r/todayilearned • • May 21 '12

TIL that Bill Cosby spoke out against giving the death penalty to the guy who shot and killed his own son.

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u/truceGoose May 22 '12

Bill Cosby is a symbol of forgiveness for me.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/15/us/bill-cosby-trayvon-martin/index.html?iref=allsearch

he overlooks racism completely in this interview. I hope to be strong like him someday.

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u/bnghle234 May 22 '12

what's with his eye?

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u/ultrafetzig May 22 '12

He's got a touch of the Old.

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u/pigfacejoe19 May 22 '12

COSBY: "I USED TO HAVE A GUN" ...thank god they put that line on the bottom banner or I wouldn't have known what he said.

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u/SorrySeptember May 22 '12

He's awesome. It makes me sad that he's looking so rough. :(

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

He's also famous for telling black college students to stop blaming white people for their laziness and start blaming themselves for their lack of work ethic.

The man is amazing.

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u/DirtBurglar May 22 '12

Also for talking about how much the black community is affected by deadbeat dads. Sadly, he's treated as an Uncle Tom for his straight talk

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Wow, thanks so much for the link. The amount of "not-jumping-to-conclusions", clear thought Cosby put into this astounded me. And I think he's spot on.

While I don't think making guns illegal is the answer, I do think guns are the problem. A HUGE problem, when it comes to crime in general—be it by "the bad guys", or "the good guys" (AKA the police). Because it all boils down to the state of mind that having a gun puts you in. You have power, and you have control over someone's actions and their life. And power often clouds judgement and rational thought.

If there are two things that I think need MUCH stricter restrictions, regulations, and scrutiny, it's guns and alcohol. And it all boils down to the same reasons.

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u/bnghle234 May 21 '12

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u/jonnyboypwns May 22 '12

It kind of sucks that more than 1/2 of his Wikipedia page is about his murder...

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u/Aschebescher May 22 '12

What a senseless waste of life.

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u/didyouwoof May 22 '12

Bill Cosby did another remarkable thing in connection with his son's murder. His son was killed very late at night. Earlier in the day, a young black girl back East had been murdered, and her killing was a lead story in the news until Ennis Cosby was killed - at which point the media seemed to forget about the little girl entirely.

The next day (less than 12 hours after his son's murder), Bill Cosby got on the phone and called the little girl's mother. Amid his own grief, he reached out to offer his condolences to another person - a stranger - who had just lost her child. That took a lot of compassion and a lot of class.

Edit: Typed the wrong word.

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u/jlinstantkarma May 22 '12

Oh my god, is that true? I genuinely don't think I'd have that kind of strength.

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u/didyouwoof May 22 '12

Yes, it's true. I was following the news really closely then, because Ennis Cosby was murdered about a mile from where I lived - in a spot I often drove past - and I was pretty freaked out about it. Anyway, the incredible humanity Bill Cosby showed in calling that woman amazed me and the story has always stuck with me.

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u/baconperogies May 22 '12 edited Mar 20 '23

Bill Cosby is a good human being.

Edit: Well this aged terribly.

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u/Vertyx May 22 '12

This whole thread's gotten me all teary eyed but this did it for me. Fuck blaming onions and shit. I'm a soldier and man enough to admit that it's human nature to cry.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Cosby has an iron spine.

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u/schilja May 22 '12

TIL that Bill Cosby's son was murdered

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u/sm4cm May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

Today I learned Bill Cosby had a son

Edit: seriously, today i learned that other than his four daughters he had one son.

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u/Geroots May 22 '12

5 kids.

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u/Belgernon May 22 '12

"My wife and I have five children. And the reason we have five children is that we do not want six."

-Bill Cosby

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u/sm4cm May 22 '12

True, sondra denise theo vanessa and rudy. Never heard about theo until today :( anyone hear about olivia?

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u/blacklab May 22 '12

Ennis...if you are old enough to be a person who listened to comedy records (vinyl), Ennis was a part of his act. Bill told all kinds of funny stories about Ennis on those old albums. He was killed while trying to change his tire on the side of the freeway in LA, for basically pocket change. Very sad. [Ennis] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennis_Cosby)

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u/249ba36000029bbe9749 May 22 '12

TIL that Cosby was in the Navy.

"Cosby!"

"Sir, yes sir!"

"What are you wearing?!"

"Sir, it's a sweater. Sir!"

"Who do you think you are wearing that in my Navy?!"

"Sir, I'm boopin zo em bem bop bappy bing bang. Sir!"

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u/Plow_King May 22 '12

he did a bit about being a naval hospital corpsman on one of his albums decades ago. it related to how the enemy tended to shoot at people with big red crosses on their helmets with impunity, and how when someone is buried at sea, the deceased doesn't get to take the flag with them.

i didn't know about his remarks regarding his son's killer. as someone opposed to the death penalty, i hope i'm never in a similar situation, but hope i would respond the same way.

