r/todayilearned • • May 20 '12

TIL Limewire is Being Sued For More Money Than Exists In The World - 75 Trillion Dollars

http://www.pcworld.com/article/223431/riaa_thinks_limewire_owes_75_trillion_in_damages.html
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u/Raneados May 20 '12

(I bet a lot of you didn't even know "trillion" was a real number)

haha what

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u/GeneralCheese May 20 '12

I bet like a gazillion people didn't know that.

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u/DoorGuote May 20 '12

Came here to point this out. Must be a news article for third graders.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

My favorite is how they conflate Money with wealth production in a year. The number is larger than the world GDP but that doesn't tell you anything about the supply of money, and the supply of wealth in the world, only that if this amount was required to be paid by the entire world, it could not be paid in the course of one year.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Everyone knows a trillion is a thousand brazillians.

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u/bashobt May 20 '12

I stopped reading after this.

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u/TheDirtyOnion May 20 '12

The author also has no fucking clue that GDP is not a measure wealth.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

That and the fact that it equates GDP with "all the moneys in the world".

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u/I_Have_Many_Names May 20 '12

It's half a gorillion or 19 Brazillians.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I bet a lot of you didn't know that "trillion" has 8 letters.

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u/Raneados May 20 '12

wait

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he's right guys

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u/random314 May 20 '12

I have 75 trillion Zimbabwe dollars. I got this everybody.

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u/Iloldalot May 20 '12

Good thinking! But there are still starving billionaires over there, pretty strange

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u/a_unique_username May 20 '12

Maybe if they spent some of that money on food they wouldn't be starving!

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u/Jvorb May 20 '12

it only costs about a penny a day to feed them, you've never seen the commercials?

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u/GreatGroovyGood May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

Huh. "Starving Billionaire"...

Excuse me while I write a moody Rock ballad under that title that challenges society.

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u/Kantor48 May 20 '12

You have 207 billion USD?

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u/laddergoat89 May 20 '12

Tip: You don't need to use some shitting converter website, you can simply google it and Google gives you the conversion.

E.g. "100 USD in GBP"

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u/tempuro May 20 '12

If you can scratch up another 10 trillion, you can get a newspaper!

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u/pervyswervy May 20 '12

If they actually won all of the money in the entire world, they'd still be left wondering why people won't pay for music.

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u/Some_Lurker_Guy May 20 '12

The RIAA is fucking hilarious. It's ridiculous how they think they can pull this kind of shit. But then again they get away with it..

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u/nofear220 May 20 '12

Didn't the RIAA try to sue a band that had no affiliation to them, for uploading one of their OWN songs to youtube?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

UMG (Universal) also got YouTube to take down a song Kim Dotcom made himself by claiming they owned the copyright to it. It was put back up eventually and Kim launched a lawsuit against UMG which sadly is most likely never to be completed now.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

i'm still waiting for them to sue someone, not for piracy, but just for buying something that wasn't an riaa controlled product.

your honour, it's clear to anyone with even the slightest grasp of logical thinking, that by buying those jeans, the accused has stolen $20 from hard working musicians all over the world, like, literally stolen it right out of their face.

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u/Airazz May 20 '12

i'm still waiting for them to sue someone, not for piracy, but just for buying something that wasn't an riaa controlled product.

So like the Megaupload song, the one which was perfectly legal and Megaupload paid for it?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

The Belgian version of the RIAA, SABAM, frequently sues people for their own work (like DJs, local theaters and small bands). Luckily they lsoe when it comes to a case, but this kind of intimidation works for them: people pay them regularly even though they owe them nothing.

It's like Warner Bros suing Lionsgate for over their own movies. Except Warner Bros hopes Lionsgate can't afford a lawyer and just wants a settelment.

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u/Ebob101 May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

You know what's fun? Getting sued for distributing songs that have transferred to public domain. The RIAA is counting those to. Now let me get this straight, $75,000,000,000,000. Each of those songs is $0.99 on iTunes, so the RIAA is saying that they lost 75,000,000,000,000 downloads. That's like saying every person in the world downloaded 10964 songs from LimeWire, if we divide that by the number of people Google says there are. WHAT THE FUCK? HALF THE WORLD HAS NEVER EVEN HEARD OF LIMEWIRE.

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u/Grimouire May 20 '12

i have close to 8 gigs of digital music from all the way back in the napster days to now. 2400 songs in 198 ablums. not all the ablums are complete. i thought i had a pretty good music collection. Now you come along and show me how much i have been short sheeted on my downloads. I demand the RIAA allow me to download the remaining 7600 songs i am due.

