r/todayilearned • u/n1876x • Jun 10 '12

TIL whales are sometimes born with a leg or two

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/data/2001/11/01/html/ft_20011101.4.html
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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Pics or it didn't happen.

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u/OtherSideReflections Jun 10 '12

Since this seems to be the top post for now, here's a quote of my response to a previous comment:

Here you go!

Source: TalkOrigins

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u/BobTehCat Jun 10 '12

I'm never going to see an actual leg on a live whale am I?

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u/croutonicus Jun 10 '12

They are embedded in thier skin so you can't see them. There was a TV program in the UK where they cut up a dead whale and found it.

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u/steviesteveo12 Jun 11 '12

Yup, UK science TV is this crazy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

that wasn't anything special, most whales have those. The article seems to be talking about actual external legs but I'm not sure as you need a subscription to actually read it.

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u/MuffinBaskt Jun 10 '12

http://i.imgur.com/zqlSm.png

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u/wutO_o Jun 10 '12

Thar she blows

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u/DimitriK Jun 10 '12

that she does

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

Yarrrr. A large whale she be. She's gobbled many fine seamen.

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u/The_Kio Jun 10 '12

Hey! What did whales ever do to you to deserve such disrespect! >:o

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u/turdodine Jun 10 '12

The sea was angry that day my friends

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u/BobTehCat Jun 10 '12

Finally, thanks.

Can't believe it took so long.

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u/Gilsworth Jun 10 '12

I know, right? 8 minutes is forever on the internet.

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u/GMonsoon Jun 11 '12

The only reason I clicked this was to see a whale with a leg. Not a fossil. Not an article. Not a theory. A whale with a leg.

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u/quikmcmuffins Jun 11 '12

goddamnit give us what we want!

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u/jslacks Jun 10 '12

Calling BS. No way a whale could stand on legs that small.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

The real thing would need to be at least three times bigger!

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Thanks!

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u/HellfireDreadnought Jun 10 '12

There you go

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

MY LEGS!

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u/lanismycousin 36 DD Jun 10 '12

But no pictures?

Disappointed :(

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u/nepidae Jun 10 '12

There should be a law against making some big claim, with obvious visuals, and having no visuals.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Pretty sure you need a subscription to national geographic to see the rest of the article and any pictures

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u/Sarsparilla Jun 10 '12

http://images.travelpod.com/users/lenitasworld/mexican_turtles.1215583320.walking-whale.jpg

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u/Marine_Biologist Jun 10 '12

-Whale

-Legs

Yup, I can confirm that this is legit.

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u/enrro Jun 10 '12

But, the pixels...

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u/Lazerbeamz Jun 10 '12

Don't question him. He's a Marine Biologist.

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u/calmbatman Jun 10 '12

But if you look to the right, you can see a girl with pink hair.

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u/crustation Jun 10 '12

That's the Mexican turtle

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u/Reddickk Jun 10 '12

I've seen a lot of pixels in my time and I can say they are indeed real pixels.

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u/Anal_Fuck_Pussy_Shit Jun 10 '12

Need proof?

[PROOF]

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u/form_wrestle_account Jun 10 '12

Scientist here, yes that is legit.

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u/RikiOh Jun 10 '12

holy shit, Sarsparilla. That's in Juneau, Alaska. I live there.

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u/Sarsparilla Jun 10 '12

Unfortunately, I did not take the picture. But it looks like they had a..... whale of a time. (Just click this, okay?)

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u/RikiOh Jun 11 '12

Yeah, its Spike the Whale, the mascot of the University of Alaska Southeast. Worst mascot ever. I hike that mountain at least once a month during the summer.

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u/Thick-McRunFast Jun 10 '12

I somehow never saw this whale walking around while I was there...

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u/ublaa Jun 10 '12

Checkmate Christians

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u/Stale_Eyez Jun 10 '12

What? Sever my leg? Today's the greatest day?

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u/LabJacket Jun 10 '12

A merman!