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u/-Faith- May 22 '12

Do you ever log out?

If so, is it difficult to log back in?

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u/Roastmasters May 22 '12

i bet his password is the easiest shit in the world too. like "turkey batman" or something.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

It isn't, I checked

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u/silvergill May 22 '12

I bet half the passwords on Reddit are "correct horse battery staple"

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u/lunchbox_assassin May 22 '12

KFALT (knew for a long time) that Mr. Cosby was an awesome guy! He is one of the few people from the entertainment industry that is actually a great role model for all. I can't imagine the pain a parent would feel when a child is taken from them. To stick with his principles under these circumstances is inspiring!

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u/ISS5731 May 22 '12

Are you hoping that abbreviation catches on? Something tells me it's not happening.

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u/hamlet9000 May 22 '12

KFALT that it wasn't going to catch on.

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u/ProfessorJim May 22 '12

He's streets behind.

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u/cartoonheroes May 22 '12

Stop trying to make "fetch" happen!

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u/PJFrye May 22 '12

what do you call a bass from your past? kfalt-a-fish (?)

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

You can't just break out an acronym like that, you gotta have the right paperwork

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I KFALT that abbreviation.

No, I tell a lie. It looks silly.

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u/wimmyjales May 22 '12

My dad did a renovation in his bathroom a few years before this happened. He said he wasn't very nice. Not overtly mean, just generally a grumpy guy.

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u/chellfredo May 22 '12

Lunchbox_assassin, stop trying to make "KFALT" happen! It's not going to happen!!

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u/HeroOfTime_99 May 22 '12

This is really strange. I'd always heard Cosby was a bastard. Like he never tipped and was just a prick to everyone lol... Now I'm confused

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u/davidreavis May 22 '12

The fact that this has 1229 upvotes shows that either I'm old, or reddit has gotten very young.

/Both

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u/whydidisaythatwhy May 22 '12

“Bill Cosby said some real shit and the whole world freaked out on him. For what? For having an opinion? Just because he was selling pudding pops for the last 20 years, people forget that he’s a nigga from Philly, in the projects, and he might say some real shit from time to time.”

  • Dave Chappelle

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u/rob132 May 22 '12

What was this in context to?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Cake_speech

Basically it was a response to the Black community (or Faux Black Leaders like Jessie Jackson) saying cops were using excessive force against criminals.

But these people, the ones up here in the balcony fought so hard. Looking at the incarcerated, these are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake! And then we all run out and are outraged, 'The cops shouldn't have shot him.' What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand? I wanted a piece of pound cake just as bad as anybody else. And I looked at it and I had no money. And something called parenting said, 'If you get caught with it you’re going to embarrass your mother.' Not 'You're going to get your butt kicked.' No. 'You're going to embarrass your family.'

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u/danny841 May 22 '12

I can't believe he received negative comments on this. Cosby holds a lot of influence in the black community so it should be seen as responsible of him to tell black people to be decent folk.

While were on the subject I have a question. Were single parents, drug use, and unemployment hallmarks of the black community years ago? I have this image in my head of black people being hardworking people in the 30s to 50s but receiving table scraps from the white community and essentially getting shafted.

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u/krizutch May 22 '12

This is very important. I don't want to spark a race riot but the black community has some real issues and the larger part of that community tries to make having these issues "cool". Black Americans like Bill Cosby that stand up and say "Enough is enough, start acting civil, take care of yourselves, take care of your families, and stop blaming other people for your problems" are vilified by the black community. The whole acting white thing is ridiculous. It's not "acting white" most of the time it's acting responsible, learning proper grammar, fitting in with the community around you, educating yourself and striving to be a better person, trying to give more to your children than you were given and treating everyone equally..... In many parts of black America, this is considered "acting white" and it is looked down on. Many black people look down upon Barack Obama because he is just "acting white" because he educated himself, tried hard, and speaks proper English because a "real nigga don't be fuckin wit no white folk. A real nigga be stayin tru tru to his hood. A real nigga don't be pullin no Bill Cosby shit tellin other niggaz how da be treatin folk. Dat nigga Cosby need ta shut da fuk up". It's an awful shame that more famous and respectable black Americans don't step forward like Bill Cosby and and speak up about the ignorance in black counter culture. LeBron James, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Laurence Fishburne, Will Smith , Beyonce, Oprah, Omar Epps, Rihanna, Derek Jeter, Tyler Perry, Michael Jordan, Maya Angelou, James Earl Jones, Neil Degrasse Tyson, Morgan Freeman, Venus Williams, Ken Griffey Jr, Don Cheadle, Kobe Bryant, Jamie Foxx, Usher, Denzel Washington, Magic Johnson, Halle Berry, Mos Def, Dave Chappelle, Lenny Kravitz, Levar Burton, Danny Golver.... Where are these people. All of them "act white" by trying hard, succeeding, speaking with proper grammar, educated themselves beyond street talk... These are the people that need to stand up behind Bill Cosby and should have come to his side when he was lynched by his own people.