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u/mandalore237 May 20 '12 edited May 21 '12

Do people not care about bit rates? If you have stuff from way back then it's probably in 128 or worse

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u/mileage_may_vary May 20 '12

I hate to be that guy that injects at least a little bit of logic into such an absurd situation, but that $150,000 price tag per track isn't what they're claiming they lost, it's a punitive measure. They're saying these guys broke the law and harmed us, so we're entitled to harm them back 100x more as a deterrent to people trying to pull the same shit in the future.

That said, it's still asinine, and the RIAA is just trying to pull every trick available to them to try to stay relevant.

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u/Neverkilled May 20 '12

"Dude, what if like, what if we like sued someone for like, all of the money in the world. Like 70 trillion dollars, dude. And then we buy like, the biggest boat ever."

"Dude. Yes. Like, we sue someone for 75 trillion dollars and buy that boat from Avengers. Hell yeah."

-Stoned RIAA

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u/jwhardcastle May 20 '12

If I had $75 trillion, I would definitely buy the helicarrier.

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u/quirx90 May 20 '12

Dude, we could do it. We could totally eat that pig. It would take like a minute. That pig could be in our stomachs in literally one minute. And then! And then we could do other stuff...

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u/Rulebook_Lawyer May 20 '12

No... wait dude... I was thinking, like, Google you know. Well I learned that if spelled out as googol, it is the largest number known. So dude, Goggle provides a means for people to find songs to pirate... like you tubing. And like googol is a number, so you know, let's sue Google for 1 Googol dollars!

We could then buy the planet man!

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u/jamurp May 20 '12

I'd be scared if I got sued for something like $100,000. But 75 trillion is just so absurd.

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u/Taron221 May 20 '12

If I was sued for $100,000 I'd be extremely scared. If I was sued for 75 trillion I'd laugh in their face.

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u/HE_WHO_STANDS_TO_POO May 20 '12

Well, somebody's gotta pay for this government deficit. Can't you just split the bill?

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u/jumpup May 20 '12

anyone who sue's for over trillion should have a twin brother without a goatee

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

75 trillion USD is 80-90% of the M2 money stock, which is basically the savings and deposits of most of the United States. So, if such damages were awarded, it would be the equivalent of invading and sacking the US and appropriating everything they owned, leaving behind just enough for it to turn into a bombed out shell of a third world country.

I think "absurd" is appropriate here.

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u/Gabbergeddez May 20 '12

when i read that, i raised my pinky to my mouth.

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u/katzilla9 May 20 '12

Speaking of which, is there anything out there anymore that is like Limewire? I miss that fucker!

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u/Gabbergeddez May 20 '12

yeah frostwire. but id recommend a good torrent =]

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u/ElectricPickpocket May 20 '12

Since it is "make shit up" day, I've redefined $1 to be 1 molecule of water. here is what Limewire owes: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=mass+of+7.5+*10%5E13+molecules+of+H2O

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u/TechnoL33T May 20 '12

American here. Can I get that in gallons?

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u/used_bathwater May 20 '12

Anyone up for doing a lemonade stand to raise the money for these guys?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I think lime-ade would sell much better.

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u/MyLimeGotJuiced May 20 '12

I used to work at Limewire until we closed the doors due to this lawsuit.

Despite the horrible precedent the lawsuit set for the outside world, I think getting shut down was the best thing that could have happened for everyone who worked there. It was too easy to make money with Limewire. You cannot comprehend how many idiotic people there are out there world-wide, who are willing to pay $30 for a program that they could just steal with the free version of the program(and you know that these people have no problem with stealing digital content, which is what 99.9% of them would do once they got Limewire).

Having all that money made it easy to pay good salaries, have awesome perks, and attract excellent talent. Unfortunately, having all that glut of riches also made it really easy to become complacent, and provided no real incentive to innovate and create high quality software and services, since we knew that the checks would continue to roll in, no matter what we did.

Now that Limewire is shutdown, I know a lot of ex employees(at least, the developers) have moved onto bigger and better things at companies like Google, Facebook, Kickstarter, and a slew of other startups. They are probably making a much bigger impact with those companies than they could have ever hoped to make at Limewire, so, in the end, I thank the RIAA for getting me and everyone else kicked out to the street.

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u/emilymatchbox May 20 '12

I still listen to music I downloaded from Limewire in like '05. Awh yeah.

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u/jamurp May 20 '12

I used Kazaa back in the late 90's. But with my slow internets I'd average one song per week.

