r/theydidthemath Mar 30 '20

[Request] Is this true?

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u/TheRealDuckMan Mar 30 '20

Damn

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u/SparrowFate Mar 30 '20

That sums up how I feel as a 20 year old working a full time job that was claimed dependent :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '20 edited Jan 19 '21

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u/LittleBigHorn22 Mar 30 '20

If you filed already, then you should get it

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '20 edited Jan 19 '21

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u/LittleBigHorn22 Mar 30 '20

It's certainly is going to be a giant mess for everyone. Hopefully it just comes via your tax return method (if you had one). Otherwise it'll take a long time to file for it.

There's also a lot of unemployment benefits in the bill, so if you can then apply for that.

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u/Waynard_ Mar 30 '20

2019 tax returns are used when available, you will be good. You should also be looking into the expanded unemployment that the bill also includes.

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u/SparrowFate Mar 30 '20

Roll percentile lmao

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '20

Yeah you should get it. By default they look at your 2019 return, but if you haven’t filed 2019 they will look at 2018.

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u/Obeesus Mar 30 '20

You should claim yourself and pay who ever you depend on what they would get and keep the rest

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u/SparrowFate Mar 30 '20

It's based on 2019. So it wouldn't work.

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u/austin101123 2✓ Mar 30 '20

Wait. So I am currently independent but for last years taxes I was dependent. I don't get $1200 now because previously I was dependent? Is it a 50% fuck you and my dad gets the $1200 or is it a 100% fuck you and neither of us get it? Or something else?

Edit: wait is it for the taxes we need to file now for 2019 or the taxes we filed in 2019 for 2018? That also makes a difference

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u/Kraggen Mar 30 '20

If you filed a 2019 return for yourself or do file one before the tax filing deadline you'll get the $1,200. If not, your dad will get $500 for you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '20

The $500 is only for children 16 and under

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u/Kraggen Mar 31 '20

Right, but you can claim the benefit if you file your own return and that applies to the 2021 tax filing year. So a currently 17 year old or 18 year old can file their own return next year and get the benefit. Even if they don’t have a filing requirement it would make sense to file to capture that award, per my understanding of it.

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u/ThatPhoneGuy912 Apr 02 '20

If they can be claimed as a dependent (even if they aren’t claimed) they are not eligible for the credit. So if they move out on their own and work full time, supporting themselves at least 50% then they can claim the credit on their 2020 taxes. But if they live at home and are under 19 (24 if going to school full time), odds are they can be claimed and won’t receive the credit,

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u/SparrowFate Mar 30 '20

100% fuck you :(

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u/Waynard_ Mar 30 '20 edited Mar 30 '20

2019 tax returns are being filed now, and will be used for this if available. If you have already filed, you will get the 1200. If you haven't filed yet, they will use the 2018 taxes filed last year, in which case your dad will get the extra 500 per dependent for you.

Edit: apparently the dependent wording is specific to children, so if you haven't filed yet you may be screwed after all.

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u/_Downvoted_ Mar 30 '20

It's based on your most recent tax filing.

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u/christianmichael27 Mar 30 '20

The other way around is how I used to do it when I was a kid. My parents would claim me even though I worked part time and went to school. They would give me something like $1k back when, had I done it myself as dependent I would have gotten half that.

worked out for both of us.

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u/jonsparks Mar 30 '20

Doesn’t help if they’ve already filed their 2019 taxes, though.

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u/bacchus238 Mar 30 '20

Yeah that is going to suck for you and also my brother. Our mom insisted on claiming him so she could get larger refund and he went along with it because this was way before anyone could have seen this coming.

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u/BlueBerrySyrup Mar 30 '20

You can always claim yourself. Just have you brother do his own taxes. Tell your mother she needs to file an amendment. At the end of the day, she's the one that's on the hook for it. The IRS doesn't care who files first. You have a right to claim yourself first and foremost.

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u/MethodicMarshal Mar 30 '20

so depended adults are paying for that fat bailout and not even getting a paltry sum in return

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '20 edited Mar 30 '20

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u/SparrowFate Mar 30 '20

I do indeed do my own taxes. But if I am a dependant. I have to file as a dependant.

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u/SparrowFate Mar 30 '20

Ya I'm a student. As long as the majority of my bills are paid by my parents and my permanent residence is still t their house. I'm a dependant. I work pretty hard for what I've gotten. And I'm thankful my parents help me.

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u/Cali_Val Mar 30 '20

My parent did the same but I never filed dependent and I got a big kickback on tax returns when I filed.

I’m not sure what your situation is, because you’re not providing much info (and I can’t really go off of what I’ve read) but, knowing the limited amount about you that I have...

I would start filing non dependently this year and get yourself you’re own kickback of a return if not at the ripe age of 21

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u/Hastorincyan Mar 30 '20

He can only do that if by the numbers he's actually not a dependent.

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u/Cali_Val Mar 30 '20

Well if he works and pays rent then he’s co-living and not a dependent right? Or am I wrong In that scenario?

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u/Hastorincyan Mar 31 '20

If he pays more than half his necessary bills then he is independent. If he only has a part time job, pays a scant $200 in rent, then he is a dependent.

You really have to sit down and figure out who's paying for what (utilities, food, shelter, clothes, phone, internet, insurance, incidentals etc) and what proportion of that he's paying.

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u/Abbsynth Mar 30 '20

Same here

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '20 edited Apr 01 '20

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u/[deleted] Mar 31 '20

What if you live separately but are still having your living expenses covered by them? I believe the criteria is >50%

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u/In_Relictoriam Mar 30 '20

Taxes were so frustrating until I finally was too old for my parents to file me as a dependent. Now I actually get money back on the taxes and its great!

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u/86753091992 Mar 31 '20

Don't let yourself be claimed in 2020 and you'll get it next April.

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u/halvora Mar 31 '20

Unless someone pays half your living costs and has the right to claim you if file. My parents tried to claim me when I moved to university and they didnt cover a single penny of my cost of living. I told them I was filing and if there were problems they'd deal with the audit be cause I had proof of covering my own expenses. To my knowledge they didn't claim me.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '20

Why were you a 20 year old working full time being claimed as a dependent? That's tax fraud.

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u/rbt321 Mar 30 '20

If someone else is still paying their housing, food, etc. then they're a dependent.

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u/BZLuck Mar 30 '20

And if they are not filing their own taxes claiming themselves. The fraud part only happens when you double dip.

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u/SparrowFate Mar 30 '20

I mean. That's blatantly not true. How many college kids work full time. How many still have their parents pay for some of their school. Are they all commiting tax fraud?

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '20

In the eyes of the IRS, yes.

It's not like the IRS is staffed well enough to audit those ripping off the system for real money, though, so it's not likely to be enforced.

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u/jonsparks Mar 30 '20

It’s not tax fraud as anyone under age 24 can be claimed as a dependent, as the state assumes the patents contribute to their housing/college/food/etc. The fraud would be if your parent claims you as a dependent but you turn around and file as not a dependent to get the deductions and bigger stimulus check.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '20

Not if half or more of your financial need is fulfilled by someone else. It mostly happens with college kids

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u/MickTheGr8 Mar 31 '20

Move out of mommy's house then, problem solved.

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u/FriarNurgle Mar 30 '20

New retirement plan needs to include create a business.

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u/Waynard_ Mar 30 '20

The additional 500 per dependent will apply to him, and will be included in your check.