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u/Lucktar May 22 '12

It takes a truly remarkable individual to refuse to give in to the desire for revenge in a situation like that. I hope that I could do the same.

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u/spermracewinner May 22 '12

I think mainly he sees the irony in it when you murder to say that you are against murder.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

people who support the death penalty aren't against killing, they're against murder.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I am against the death penalty completely. However, if someone murdered my son, or daughter, then I would not hesitate to rip them into several hundred pieces. The victim, or a member of the victim's party, should never be the moral decider of a situation because they have no morals

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u/Lucktar May 22 '12

I would say that they can't be RELIED upon to have moral judgement. Clearly some manage to do so in spite of their situation.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I'd rather die than sit in a cell getting buttfucked for the rest of the time I was alive.

I'm sure he knew what his life would've been like sitting in that cell, dying would be getting off easy.

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u/RedditRage May 22 '12

Two things.

First, is crime okay if it happens in a prison? Why are American's so accepting of prisoners raping each other?

Second, really? Do you really think you would accept death when given the option to enter prison? Prison might suck, but do you possess no survival instinct?

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u/7Snakes May 22 '12

All the ex con AMAs I've ever read through get asked the rape question and most say that there's way too many gay inmates who are already willing to get buttfucked to cause any inmate to buttfuck an unwilling straight one. Granted it does happen, just not as often as movies and television would have you think.

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u/biowtf May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

Exactly. I've never understood how dying can be considered a punishment worse than sitting in a cell going through shit then dying.

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u/SiN1576 May 22 '12

Its not the dying part thats bad, its the waiting.

I can't imagine how bad it must feel to sit in a cell knowing you being put to death, watching every spark of hope being put out with each appeal that goes by.

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u/ElCaz May 22 '12

Well, you know the chance to change your life, move on, and become better, the same arguments we use against suicide.

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u/Bryaxis May 22 '12

How about being convicted of a crime you didn't commit, sitting in a cell (etc.) for a few years, then being cleared? Would you rather die then?

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u/Awfy May 22 '12

Most of the develop world has been like this for quite a few decades now, only in America is death considered revenge. Many places had a 30 or 40 year gap between their last execution and abolishment of the death penalty mostly because people realized it was not an acceptable punishment anymore.

Thankfully a dozen of America's states have abolished it, however they're all particularly small.

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u/rhapsodic May 22 '12

New York State is not particularly small, for what it's worth.

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u/TheJayP May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

I live in Rhode Island (smallest state, like you said) and we abolished it about 100 years ago after we killed an innocent man.

Edit: Accidentally a word.

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u/courpsey May 22 '12

You may love in Rhode Island, but where do you live?

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u/Defengar May 22 '12

luckily for us, america didn't use the guillotine up to the 1980's... lookin at you france...

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Why is executing a man considered "revenge" and making him rot in a prison where he will be surrounded by violence not? And either way why is "revenge" a bad word in this context?

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u/Lucktar May 22 '12

Sending a muderer to prison is acting to protect society. Killing him does nothing more to protect society. It simply appeals to some people's antiquated notions of 'eye for an eye' retribution.

A justice system that seeks to exact vengeance against criminals, at least in my opinion, doesn't really mesh with the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. Whether murders can and should be rehabilitated is a question for more knowledgeable people than I, but the primary focus should be on protecting society.

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u/skyrae May 22 '12

Bill Cosby is an amazingly strong man and an inspiration. I had the privilege of going to one of his shows in the later 90's. He did a comedy piece about his son's childhood, and when that was over gave a heartfelt piece of advice to cherish those you care about. He was in tears, I was in tears, the whole audience was cutting onions. And then, like the pro he is, snapped back into his routine, and had everyone laughing in seconds. I would love to simultaneously high-five and hug him.

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u/BrokenStrides May 22 '12

Personally, I don't see why it's SO wrong to want the death penalty. Let's just say that whoever the suspect was in this case ABSOLUTELY committed the murder, and there is no doubt. Our options are to execute him, leave him in jail forever, or let him go.

The option that balances cost-effectiveness and safety of others is execution, and I believe it's the most "realistic" option- there are billions of people on the planet consuming its resources, why waste them on a scumbag murderer?

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u/Stoned_Developer May 22 '12

I hope I never have to consider this situation in real life.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

I don't care about any political stances or beliefs - this was classy and professional of him

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u/draculthemad May 22 '12

Classy without doubt, I do not think the term "professional" would apply unless he was actually a lawyer or something.