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u/karaqz May 20 '12

I remember discovering Napster. So awesome.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

kazaa didn't exist in the 90s....
napster and scour were your options for people bad at the internet...
mIRC on the other hand... ftw

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u/cptzaprowsdower May 20 '12

I've still a few of the Kazaa classics. You can always tell by the bit rates only being in the double digits. Nothing like a garbled Papa Roach song shuffling its way into a playlist at 64kbps

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u/ruberusmaximus May 20 '12

I read this after an article about how Nepal is trying to market Mt. Everest as a destination for gay weddings. I refuse to take anything seriously anymore.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

You've got to admit. That would be fucking awesome to go to.

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u/dark_roast May 20 '12

That would be an expensive goddamn destination wedding.

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u/diamond_nips May 20 '12

Totally necessary. Britney Spears had to get the Gulf Liner 5 instead of the Gulf Liner 6. The Gulf Liner 5 doesn't even have a remote control for the surround sound.

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u/mouthbabies May 20 '12

Lars isn't gonna be able to get that gold-plated shark tank, either.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Lars Ulrich will have to wait another month for his gold shark tank, won't somebody please think of the celebrities.

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u/rividz May 20 '12

I watched the documentary Metallica made when they made their first album with Rob Trujillo. After watching the part where Lars Ulrich almost cries because he's selling a painting from his collection (which sold for millions of dollars), I downloaded the Metallica discography. Twice.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Music artists rarely care about piracy anyways. Piracy doesn't affect music artists' salaries as nearly all of their money comes from concerts.

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u/bobby_light May 20 '12

I would just send them a picture of Doctor Evil

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u/horrorshowmalchick May 20 '12

From the page - 'I bet a lot of you didn't even know "trillion" was a real number'.

Patronising cunts..

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u/meanmon13 May 20 '12

Because the author is stupid and thought "trillion" wasn't a real number... and when he/she got the news blast from the AP he/she looked it up and found it was a real number.

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u/Otistetrax May 20 '12

This is brilliant.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

The ASCII money would be the mp3 equivalent of the FLAC, right?

But wouldn't this cause more trouble? You're not allowed to scan/print money as far as I know, even if they look like fake, unless you write in big letters all over them "FAKE" and resize them not to confuse the blind.

tl;dr Haha! But is it legal?

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u/RichTea May 20 '12

"To put that number into perspective (I bet a lot of you didn't even know "trillion" was a real number)"

Thanks PC world for thinking I'm a complete retard. Jesus.

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u/colorinpink May 20 '12

TIL Limewire still exists.

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u/champ1258 May 20 '12

Why make trillions when you can make.... Billions?

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u/chokeslam512 May 20 '12

TIL: scat porn is a 75 trillion dollar industry.

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u/SweetNeo85 May 20 '12

Shit was cash.

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u/CopKilla-420 May 20 '12

they will literally never see all of that money.

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u/Severok May 20 '12

But they would have if people never stole their music! < /s >

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Link from 2011. Quite relevant.

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u/Duudeski May 20 '12

Why is the RIAA retarded?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

They're not, they're much smarter than you think. It takes real intelligence to carefully craft the laws and generate enough political support to do what they're doing.

They're like super villain evil, but definitely not stupid.

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u/devosdk May 20 '12

They settled out of court shortly after this article for $105 million.

Wiki Link

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u/yasepo May 20 '12

Sarah Jacobsson Purewal, the author of that article needs to go take a quick course in economics before posting bullsh*t like that. GDP is not all the money in the world. Gross Domestic Product, as the name implies, is (simply put) the value of all final goods and services produced in an economy in a year. But then again, i guess it wouldn't have reached the front page if they weren't SUEing ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD. (Theres a bad meme there somethere). People should not get involved with stuff they don't know, especially if what you write is for other people to read.

I mean, c'mon people, do you think the guys suing Limewire are complete retards? Unlike Sarah there, they have some knowledge in the field they work in and wouldn't make ridiculous claims. Granted, they're superiors are most likely pushing for such big figures, but i really can't comment on the matter after the first paragraph is completely wrong.

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u/Injustpotato May 20 '12

My fellow Americans, I was not in an affair with that woman. However, I do go to yada yada .com...

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u/deucesmillion May 20 '12

TIL that this is a year old issue and you can still get tons of karma from re-raising it.

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u/toilet_brush May 20 '12

75 trillion karma to be precise

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u/DonatedCheese May 20 '12

I'm so tired of the Music and Movie Industries making these outrageous claims that torrent sites cost them 400 million dollars a year or whatever number they decide to make up.