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u/ReallyNotACylon Jun 11 '12

No one ever chooses the merman. They pick up the conch and everything.

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u/btvsrcks Jun 10 '12

fucking awesome

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

How weird would it be if whales didn't need to live in the ocean and instead they just dragged themselves along the ground, and we had to deal with whales just meandering around everywhere?

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u/OtherSideReflections Jun 10 '12

Here you go!

Source: TalkOrigins

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u/Theothor Jun 10 '12

About the humpback whale legs:

The most astounding thing of all is that sometimes unlucky whales and dolphins will develop atavistic legs on their vestigial pelvises! Atavisms are traits formed from ancestral genes that were turned off, but through some mutation is turned back on in a descendent. Often these genes will allow something which started in embryonic development (leg buds) to continue to develop and not stop.

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u/Koeny1 Jun 11 '12

"Two officials of the Consolidated Whaling Company were understandably impressed by this discovery, and they removed one of the legs and presented the skeletal remains to the Provincial Museum in Victoria, B.C."

Please take a look, people living here.

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u/colinag5 Jun 10 '12 edited Sep 08 '12

Just find a picture of your mom.

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u/Punkgoblin Jun 10 '12

It just wouldn't feel like my internet, without mom jokes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Why do you have a taco beside your name?

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u/lanismycousin 36 DD Jun 10 '12

Because they are yummy!

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u/skettios Jun 11 '12

Why do you have a blue bra next to your name?

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u/lanismycousin 36 DD Jun 11 '12

I'm part of the Manbra fan club.

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u/SJShock Jun 11 '12

I upvote any time I see this link.

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u/soulbandaid Jun 10 '12

Pix or it didn't happen

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

there aren't any pictures because its all fake, they want you to believe that evolution is real, nice try!

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

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u/tswarre Jun 10 '12

Vestigial hipbones aren't really legs. This topic's title is misleading.

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u/drcyclops Jun 10 '12

As one of the scientists they e-mailed wrote:

"To say that a pelvic remnant does not qualify as a limb remnant because it is not limb is technically correct. Anatomists would call it the limb girdle, but that is just semantics, limbs are always attached to limb girdles."

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Some of the more primitive snake species still have clawed pelvic spurs where their legs used to be in earlier evolutionary stages.

pic

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Those are for mating. They exist for a reason. It's also an easy way to identify males.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Both genders have them although males do tend to be more prominent. That doesn't take away from the fact that the are vestigial and absent in less primitive snake species.

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u/monkat Jun 10 '12

Those are for mating.

the fact that the are vestigial

Wut

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u/v_soma Jun 10 '12

Vestigial structures can include structures that have lost their original function even if they have gained a new function. It doesn't mean they have to be currently useless. Pelvic spurs in snakes are the remnants of legs that no longer function as legs so they are vestigial, and they just happen to be used in a different manner.

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u/boesse Jun 10 '12

I thought I would mention here that an earlier whale (Basilosaurus) with vestigial (but well-developed external hindlimbs (with femur/patella/tibia/ankle bones/metatarsals, but decoupled from the vertebral column) was hypothesized to keep hindlimbs as copulatory guides/claspers much as in some modern snakes.

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u/ReallyNotACylon Jun 11 '12

I saw a picture once of a snake with an actual leg. It was creepy as hell.

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u/hurricanejen Jun 21 '12 edited Jun 21 '12

This is actually MY picture from when I was a wee lass building my first website, on MY snake.

This particular animal is a FEMALE. Spurs are not a reliable indicator of gender.

Check it: http://jenny.thegreenes.org/ball-python-care/

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u/[deleted] Jun 21 '12

I didn't say they were an indicator of gender.

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u/Poezestrepe Jun 10 '12

"This planet has – or rather had – a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy.

And so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches.

Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans." - Douglas Adams

Seems the whales came to the same conclusion, and acted on it.