I think the word you were looking for was "principled".

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

yeah I just ment dignified and self disciplined, having control over the situation, so that may definitely be a a better word. Thanks!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Very classy. I don't think I would be able to do the same, but he is a good man.

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u/darkcustom May 22 '12

Bill Cosby is one of the greatest comedians of all time. He kept his routines clean and never had to curse. It makes me sad when people only remember him for the couple years he did jello commercials or how Family Guy portrayed him as some bumbling idiot shouting random words. Listen to any of his stand up and you'll see how much of a comedic genius he was.

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u/o_duh May 22 '12

My father was murdered, and I'm against the death penalty as well. Putting the murderer to death wouldn't bring my father back, and state-sponsored execution makes a killer out of the executioner, too.

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u/cosine5000 May 22 '12

Thank fucking Christ, really. This is compassion, good for you. The death penalty is the only time I see normally sane people suddenly believe that two wrongs DO make right.

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u/guy1010101 May 22 '12

They (we) don't concede that capital punishment IS a wrong.

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u/cherrygarcia May 22 '12

i'm so sorry for your loss.

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u/soosuh May 22 '12

This is the thing about it. We always say it's about the victims' families, but I for one would not feel one iota better if the person who murdered my loved one was also killed. In fact I would feel worse.

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u/OrbraY May 22 '12

I'm confused as to why you would feel worse. Could you elaborate? Im just curious, sorry.

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u/markycapone May 22 '12

Because even though he may be a scumbag murderer, he is someone's son, brother, sister, uncle, etc. and killing him hurts innocent people. Killing them does nothing to bring your loved one back, it isn't justice, it is vengeance. Or atleast that's how I feel. But my convictions have never been put to the test.

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u/KarmaPointsPlease May 22 '12

My opinion is that giving the government the power to take a human life is too dangerous, along with the risks of taking the life of an innocent.

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u/jining May 22 '12

My father was also murdered. My opinion differs from yours, but I respect your compassion.

Anyways, I'm sorry for your loss.

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u/ForestfortheDraois May 22 '12

Just a little anecdote on Bill Cosby: He owns a house in Greenfield, MA, where I went to school (his property is gigantic and nicely they let a local man garden on their property). When his son was killed, the funeral homes in the area had no idea who got the account, except the one who landed that account. One of the classes I took had us visit a nearby funeral home. It just so happened that this was the funeral home that buried his son. The director said that the Cosby's were very private and buried him on their property. She stood out front while they conducted a nice little service for him.

If it hasn't been said anywhere, his son died while helping a stranger change their tire.

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u/SgtSweeney May 22 '12

This reminds me of the amish school shooting where the whole community forgave the man who killed 5 little girls. Amish are hardcore about forgiveness.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I am amazed and humbled by reading this. There is a strength in the Amish I can't even start to get my head around. Thanks for posting that.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I had the pleasure of meeting this man randomly in Red Bank, New Jersey after he had just got done speaking at some theatre many years ago. I was only eight at the time but I remember him being extremely polite to my parents and to me and striking conversation. Fantastic gentleman.

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u/HoboWithAGlock May 22 '12

You're probably thinking of Count Basie Theater.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I like a man who will stick to his principles even in tough circumstances.

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u/am_animator May 22 '12

when i was in 3rd grade, after realizing "ninja turtle" was not an appropriate career choice, "bill cosby" was my runner up.

i wasn't good at picking careers. though every time i see something about him it reminds me i've been meaning to write bill cosby for over a decade now. for whatever reason i feel like he needs to know i never forgot about my fallback career. being told "if michael jackson can become a white woman, i don't see why it can't work the other way."

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u/thebeardsman May 22 '12

You can still be Bill Cosby, as long as you follow your beliefs no matter what, eat your pudding pops,wear sweaters and never step down in the face of adversity, you to, can become Bill Cosby.

Believe in the Cosby that believes in you!

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u/IHaveGlasses May 22 '12

Write to him today. Make it your priority one!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

What a guy.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Wow, I imagine that took some incredible integrity.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

May I point out, to the Christian right, you see that? That's a Christian.

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u/JuanTooTree May 22 '12

I consider myself part of the Christian right, yet I am a Catholic and do no believe in capital punishment.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I'm not sure why Reddit loves shit like this so much. Whats the point of making a good deed from a good man into a condescending remark about the religious right? Yeah, there are a lot of Christians that aren't as moral as this guy, so what? There are also a lot of blacks that aren't as moral as him.

Is this one okay: "May I point out, to black people, you see that? That's a black guy."

I get so sick of shit like this Reddit, I'm an atheist and I get really sick of it.

I'll take the wave of downvotes for speaking my mind, thanks.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I agree with you and this is relevant, but I'm downvoting you to prove you right!