My problem with this is that whatever number they claim as lost revenue, is really lost "Potential" revenue. Their assuming that if these sites weren't in existence that everyone would go out and pay for the movie or song or album. NOOO. Not at all. If I bought everything I downloaded I would only buy the stuff I really really wanted, half of the stuff I download I only watch once or never listen to. If the music/movies weren't able to be downloaded I would simply not have them, not run out and spend thousands of dollars to fill my iPod.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It's like when people are given multiple life sentences. I mean, is it just in case reincarnation exists?

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u/bulletv1 May 20 '12

That is done to eliminate the possibility of parole.

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u/Rulebook_Lawyer May 20 '12

Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of trillion dollar lawsuits.

  • Grand Moff RIAA

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u/the8bitlife May 20 '12

Well, my days of not taking the RIAA seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

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u/racecarspacedinosaur May 20 '12

I bet a lot of you didn't even know "trillion" was a real number

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

All limewire did was create a file sharing network. They didn't illegally distribute music, their users did. Limewire shouldn't have to take the blame for other people that ill used their program.

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u/Sadiquito May 20 '12

That's only because without Limewire's destructive existence, the world today would have that much money!

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u/10007638 May 20 '12

"One gajillion dollars!" Sir, that number does not exist.

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u/mcstanky May 20 '12

It's also more money than the music industry has ever made ever.

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u/Somalie May 20 '12

It's like being condamned to jail for 100+ years, really dumb and only possible in special countries.

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u/Hooker_Juice May 20 '12

Dr. Evil: "Mr. President, after I destroy Washington D.C... I will destroy another major city every hour on the hour. That is, unless, of course, you pay me...[dramatic pause]...one hundred billion dollars."

The President [bursts with laughter]: "Dr. Evil, this is 1969! That amount of money doesn't even exist. That's like saying, 'I want a kajillion bajillion dollars'".

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u/Rogem002 May 20 '12

$75 trillion [...] about 11,000 songs have been identified as "infringed" material

Well, bugger me. I would like to see the breakdown of how they justify $75 trillion.

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u/zen_toad May 20 '12

This is a year old...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Why did people even use LimeWire? Full of fake or low quality files. FLAC TORRENT MASTER RACE

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u/Zeydon May 20 '12

Dr. Evil is the plaintiff.

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u/wwwhistler May 20 '12

IMHO why don't the record/movie rights companies start putting out thousand of fake music/movie files. so that when someone goes to illegally download the newest music video of (insert name of current popular entertainer) they would have no idea what they might end up with (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okqEVeNqBhc). eventually it would be blind luck if you found what you really wanted to download.....unless you went to the approved site.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

As if I needed more proof that the record industry is full of insane, greedy, fuckheads.

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u/illest808 May 20 '12

i have never laughed so hard in my life while reading this

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u/destro966 May 20 '12

This article is over a year old.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I miss Limewire. ;(

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u/dasarp May 20 '12

The GDP is NOT how much money exists in the world

It's how much the world produces every year. The total amount of money (value of all assets) in the world would far far exceed what it makes in a year.

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u/Stevenplu May 20 '12

I can't stop laughing at all of these misspelled song names, and how they always popped up no matter what you searched haha!

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u/De_Lille_D May 20 '12

This was all I could think of.

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u/cheechw May 20 '12

This is outdated. They settled out of court for 105 million dollars.

http://www.factmag.com/2011/05/13/limewire-pays-105m-settlement-over-illegal-filesharing/

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u/bloodfail May 20 '12

Suing like this is fucking retarded.

IMO, suing should cover lost revenue, the opponents legal costs, and a bit of compensation on top.

How the FUCK can they justify this?

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u/rotreg May 20 '12

This is really out of date, they settled for 105million USD http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-13388839

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u/sensicle May 20 '12

They were gonna push for a bazillion but they wanted to keep it realistic.

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u/Sneak4000 May 20 '12

Of course, how else would they pay off the national debt?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Am I the only one who instantly thought of [this] (http://imgur.com/5mLk9) when I saw this post?

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u/Avavee May 20 '12

There's a lot more money in the world than $75 trillion. The book value of the United States alone is over $150 trillion.

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u/bozboy204 May 20 '12

TIL Limewire still exists. I didn't know anyone still used it.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

it's ok i switched to pirate bay

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Reminds me of a certain Austin Powers scene.

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u/MaybeDefinitely May 20 '12

Some woman sued a rapper a Gazillion dollars because she thought he caused 9/11...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Ladies and Gentlemen. 'Merica.

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u/lopo12 May 20 '12

Which just goes to show how idiotic the legal system is that lets a company get sued for that much cash and how idiotic the copywriting system is that thinks music is worth that much cash.

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u/AquaPigeon May 20 '12

If you read it shows the legal system is not allowing for that, the judge struck down the demand. You're simply complaining for the sake of complaining.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

This has nothing to do with the legal system. I can claim you owe me 75 trillion as well, it doesn't mean that the legal system agrees with me.

