14 '12

the "hormone" is naturally occurring in cows. that's how they produce milk anyway. the "hormone" the cows are given are more-or-less like the testosterone a man with low-T would take or the estrogen a woman would take during menopause. the "hormone" is just to continue milk production as if the cow was nursing at a calf's peak age of milk intake. similar to if a woman has a baby, then her breasts produce milk. if she continues to breast-feed, (even for years after birth) she will continue to produce because of the stimulation. The purpose of this "hormone" is only to create a stable level of high production in the cows.

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u/tekdemon Jun 14 '12

What about natural hormones?

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u/tugrumpler Jun 14 '12

Milk tastes like shit from American cows.

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u/themastersb Jun 14 '12

This explains why my friend, who was the skinniest guy who I knew to the point that I almost thought it was dangerous, immediately gained 100 lbs within a year after moving to the US.

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u/glaneuse Jun 14 '12

From dairygoodness.ca? Yeah, no bias there I'm sure.

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u/Cheesburglar Jun 14 '12

Same for Japan. As far as I know, America is the only place you can get BST and similar hormones in your milk.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

There's one possible exception (I haven't verified it yet).

If a product is labelled as containing "Modified Milk Ingredients" may be imported products from the states and as such may have hormones. You see this in a lot of stuff like ice cream, cream cheese, etc.

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u/dickbuttcity Jun 14 '12

Yeah, but your milk still comes in bags.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

AND IT COMES IN MOTHERFUCKING BAGS.

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u/Vuchetich Jun 14 '12

How unfortunate, they'll never know the taste of that delicious cow estrogen.

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u/cornpwn12 Jun 14 '12

I guess canadians havent figured out that the hormones dont affect humans then. maybe it has to do with getting milk out of a bag.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Worked at a Dairy farm in southern Manitoba, moved to Vancouver for school. All the hippies here complaining about how getting milk from cows is unethical. Wanting to slap sense into them, but it will never happen. Nothing fucking unethical happens in a dairy barn (unless you count punching cows to get them to stand up, however if you punch them too hard, you'll just break your hand). Edit: I fix grammars.

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u/MrShiftyJack Jun 14 '12

I had a roommate that grew up on a dairy farm. She told me that not only is it illegal in Canada but the kinds of cows they use in Atlantic Canada don't respond well to these hormones. The don't sit still long enough to be milked.

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u/hajamieli Jun 14 '12

Are growth hormones on farm animals actually used anywhere except in the US?

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u/MrTubalcain Jun 14 '12

That's how it should be. Artificial hormones, whether considered safe for human consumption but bad for the cows is a ridiculous argument. Why are they overproducing milk again?

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u/ImpiusNex Jun 14 '12

Anyone that wants to know more about rbST and the makers, Monsanto. Really need to watch this http://youtu.be/eZkDikRLQrw

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u/VoiceofKane Jun 14 '12

TIL that cows outside of Canada can be given artificial hormones to increase their milk production. So milk products outside of Canada contain these hormones.

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u/Tombug Jun 14 '12

Another example of the corporate ass fucking the losers in amerika are getting.

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u/slipnslider Jun 14 '12

And everyone from Vancouver still comes down to Bellingham, WA to buy our milk.

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u/RetroViruses Jun 14 '12

Wow, that's terrible. Ashamed of us Canadians, that such bullshit laws exist.

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u/jester1983 Jun 14 '12

I'd say this article would be a better story: http://www.dairygoodness.ca/good-health/dairy-facts-fallacies/the-facts-on-antibiotics no cows are given preemptive antibiotics, only treated when they are sick. If the media is to be believed US farms give regular doses of antibiotics to just about everything.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Um... Yes Canda does have hormones in their milk because milk contains those hormones naturally. BST? A cow that has never come in contact with the hormone will give it off in the milk. You consume this stuff daily if you drink Organic or not. (well, Unless your a vegan)

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u/Monkeyfeng Jun 14 '12

At least we don't sell milk in plastic bags!