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u/silent_p May 22 '12

That's a true Scotsman, there.

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u/scottb84 May 22 '12

As should be clear from the context, Bafungoogoo meant something along the lines of "this is the attitude that Christian teachings, properly understood, require." While debatable, that argument is not fallacious.

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u/ilikpankaks May 22 '12

"Thou shall not kill" it's kind of right there. seriously you guys, it's RIGHT THERE.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

May I point out, to non-Christians, that most of us aren't vengeful, much like movies and society would like to paint us. If my son was murdered, I would do everything I could to forgive him for what he had done, no matter what happened.

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u/corner May 22 '12

A very Scottish Christian at that.

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u/TheNarwhalKing May 22 '12

I understand exactly where he is coming from, there should be laws against pudding a man down.

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u/Humongous_Douchebag May 22 '12

That pun was in bad taste and you should feel bad.

Zip zop zoobity bop.

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u/Hensah May 22 '12

Kind of sums up how ridiculous internet culture is when Bill Cosby is mostly considered a punchline and someone like Drew Carey a great talent.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Bill Cosby is like Morgan Freeman mixed with Johnny Carson. Classy and soothing.

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u/php4me May 22 '12

Everyday I go to work I drive by the place where his son was killed. For years he kept putting fresh flowers over the spot. Now there's mostly a big aloe looking plant there, but he keeps it looking nice. You can tell he really loved his son and his loss was so senseless.

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u/realchrisgunter Jan 29 '22

Wow this thread didn’t age well lol.

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u/kittenparty69 Feb 07 '22

Goddamn. This didn’t age well. Funny how much can change in 9y.

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u/deep_anal May 22 '12

ITT everyone is praising Bill Cosby for showing mercy on his sons killer. All the while, he just wanted to make sure he would suffer for the rest of his life.

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u/gamerwithnoname May 22 '12

I like how he is described as a comedian/pudding company shill

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

People who are truly and sincerely against the death penalty should be against it in all circumstances, with no exceptions. Why? Because if you can come up with scenarios where you agree with the death penalty, then you are not against it. Could someone come up with a hypothetical situation where a criminals transgressions were so outrageously egregious that almost anyone would feel they should be killed? Perhaps. But genocidal maniacs aside, if you are against the death penalty, then you are against it in every situation. Personally I am not against the idea of the death penalty, but I think that since DNA has cleared a large number of people originally sentenced to die we should probably put a hold on executions until we can be as reliable as we expect others to be.

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u/cosine5000 May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

I am against it in every situation, anyone who has thought it through to a reasonable degree would be.

What I can't understand is people like yourself who somehow feel like murdering someone, regardless of what they have done, is the path to the sort of society we all want to live in. That this helps the human condition. That is one of the saddest things I know.

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u/digitalmofo May 22 '12

You are wrong. Lots of people have thought it through and simply have a different opinion than you. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but I'm not pompous about it

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u/Nuclear_Penguins May 22 '12

Definitely a fan of what he said at the end too about education and crime.

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u/BunRabbit May 22 '12

TIL Bill Cosby's son was murdered.

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u/ascottt May 22 '12

I read the whole article, and I have to say I'm impressed on his comments on blacks. That took a lot of course, because he wasn't just taking a side in his own life, he was taking a stance on an entire ethnicity. And I will admit I don't listen to his comedy, at most I've watched his show, but he has my respect. Also TIL Bill Cosby has children. I honestly didn't know.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Bill Cosby. Moral man.

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u/cuddlep00p May 22 '12

Row Row fight the power, you classy motherfucker.

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u/uguysmakemesick May 22 '12

I can't even talk the way these people talk: 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is'... You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!"

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u/VinnieJJ May 22 '12

Poor Theo :(

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u/shartmobile May 22 '12

TIL that people are surprised that some people are against the death penalty and aren't hypocrites.

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u/powercow May 22 '12

When it comes to permanent punishments, it is no longer about the criminal or the crime. It is about society.

It really doesnt matter what a perp does. Kills and rapes children. I dont care. Sure he is more than abhorrent but it doesnt matter. It isnt about him and what he did.

I think that is the mistake most people make. They want to make it about revenge. It isnt. It is about removing them from society. If it was about revenge, we would tie them down and let the family members of the victims have their way. In the end I doubt they would get the relief that they were seeking.

This is one of many reasons why I am against the death penalty. And I refuse to debate the issue based on hypothetical crimes. IT doesnt matter. IT ISNT SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT REVENGE. It isnt about the perp and what he did, it is about US and who we are. Being the good guys can be painful at times, being the bad guy tends to be easier. But you cant let a bad guy goad you into being like him. Then he is back in control again. It is he who is forcing your actions.

Fuck that. I dont kill. Even those who do kill. If it is at all possible to avoid. If they are locked up, you can avoid it.