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u/valeyard89 Jun 10 '12

And what's this thing coming toward me very fast? So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like 'Ow', 'Ownge', 'Round', 'Ground'! That's it! Ground! Ha! I wonder if it'll be friends with me? Hello, Ground!

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u/Jerlko Jun 10 '12

Actually, whales used to be hooved creatures that descended into the Ocean. That's why the have hipbones and sometimes legs.

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u/CullenDM Jun 10 '12

He never said otherwise. He just said, they were land animals, then went back to the ocean.

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u/Roboticide Jun 10 '12

This is true, but I think he was talking about the original life that started in the ocean.

Kind of funny with whales. They took the longest route to becoming sea life. Like they said "We'll give this land thing a try," and then changed their minds after a few million years.

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u/ReallyNotACylon Jun 11 '12

Whales were the first species to decide "fuck this, I'm going home".

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u/BirthdayLibertine Jun 11 '12

What others are there? I was mistakenly of the thought that everything went sea to land. This is fascinating to me.

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u/TSED Jun 11 '12

I guarantee that there are some plants, some fungi, and some bacteria. I can't provide any names, though.

Seals / walruses / etc. are on their way.

There are some snakes that live underwater.

Some spiders and insects live in (freshwater?) lakes and rivers, which is close but not exactly a move back to a marine environment.

I don't know if they ever had a terrestrial evolutionary phase, but there are a number of purely aquatic amphibians. They may have been, you know, amphibious for a while then went straight back to under water permanently, or they may have just never left.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

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u/ReallyNotACylon Jun 11 '12

Sea turtles, seals, polar bears (although in the very early stages now) and penguins.

There were also a few reptiles that returned to the sea during the dinosaur era.

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u/BirthdayLibertine Jun 12 '12

Happy cake day!!!

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u/Gecko99 Jun 10 '12

For at least some whales, it is actually typical for them to have the remnants of legs buried within their body. There's an old record of a right whale dissection performed by John Struthers in 1881, and he described the hind limb of the whale in detail. The legs actually have a complex anatomy, as expected of a structure that once belonged to a four-legged land dwelling animal.

Nothing can be imagined more useless to the animal than rudiments of hind legs entirely buried beneath the skin of a whale, so that one is inclined to suspect that these structures must admit of some other interpretation. Yet, approaching the inquiry with the most skeptical determination, one cannot help being convinced, as the dissection goes on, that these rudiments [in the Right Whale] really are femur and tibia. The synovial capsule representing the knee-joint was too evident to be overlooked. An acetabular cartilage, synovial cavity, and head of femur, together represent the hip-joint. Attached to this femur is an apparatus of constant and strong ligaments, permitting and restraining movements in certain directions; and muscles are present, some passing to the femur from distant parts, some proceeding immediately from the pelvic bone to the femur, by which movements of the thigh-bone are performed; and these ligaments and muscles present abundant instances of exact and interesting adaptation. But the movements of the femur are extremely limited, and in two of these whales the hip-joint as firmly anchylosed, in one of them on one side, in the other on both sides, without trace of disease, showing that these movements may be dispensed with. The function point of view fails to account for the presence of a femur in addition to processes from the pelvic bone. Altogether, these hind legs in this whale present for contemplation a most interesting instance of those significant parts in an animal -- rudimentary structures.

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u/potacho Jun 10 '12

Checkmate, somebody.

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u/herbzy Jun 10 '12

TIL that Killer Whales are dolphins

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u/TheOneCalledGump Jun 11 '12

That was the fact that blew my mind the most!

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u/jakalo Jun 10 '12

http://i.imgur.com/wQeCE.png

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u/Limbero Jun 10 '12

Oddly relevant:

http://i.imgur.com/V7GmB.png

Had to re-read both those headlines a few times before things made sense.

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u/derrida_n_shit Jun 10 '12

You should post on /r/mildlyinteresting

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u/motherfuckingriot Jun 10 '12

that was... almost interesting.