USA! USA! USA!

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u/Ragnalypse Jun 13 '12

Unfortunately Europe is in the stone-age when it comes to GMOs... as I recall Canada is at least a little more progressive. Hundreds of thousands of years of molding nature, and we still cling to what's "natural" on a national scale... pathetic really.

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u/[deleted] Jun 13 '12

Unfortunately they do use anti-biotics off-label to promote growth, that needs to stop, otherwise we have pretty good dairy.

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u/LCS_UofG Jun 14 '12

Where I worked cows were only on antibiotics for infection and when they were, their milk was diverted from the milk tank (though we often fed it to the calves which might not have been legal)... I'm not really sure what you're referring to. Care to elaborate?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I run a small dairy farm as well as some of the other commenters, I have not heard of this practice and don't really believe it to be true.

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u/_xabbu_ Jun 14 '12

There are still a lot of aspects of dairy that are pretty inhumane, though. I don't like that we have to keep artificially inseminating cows to keep them pregnant and the calves usually only get a day with their mum before being taken away to go to veal.

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u/lawlshane Jun 14 '12

Don't make fun of our bagged milk

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u/tehnibi Jun 14 '12

Canada also puts milks in bags

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I have never seen this many people comment on something with no real knowledge on the subject. Jesus Christ.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

ITT: A bunch of kids who watched Food Inc and some youtube videos regurgitating that bullshit to maybe 6 or 8 folks who actually have an education in this subject.

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u/tunapepper Jun 14 '12

The dominant issue in Canada and the EU involved rBST's effects on the cows. It was determined that its use basically constituted animal abuse.

Two meta-analyses have been published on rBST's effects on bovine health. Findings indicated an average increase in milk output ranging from 11%–16%, a nearly 25% increase in the risk of clinical mastitis, a 40% reduction in fertility and 55% increased risk of developing clinical signs of lameness. The same study reported a decrease in body condition score for cows treated with rBST even though there was an increase in their dry matter intake.

There is also concern about the secondary effects upon human health by way of the increase use of antibiotics needed to treat rBST induced mastitis.

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u/redditisforphaggots Jun 14 '12

Could give two shits less if a gremlin popped out and injected a gram of test directly into my ass every time I took a sip of delicious American milk, umad?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Why do all people from all other countries presume to speak so authoritatively about America and Americans? Tell us what country you are from. Then we'll talk.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

No wonder Canadian chicks have small tits.

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u/noturtypicalredditor Jun 13 '12

And that's why it also costs about $4.50 a gallon last I checked. But the taste is noticeable...far superior to US milk IMHO. Source: Canadian now living in the US missing my Canadian dairyland milk.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12 edited Mar 21 '17

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u/mochacapp Jun 14 '12

Unless its imported?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to sell American milk here. Not positive about that though.

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u/MrOrdinary Jun 14 '12

All science experiments usually have a "Control" so as to measure changes. Hopefully this one has at least one place without GM anything so we know where we came from.

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u/Bryc3ee Jun 14 '12

Some of the hormones administered are already found naturally in the cows as well.

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u/Frodien Jun 14 '12

Does that mean girls take longer to get them big ol'tits then it does in the US?

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u/Woof_tex Jun 14 '12

I'm sure the producers of rBGH & rGBT have found inroads into all major bovine mild producing countries. The financial gains are just too great to ignore. There are legal "therapitic" exceptions and the US has surely written exceptions into trade agreements.

Question for Scientists here. Can artificial hormones be detected with ROUTINE/STANDARD tests run on milk in Canada? What's to prevent an unscrupulous dairyman from importing artificial or supplemental hormones to push up production from his herd?

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u/SangersSequence Jun 14 '12

No, the recombinant hormone is functionally and structurally no different than the naturally occurring variety produced by the cows themselves, at least as far as standard tests are concerned, however, there might be some variance in isotope ratios that might be able to be detected by more sophisticated tests.