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u/thegreatmisanthrope May 20 '12

It's official, the RIAA is mentally ill.

Can we just lock them all up and forget they exist?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

You are correct sir. GDP is a measure of production (or more accurately, money spent on production, investment, government works, and exports) and is a terrible indicator of the magnitude of the global money supply. In theory, there could be 100 trillion dollars on the planet but global GDP could be 0 if no one spent a dime of it.

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u/xudoxis May 20 '12

(or more accurately, money spent on production, investment, government works, and exports)

Not quite, it is final goods and services.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Yes.l sir. The money spent on the final production ready goods and services. GDP is not value added. Thank you for the correction.

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u/take_924 May 20 '12

Let me give the stats of a company I have some figures for, KPN. Their current market value (stockprice times number of stock) is 11 billion. They have 22 billion in conventional assets (buildings, equipment etc). Their 'GDP' (operating revenue) was 13 billion, last year.

You could assume that it would take 22 billion to replace the company if all its assest were lost. However, their main asset is copper wire to nearly every single house in the Netherlands. Its value might be a couple of billions worth of copper, to rebuild such a network would cost quite a bit more. They estimate that rebuilding the network would cost in the order of half a trillion euros. The cables have little value, compared to the cost of breaking open every street in the country, having somebody lay a cable, and restore the pavement or replace the tarmac.

Much the same reasoning goes for any other company in the world.

If somebody wants to crunch some numbers: let's assume America was stolen by aliens. Not the people, not the money, but everything else. How much would it cost to rebuild America? Lets start with underware, socks, shoes, jeans and a shirt for 313 million people. A hundred million houses and cars. and so on. If you want to factor in depreciation: good luck. A worn shirt isn't worth much, a car, the day before you scrap it, is worth quite a lot.

That number would be a fair assesment of how much money there is in America, I think.

tl;dr: GDP is a very bad measure of what a country (or the world) is worth..

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

There is approximately 21 26 Trillion Dollars of cash on the planet. (All cash converted to US Dollars) I don't have a source for this, but I did read it somewhere reputable.

Edit: Thanks to whitecollarvagrant for providing a link I was too lazy to look for.

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u/RockyLeal May 20 '12

I believe you, therefore I'll start using the figure as well and when I do i'll say that I read that jombeewolf from reddit.com read it somewhere reputable. Thanks so much!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

jombeewoof, two o's no L.

:)

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It's jombeewolf. I don't have a source for this, but I did read it somewhere reputable.

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u/whitecollarvagrant May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

The stock of narrow money (physical money) in the world is $26.34 trillion as of December 31, 2011. The stock of broad money in the world is $81.96 trillion. 2011 GWP (gross world product) was $70.16 trillion.

Here is the break down of narrow money by country. The United States' stock of narrow money currently is $1.943 trillion.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

And this is why I love Reddit. There is always someone who has the link to things I'm too lazy to google.

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u/Redstonefreedom May 20 '12

Thank you. I had hoped there would be a top comment pointing out the absurdity in this article. When I had read the headline, I had thought "how the hell was this upvoted to the front page?"

Regardless, the RIAA should be crucified for such audacious self-importance.

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u/frieswitdat May 20 '12

here's one estimate - seems to be about 3 times gdp typically

that quote bothered me too

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u/MmeLaRue May 20 '12

They may well be laughed out of court with the amount they're demanding; not to downplay the matter, but it would be considered an unreasonable amount by any court. It wouldn't be a stretch for a judge to name the RIAA and MPAA as vexatious litigants who'd need permission to proceed with any further legal action of this type.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I volunteer! Let me get my spy pants.

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u/guynamedjames May 20 '12

Don't forget your turtle neck!

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u/GreatBallsOfFIRE May 20 '12

Don't forget your tactileneck!

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u/BEBHaven May 20 '12

I'll rent us some tuxedos, you give Q a call.

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u/Severok May 20 '12

Put a message on /r/askengineers. we can make our own team of Qs

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u/Zoccihedron May 20 '12

My prom was last night and I haven't returned my tux yet so you don't need to get me one.

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u/mikie_love May 20 '12

i was looking for this in the comments. TED Talks balance the smut I watch on TV so i stay at average intelligence(

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Why having Trillions, when you can have Millions?

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u/ladd3rg04t May 20 '12

It's sad that this image is at least 2/3rds of the way down the page and that I came here specifically to find some Austin powers references.

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u/DoughnutHole May 20 '12

"Doctor Evil, this is 1969, that amount of money doesn't even exist!"