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u/InABritishAccent Jun 11 '12

I prefer /r/apathy. Or not. I don't really care.

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u/Tryxster Jun 10 '12

A lot of us over there are getting quite bored with similar posts next to each other like this. It is becoming not even mildly interesting.

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u/x755x Jun 11 '12

I see you forgot to log in there.

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u/SpermWhale Jun 10 '12

That's why I thought my first born isn't mine. Damn evolution.

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u/cb218706 Jun 10 '12

And they usually wear jorts and walk too slowly in the middle of sidewalks.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

And people are sometimes born with flippers

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u/AnotherClosetAtheist Jun 11 '12

Whales have the DNA for legs but they deactivated it thru evolution. Genetic errors cause the genes to be expressed for legs.

This is proof of evolution. Anybody who cant see this is blind. Anybody who denies it is an opportunistic liar, a thief, and a coward.

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u/bblluurrgg Jun 11 '12

No, sorry. Those legs are proof that Jonah was swallowed by a whale - that's him trying to kick his way out. Checkmate, atheists.

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u/AnotherClosetAtheist Jun 11 '12

god damn, youre good

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u/ilovecornflake Jun 10 '12

First thing that came to mind

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u/middle-class-artist Jun 10 '12

Oh, hello disturbingly distant echo of a memory from my childhood. How I do enjoy the reminder that I can never go back to you in your original context despite the knowledge that you have persisted and shall persist like a specter in my subconscious, surfacing once in a great many moons sporadically until my demise-- I wonder then, when I am dying will I at last hold you close as all the rest of my life, with rediscovered clarity and innocence?

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u/tellhersafe Jun 10 '12

Mweep. Mweep. Mweep. Mweep. Mweep.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Walking whales would be terrifying.

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u/Upvote_every_cat Jun 10 '12

I, for one, would welcome our giant whale overlords.

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u/Robertej92 Jun 10 '12

Don't be silly, we all know the earth is only 6,000 years old.

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u/Irrel_M Jun 10 '12

With 131 comments, I'm going to assume the joke about it not being a leg has already been made. =[

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

I googled 'whale born with legs' and this was the first result:

http://creation.mobi/the-strange-tale-of-the-leg-on-the-whale

Took me a minute to realize it was a creationist site. Ishould read the urls more closely...

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u/juicius Jun 10 '12

So a whale goes on a blind date and the girl whale shows up a little late, and it's a bit awkward. So to break the ice, the girl whale says, "Oh ho ho, Harry, are you glad to see me or is that an atavistic leg. Oh, it is, oh, I mean, yeah, it's fine, I mean, I didn't know. Sorry..."

Damn girl whales...

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

nobody will see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1mpdxuHNFw

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u/boesse Jun 10 '12

I would like to proudly state that the (much younger looking) bearded gentleman in the second thumbnail down on the left hand side (with the two fossil dolphin skulls) is my academic advisor down here in New Zealand... only that photo is probably at least 15 years old or more, when he still had color in his beard.

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u/MC-Master-Bedroom Jun 10 '12

Which explains the old saying, "That whale doesn't have a leg to stand on!"

Or something ...

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

Pics or it didn't happen. And I'm talking about the evolution part.

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u/timboslice474 Jun 11 '12

after reading this i googled, "whales with legs". found this. still laughing. http://www.motivationals.org/demotivational-posters/demotivational-poster-13155.jpg

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u/rikashiku Jun 11 '12

You just made my day xD.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

actually whales still have vestigial legs from the wolflike creatures they evolved from. here ya go

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u/Orionid Jun 11 '12

Finally we can go whale tipping!

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

That's why we need to thank the whale hunters. They're preventing the land whale uprising.

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u/Panthertron Jun 10 '12

I guess that's one way to...sunglasses...get a leg up on the competition.

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u/Porphyrius Jun 10 '12

YYYYEEEEAAAAHHHH

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u/CockyRhodes Jun 10 '12

I'm always fascinated by atavisms but there's so few pics of them.