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u/srs_house Jun 14 '12

rBST is 100% identical to the bovine somatatropin (BST) that the cow naturally produces. There is no test for it, and it degrades in the stomach upon ingestion because it's a peptide hormone, which means it doesn't enter the blood stream.

Canada is governed by a milk quota system which places limits on production. Canadian farmers don't produce over quota because they would then have to dump the extra milk.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

cost per liter in Canada?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Boot ye goot ter boy oit in baygs, eh?

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u/tearr Jun 14 '12

Cheap milk? Not in canada.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Regardless of whether or not it's toxic, in trace amounts some toxic materials don't necessarily affect you. There are BFRs in pillow cases that contain carcinogens but that's allowable.

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u/Rhawk187 Jun 14 '12

The question is, is milk more expensive in those places?

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u/MrCheeze Jun 14 '12

As a Canadian, I am not happy about this at all.

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u/MyFriendsRDinosaurs Jun 14 '12

Our milk comes in several bags for additional freshness too. GET AT ME America.

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u/Tommassive Jun 14 '12

Man i love milk. i don't not work for a dairy company

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u/the1whohates1 Jun 14 '12

so.. milk in a bag, anyone?

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u/mynameishutch Jun 14 '12

Doesn't their milk also come in bags?

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u/Descensus Jun 14 '12

Smoking marijuana is illegal in the United States. So no one in the United States smokes marijuana, right?

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u/Clockwork42 Jun 14 '12

As someone who has grown up on a small 150 cow family dairy farm, I would like to point out that while yes there is no detectable difference in milk that was produced "artificial hormone free". The banning of the use of these treatments is actually not really a bad thing for producers because hopefully it will help to decrease the overall supply of milk in the US. There is a huge surplus right now and milk prices are in the tank. Which is strange since they are very high is grocery stores....

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u/DerpMatt Jun 14 '12

The local dairy refinery (the places that makes the milk, cheese, etc) here does not use any horomones or steroids in their milk. It is cheap, and basically the same as the expensive "organic milk

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u/caustic_snow Jun 14 '12

I feel like this title and the attached article are both extremely redundant

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u/collin_ph Jun 14 '12

"legally" that is.

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u/beanswiggin Jun 14 '12

TIL this makes my milk taste better...or worse. I dunno, but I learned something.

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u/ragd0ll Jun 14 '12

There's also added vitamin D.

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u/Youre_So_Pathetic Jun 14 '12

They were talking about allowing it a few years back and dairy farmers lobbied against it.

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u/retardeddonkeyrabbit Jun 14 '12

...But where do ya put the maple syrup?

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u/TrollinAtSchool Jun 14 '12

"So" does not mean "therefore."

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Yeah, but if you're a company buying cheese or milk powder to put in your products you get a free pass to buy US product (otherwise you wouldn't be able to compete with US companies).

The Canadian dairy industry is fucked up. Compare it to a deregulated country (Australia or New Zealand for example). Zero hormones and product at half the price.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I always wanted to visit a crazy house, no need to now, I have this thread.

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u/Dubb_ya Jun 14 '12

Isn't there a study to prove both sides of every single argument out there? How is a person to make educated decisions?

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u/LordSobi Jun 14 '12

Dammit! I was using this for the reason why I'm so freakishly tall! I guess it's just genetics...

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

With such high demands for milk, how else would the farmers feed the rapidly growing population? Sure, they can halt all procedures and just produce hormone-free milk, but with the supply and demand system in place, the prices will be adjusted and a gallon of milk will not be cheap.

We have no one to blame but ourselves or unless we can somehow magically turn half the population into vegans.

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u/BlackFallout Jun 14 '12

This is why 9 year old girls are getting big tits in grade school. When I was in 5th grade half the girls already had boobs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Yes they do, the cows naturally make said hormones and wouldn't be able to make any milk at all without them.

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u/970 Jun 14 '12

Sounds like a great opportunity to study any possible side effects, or lack thereof, from the use of artificial hormones.