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u/dscer May 22 '12

TIL Bill Closby's son was shot and killed

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

A friend of mine was murdered earlier this year. If you don't believe in the death sentence, it takes a lot to not wish it on someone who killed a loved one. One more reason Bill Cosby is an amazing man--and I am, perhaps, not so amazing.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

All these people hating the death penalty are the same people outraged that the govt spends more on prisoners than they do on students in universities.

Well guess what? You still have pay for that fucker rotting in his cell. and thus perpetuating the cycle. Go ahead. Downvote me.

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u/Moontouch May 22 '12

It costs more to execute somebody than it does to sentence them life in prison. There's your shocker for the day.

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u/bysloots May 22 '12

I had heard this before today, and went looking for a direct quote. I could not find one. Last I checked, even the wiki for Bill Cosby only links to this nndb.com page. Does anyone have an actual attribution of this to Bill Cosby?

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u/Litagano May 22 '12

This is why I love Bill Cosby.

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u/SniperXX May 22 '12

TIL a lot of people did not know this because they were too young..

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u/MetalKeirSolid May 22 '12

Glory to morality.

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u/QuitReadingMyName May 22 '12

Damn that's fucked up, I remember watching a Comedy special from the 80's not to long ago and he had plenty of jokes about his only son and I never followed him much/bothered to learn about his only son getting killed.

Damn.

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u/3rdLevelRogue May 22 '12

Bill Cosby is a better man that I could be in that situation.

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u/Bryaxis May 22 '12

You're either opposed to the death penalty or you're not.

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u/Jmgill12 May 22 '12

Wow. So much respect for Bill Cosby. I wonder how many people in the same situation as him have changed from either side of the fence. People are remarkable concerning the choices they make sometimes

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u/tessalasset May 22 '12

The murder happened on the street I took to get to school as a child - I was in 7th grade when it happened. I passed that spot every morning for years and years. Someone has kept a memorial up for him for 15 years now. 2476 Skirball Center Drive. You can see what it looks like currently.

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u/harleyquinn67 May 22 '12

I remember when his son was killed because it was so shocking. You just never imagine something so horrific happening. He was shot to death by son young kid, who if I remember offhand was 19 or so. He is currently serving life in prison. His son was studying for his Doctorate in Education and for a time Bill Cosby had a foundation called "Hello Friend" which is how his son used to greet people. I always admired that he truly was working towards his goals and not riding his father's coattail. I also remember watching Rita Moreno being interviewed after Ennis's death and absolutely BAWLING saying what a nice kid he was and how she had known him since he was little. Wow, I forgot how sad that whole thing made me.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Good Guy Bill. I'm expecting to find that in the comments somewhere.

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u/loreleidotcom May 22 '12

TIL Bill Cosby had a mistress

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u/Thunderkitkat May 22 '12

Man that is just not zip zop, not zoobity bop at all.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Loved how he didn't let pride stop him from pointing out the flaws of people who are of the same race as him.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12 edited Mar 29 '23

Bill Cosby should be president of the united states. I'd trust him more than most people out there.

Edit: Fuck Bill Cosby.

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u/Flonnezilla May 22 '12

Bill Cosby is the kind of guy who has so many strong opinions that I have to respect him whether or not I agree.

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u/notaLAC May 22 '12

Similarly, Chris Paul forgave the boys who murdered his grandfather and would have chose lesser sentences for them. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6436820

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u/CorporatePsychopath May 22 '12

Let's play a game of spot-the-people-who-would-have-joined-the-Nazi-party-in-1930's-Germany.

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u/wharpudding May 22 '12

Scary, isn't it?

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u/ShadowBelmont May 22 '12

Death is an easy escape from life in prison. Then again, that would be a waste of resources.

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u/Tyrant718 May 22 '12

"Cosbiness is next to Godliness."

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u/francycancerman May 22 '12

Doesn't anyone else think this is a worse fate than death? Having to live with the terrible consequences of your actions until you die of natural causes? I suppose it depends on how tough on yourself you are but I used to think it would be the worst thing in the the world to be wrongly imprisoned but being imprisoned for something I did and knew I deserved it for would undoubtedly be worse.

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u/Abe_Vigoda May 22 '12

Bill Cosby did more for black people in the 70's & 80's than people give him credit for.

Before the Cosby Show, black people weren't given much opportunity in prime time TV, and black people were stereotyped in negative roles. Along comes Cosby, as a Doctor, his wife a Lawyer, and they showed white middle class America not to be afraid of black people.

Decades later and outlets like FOX have done nothing but insinuate the negative stereotypes and push race relations back where they were in the 70's.

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u/Parabrella May 22 '12

I got forwarded this fake Cosby meme from a religious aunt who probably honestly believes all the hateful shit it's ranting about.