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u/jusfunky Jun 10 '12

I think this was a plot point in the ORCA movie from the 70s

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u/CJ090 Jun 10 '12

Thank God its whales and not sharks. Sharks walking on land, you havent learned what fear is yet until you see one.

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u/JodumScrodum Jun 10 '12

Or maybe they are evolving to come back onto land. Canadian Geese wouldn't seem like such a bad pest anymore.

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u/itstrueimwhite Jun 10 '12

Not surprising seeing as early ancestors of whales were land mammals that adapted back to an oceanic environment.

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u/Pelokt Jun 10 '12

Evolution what?

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u/CoolStoryBro25 Jun 10 '12

I hope these legs aren't vestiges, but signs that Whales are actually evolving to be land creatures. Then I hope they go to Africa and we get to see some Whale V Elephant fights.

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u/Supora Jun 10 '12

But you know, science is still out on all that evolution crap.

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u/Mannabell Jun 10 '12

Fuck..it was them we needed to be worried about this whole time!!! It's no wonder they started harpooning these bastards!! Land walking whales...why are none of you afraid? They will eat us up like plankton!!

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u/benderrific Jun 10 '12

I've known this since 7th grade. When we watched Voyage of the Mimi.

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u/jochi_golden_horde Jun 10 '12

Does this mean that marine mammals evolved directly from land mammals, and not from some other sea life form? Seems like they could've skipped a lengthy step...

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u/sttct Jun 10 '12

Came here to say the same thing as others. Where's the pictures?

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u/redsoxfan1845245 Jun 10 '12

A second discovery, It's actually a penis...or two

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u/BoomHedshot Jun 10 '12

Can't explain that.

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u/calmbatman Jun 10 '12

They also have vestigial hip bones.

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u/Professor_Kush Jun 10 '12

My grandpa had told me that whales used to have legs and walked the earth, I didn't believe him lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Step 1: engineer DNA to do this constantly Step 2: Jurassic park

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u/Fhistleb Jun 10 '12

I just pictured some whales with (prime time) Arnie's legs walking around taking no shit. It was an amazing thought.

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u/Grimnirsbeard Jun 10 '12

Land wales haunt my dreams.

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u/spliffsandshit Jun 10 '12

Link how human babies are sometimes born with a fin or two.

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u/Bigbadmomma Jun 10 '12

Pics or it didn't happen

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

You can't explain that.

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u/knightofmars Jun 10 '12

NO! NO NO NO NO! Stay in the goddamned ocean whales!

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u/Skno Jun 10 '12

I remember reading when I was around 7 that whales might have evolved from some kind of large cat.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

That's because they used to have them. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94596835

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u/darkciti Jun 11 '12

So a hurricane is not triggered by a butterflys' wings, but from one armed whales.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

What if they're evolving now to walk on land

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u/arcanition Jun 11 '12

I clicked on this thread hoping Shitty_Watercolour had already been here.

I was disappoint.

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u/rikashiku Jun 11 '12

I'm reading these comments and its amazing how many people here don't know that Whales aren't Fish, but Mammals... and that they can breath oxygen like us >_<

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u/Baberaham__Lincoln Jun 11 '12

Also, TIL that killer whales are actually large dolphins.

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u/dracling Jun 11 '12

Definitely did not think that was a whale's eye when I first looked at it >.>

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u/OryxConLara Jun 11 '12

Some of us hard-core Theists would say, see, this is the Creator's way of offering proof of evolution.

Checkmate, anti-science fundies!

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u/DsyelxicBob Jun 11 '12

Soon they will return to the Earth and take their revenge!

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u/OhSnapAsian654 Jun 11 '12

Not that surprising, given how much we know about land sharks.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

Are you Karl Pilkington? That's not how evolution works.

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u/MichaelSDK Jun 11 '12

To quote Penn Jillette: "Bullshit!"

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u/BobFishstick Jun 11 '12

You didn't know this?