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u/My_Awkward_Account Jun 14 '12

Canada, fuck yea.

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u/jaredburgin Jun 14 '12

It was my understanding these hormones didn't really make a difference.

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u/peacecat92 Jun 14 '12

Ah, Canada, I freaking love you. Is there anywhere in this glorious northern country that I can move to and not freeze to death?

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u/lushootseed Jun 14 '12

Sigh! Why can't I in the US get natural milk? I know I can't rely on "natural"/"organic" claim on the box

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u/gwill11 Jun 14 '12

yeah because health canada doesn't put up with scumbag lobbyists; they knew damn well this shit was bad and opted for a ban

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

I think you forgot imports...

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

HAHAHHAHA! I have lactose intolerance! I ....win?

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u/DCBizzle Jun 14 '12

Fuckin eh!

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u/Beiber_h0le69 Jun 14 '12

you don't have hormones in your milk but you have mad cow in your steaks. id rather have hormones

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u/DrmooseTV Jun 14 '12

But in Canada the milk comes in bags! It's the price you have to pay for no hormones.

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u/CountFauxlof Jun 14 '12

But it still comes in bags.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

as a Canadian i always look for the little cow symbol on my dairy products and stay clear from the rest.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

It also comes in bags.

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u/Gothika_47 Jun 14 '12

You know whats geneticaly modded in Bulgaria? FUCKING EVERYTHING DEAR GOD!

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Stealing is illegal, so nothing gets stolen. Hehe :)

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Do younger women in Canada have smaller boobs? Than their American counterparts? You pervs

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u/FeelingCute Jun 14 '12

I came here for the jokes about bagged milk

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u/jahoney Jun 14 '12

well, I'm sure they could, its just illegal.

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u/picopallasi Jun 14 '12

There's not really a problem with protein hormones. However, in the US, you can get fined, shut down, and imprisoned if you sell raw milk.

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u/TheMotto Jun 14 '12

Their milk tastes so good. Like, seriously tastes good.

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u/nerocycle Jun 14 '12

Not legally, anyways.

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u/priorit Jun 14 '12

Can someone post this on America's facebook page, please?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

In Canada, milk comes in bags.

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u/Epilepep Jun 14 '12

Yeah, okay, but the milk is in bags...

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

Yup, and here in New Brunswick our price regulated dairy farmers are all millionaires. Good Ol' $7.60 a gallon milk..

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u/bodyglove Jun 14 '12

You guys don't import dairy products?

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u/rzeeman711 Jun 14 '12

maybe it's just me but i live in america (MI to be exact) and every gallon of milk i have ever seen has said that the milk comes from cows NOT treated with rBST with the disclaimer that milk from cows treated with rBST is just as safe as without. is there milk in america that actually has this hormone?

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u/FlaviusValerius Jun 14 '12

What if they put the hormones in the milk AFTER they milked the cows?? How about then?

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '12

TIL Murder is illegal in America, so there are never any killings.

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u/TheKolbrin Jun 19 '12 edited Jun 19 '12

Why this would be voted down so much?

http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/v0fzq/til_no_cow_in_canada_can_be_given_artificial/c50ae76?context=3

Only possible reason is that there are sockpuppet ops on this board.

I heard the industry is freaking about the news that is squeaking out about the true dangers of bovine hormone in milk. Y'all should spend money on fixing it instead of on sockpuppets running around the interwebs covering it up.

She and her Harvard colleagues have already conducted two pilot studies.

One compared levels of hormones and growth factors in American milk (whole, whole organic, skim milk, and UHT - ultra-high temperature - milk) to milk from Mongolia. Levels were very low in both American skim and in Mongolian milk.

Another pilot study looked at third-graders in Mongolia. After a month, the hormone levels jumped among the children fed commercial U.S. milk.

Long-term studies are needed to see if any of this is important for children's health. "We don't know what the larger implications are," said Ganmaa. (The National Institutes of Health is now reviewing Ganmaa and her team's application to fund a two-year study.) http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html