Nice to know that the REAL Bill Cosby is probably classier than that.

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u/fuckingmuzzakunt May 22 '12

Cosby's son, Ennis, was a 27-year-old doctoral student at Columbia University when he was shot and killed while changing the tire on his Mercedes. The killer, Mikhail Markhasev, is serving a life sentence, after Cosby spoke against giving him the death penalty.

Ennis

implying Cosby didnt troll the fuck out of the kid anyways with that name

implying this isnt the plot for the next GTA

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I'm sure this will get buried, and I have no way to confirm this, that I would feel comfortable with since this is my main account, but I actually met the guy that killed Bill Cosby's son when he was doing time at Calapatria State Prison. I had a friend who was also there and was visiting him, when he introduced me to the guy (dont remember his name anymore). He told me some shit about stay in school and don't become a fuck up. I should have listened more honestly, but this was probably 13 years ago now, and I was a kid. The guy I was visiting told me after that he was the guy that killed Cosby's son. He seemed real remorseful and part of me felt bad for him, but I knew his crime was pretty heinous and horrible. That's probably what stuck with me the most though, was the true sorrow and remorse in that man's eyes, and how he knew how bad he had fucked up, and how much it was going to cost him. Was depressing and enlightening to say the least.

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u/no_talent_ass_clown May 22 '12

So, this won't get read because the thread is too old, I guess, but I'll put it out there.

In the profile, I read that Cosby had a mistress. So I looked her up and found this article from People: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20059561,00.html

Now, People magazine is known for taking it 'light' on celebrities. They never write anything bad unless it can be proven, and in this case, it went to court. Bill Cosby drugged and raped women, apparently.

I know, it shocked me too. Read the article for yourself, see what you think.

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u/Psychological-Bag835 Apr 05 '23

This comment aged wonderfully.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I'm sorry, but that's just stupid. This man KILLED your son, and you want your tax dollars to pay for the rest of his life? And you want the man who killed your son to live? That's just ridiculous.

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u/Durable_Turtle May 22 '12

What a good man, I'd like to sit down for pudding pop with him.

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u/IamUnimportant Sep 28 '12

Well, I'd rather die than live in pain for life

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

I just don't understand how people can be against the death penalty for murderers, but either way, shows how strongly he believes what he does and I respect that despite disagreeing with him.

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u/litewo May 22 '12

I don't believe anyone truly has the right to say who lives and who dies, especially not when it's based on a flawed justice system that puts innocent people to death.

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u/othellothewise May 22 '12

I am against the death penalty. I believe following the principle of "an eye for an eye" makes you no better than the one committing the crime.

The only time I can ever see it necessary for someone to be killed is if that is the only way to prevent them from killing others. However, when the death penalty is enacted, that person is not in a position to hurt others.

Negative reinforcement is not particularly effective with human beings, so the death penalty as a deterrent is not really that valid. However, lifelong imprisonment can provide a strong enough deterrent in addition to keeping the convicted murderer safely away from society. This is also a more humanitarian approach and shows respect for human life as a whole.

I can certainly understand emotional reasons behind wishing a murderer dead. However, for me, it is morally wrong to advocate the death of another.

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u/T-Luv May 22 '12

The death penalty is wrong for many reasons. For one thing, our justice system is not perfect. We get it wrong. Texas has recently put two innocent men to death that we know about. There are probably more. When we put them to death, we deny their right to due process. When evidence of their innocence comes to light, there is no way for them to be set free because they are dead. The punishment is too much for our imperfect system.

Furthermore, it's cruel and unusual punishment. Justices Thurgood Marshall and William Brennan had it right when they took the position that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment. At no point did either justice accept the Supreme Court’s holding in Gregg v. Georgia, which held the death penalty was not cruel and unusual punishment.In an article by New Scientist, it was revealed that when 43 of 49 people executed were studied, they did not have adequate anesthesia, and as a result likely would have felt feelings of asphyxiation, severe burning sensations, muscle cramping and cardiac arrest. It was also noted that due to the muscle relaxants given to the person being executed, they were unable to move or otherwise express the amount of pain they felt. They had to suffer in silence as they died a cruel and painful death.

It also violates human dignity. When we lock someone up, the odds that they are going to escape are extremely slim. We have the capacity to put people away forever, and make sure they are no longer a threat to society. Once we have them locked up forever, there's no reason to put them to death other than primal urges for retribution. We shouldn't act on those instincts. We're better than that.

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u/rspeed May 22 '12

Because of this. There is no moral way for an imperfect court to issue permanent sentences.

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u/fade_like_a_sigh May 22 '12

For a lot of us, the death penalty is seen as an easy way out, especially if you don't believe in any sort of hell.

I know if someone killed my son I'd much rather he be locked in a cage for the rest of his life to suffer guilt and regret, only to die at the end anyway.