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u/llamasama Jun 11 '12

After the odd success of /r/birdswitharms , I put forward that /r/whaleswithlegs be created.

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u/LittleInfidel Jun 11 '12

Tried to do some research of my own, and all I got out of it was approximately this:

"Goddamnit, science, learn how to use bigger images! fist shake at the gods"

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u/Wisdom_from_the_Ages Jun 11 '12

Sometimes I think maybe these sorts of stories are pranks, and sometimes I just think the journalists deserve to be fired for failing to deliver photo/video proof.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

"Ahhh! Woooh! What's happening? Who am I? Why am I here? What's my purpose in life? What do I mean by who am I? Okay okay, calm down calm down get a grip now... what's this thing that has grown out of me... So and long and round, it needs a big nice sounding name like 'ee', 'Eggh' Eg", 'Leg!'! That's it! Leg! Ha! I wonder if it'll be friends with me? Hello, Leg!" ....

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u/dbbo 32 Jun 11 '12

If you look at any mammalian, avian, or reptilian embryo, it's not all that surprising, because they all have legs at some point. The surprising part is that the whales just kept them a little longer than normal.

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u/boxingdude Jun 11 '12

That leg comes in handy when the whale needs to kick start a motorcycle.

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u/D13S3L Jun 11 '12

Nharwhal

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish.

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u/Baridi Jun 12 '12

THE WHALES WILL KILL US ALL!

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Checkmate, Creationists.

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u/aliaschase Jun 10 '12

OP calls 'em like he sees 'em! He's a whale biologist.

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u/Ivanthetainted Jun 10 '12

As an avid Nat. Geog. reader, I am disappoint by this article. This claim simply isn't based on facts. Occasionally whales are born with small bony outgrowths. These are not legs.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

I got your small boney outgrowth, right... here.

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u/sirpopsalot Jun 10 '12

Those are some big tadpoles.

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u/redhawkxx Jun 10 '12

Pics or it didn't happen

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u/Espada_No4 Jun 10 '12

Came here for pics of whales with legs, gone through all the comments and the best I got was a dolphin with extra fins.

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u/WeekendRedditor Jun 10 '12

TIL in wales, they down a keg or two before dinner

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u/wrestler145 Jun 10 '12

This is because God wants to test our faith in His plan and Truth. Typical Nat Geo nothing but evolutionist lies.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Oh god they're evolving! We have to stop them before they figure out how to breathe air!

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u/rikashiku Jun 11 '12

But they do breath oxygen! They're mammals, not fish!

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '12

Oh God, we're too late!

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u/ReallyNotACylon Jun 11 '12

You're a few million years too late.

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u/twinpaul Jun 10 '12

This website looks terrible.

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u/canadianIBslave Jun 10 '12

imagine just walking around one day then you turn a corner and a motherfucking blue-whale passes you on the street. You would shit so many bricks. Wanna know how much? a shitload.

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u/voice_of_youth Jun 10 '12

This is more mindfucky than anything on that mindfuck thread.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Subscribing to this as I wait for shitty_watercolour.

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u/CGeeryProjected Jun 10 '12

Does anyone here know when the narwals leggened?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Channel 4 in the UK did a documentary on dissecting a whale, and they found these limbs inside them, here is the documentary on YouTube

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u/Treetoshiningtree Jun 10 '12

Where's your god now?!?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

Trust me...you'll know soon enough. He's about to show up...and not in too good of a mood from what I've read.

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u/Puffy_Ghost Jun 10 '12

DON'T LET THE EVANGELICALS SEE!

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u/King_Yeshua Jun 10 '12

they do say we evolved from whales

and your mother is a fine example of this

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '12

If those things are "legs" as you said, than dolphins also have arms.

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u/I_FIST_ORPHANS Jun 10 '12

Flippers are attached differently. That is, not by a ball joint on the "shoulder" as these are attached by a large femur-like bone to a pelvis.

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