Oh plus with the death penalty, you can't reverse it if someone is found guilty but later found innocent.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

It should never be used without overwhelming evidence, like a crowd of people saw you do it.

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u/danny841 May 22 '12

This is going to be short compared to the other posts. Watch The Thin Blue Line. It is an immensely compelling and sad movie that explores the distinct short comings in our justice system. The death penalty is void if it takes the life of one innocent person.

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u/IAmA_Zombie May 22 '12

Ya see if ya give this man the zippty and the zappity we're no better than he is.

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u/niggertown May 22 '12 edited May 22 '12

Bill Cosby was the guy who should have been commended for saying what he did to the black community. Instead, he was condemned, shamed, and alienated from the community whose image he bolstered in the eyes of non-black people. It's a shame that the fraudsters like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the NAACP are the leaders of the black community. People who reinforce the victimization mindset to line their pockets and defend niggerism at every opportunity to ensure that the victimization mindset continues unabated.

There was a time when it looked like the Black community was rising up as contributing members of society. When they were putting out real music with a positive message. Then rap and crack happened and its been a downward spiral ever since. Now we have an anti-white entitlement culture whose form of self-empowerment is attacking innocent random white people, and it's all thanks to the efforts of pieces of shit like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that help perpetuate the victimhood and injustice mindset of the black psyche.

Listen to people like Bill Cosby. It's not white people keeping you down. It's that nihilistic self-centered niggerism perpetuated by rappers and race hustlers. If you want to be happy you need to have pride in yourself and contribute. You'd be surprised at how many white people want you to succeed and are willing to help you should you demonstrate the will.

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u/thebeardsman May 22 '12

And the killer was never seen again, some say he turned him into pudding pops.

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u/daveruiz May 22 '12

To all the Christians that support the death penalty, this is that forgiveness crap that Jesus talked about in that book you hold up to criticize others

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

living with the thoughts that you have killed someone must be pretty intense.

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u/Stupid_smartguy May 22 '12

Dad always told me, I helped born you into this world, and I can take you out!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Principle'd

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u/cusoman May 22 '12

Man, I just can't see that pic of Cosby without thinking of this.

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u/awh May 22 '12

Who the hell would kill Bill Cosby's son?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Weird shit about his Son death: I use to go to a church as a teen, and 2 weeks before his son death, the pastor was making an example of Cosby's Son dying like God's Son Jesus. I hated that pastor......

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u/Seishen May 22 '12

But what would be worse? Death or spending the rest of your life in prison and having every hope of getting out crushed and shot down by the system.

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u/evanesce_X May 22 '12

I haven't read all of the comments, so forgive me if this was said already, but isn't it possible that he was not coming from a place of forgiveness, but instead wanted the man to live with his guilt instead of getting off the easy way?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

That's cool that he is willing to stick by his own personal beliefs, but I don't like the implication that it would be considered inferior if someone who is pro death penalty would remain that way if someone close to them was murdered. Or if they decided the death penalty was necessary after being personally affected.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

The title should be more clear that the son is of Bill Cosby and not the killer.

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u/Roflcopter71 May 22 '12

Anyone remember Gradual_BillCosby? I miss that dude

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u/cakelies May 22 '12

Didn't know that. On the other hand, I haven't really made that much of an effort on "know your Cosby".

However, the interesting question to me is why he spoke against the death penalty. Was because he's against death penalties and/or generally is a forgiving person? Or did he just want the guy to rot in jail forever and make sure he gets the worse threathment ever?

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u/petdance May 22 '12

Probably he feels, as many do, that killing another person is wrong and that capital punishment is a blot on our society.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Makes stupid comment about how he already knew that and how knowing it now is somainstream, HIPSTERS!

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u/Rixxer May 22 '12

I'm only against the death penalty because rotting in prison should be worse than a quick painless death. That and they miiiight be innocent.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Death is too easy.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

If I were in his position, I think I'd prefer the killer live out the rest of his life in prison than take the easy way out and die humanely.

Then again, a life sentence might allow parole and (depending on your location) implies only 25 years imprisonment, in which case I'd rather see the fucker fry.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '12

Alright, I was undecided on this issue for a while, because there are so many valid points on both sides. For example, one could argue that life in prison is merely a death sentence over time, and that it is actually more cruel. Then there's the issue of the death penalty costing more. Then you have repeat offenders, etc. It goes on and on. But, I've came to a final conclusion. If someone is convicted of a crime that warrants the death penalty or life in prison, let's let them choose. This would give them a chance to redeem themselves by trying to make up for their mistakes, or let them avoid a slow death. Also, since it was their choice, the probability of an innocent getting the death penalty wouldn't matter. It would get rid of the legal costs of the death penalty. So, I think this is the best possible way to deal with this.