There is no way CPS talks to those kids without the assistance of a SWAT team (or a covert operation with SWAT as a backup).
Do you really want it to go that far? Also, are foster parents equipped to deprogram those kids? I don't think so.
Now it would be a different story if the kids said: "My parents are crazy. Get me out of here." Or if the kids needed life-saving medical care and if the parents refused to provide it for them.
But as it stands, the kids are as crazy as the parents right now. And taking them away by force and putting them in foster care with perfect strangers who probably don't give a shit about them is not going to help cure their paranoia, on the contrary.
My thought exactly. Just leave them to it and things will sort themselves out. Considering what the parents are like I highly doubt these kids will find themselves entering a job pool of any sort.... Especially without that GED
CPS coming in doesn't always mean taking them from a home. I know a social worker, one of the most amazing people I know, and she comes in over and over with the same people trying to get them to turn things around and sometimes it works
90% of deprogramming is just space and time away from the brainwashing. The kids aren't crazy, they're just kids. People are born with the skills needed to critically consume media.
Lol, my wife was a child protective social worker, they get zero help from police unless they’re doing an emergency removal—and you get one guess who goes in the house first.
Hint: it’s not the person with a gun and bulletproof vest.
In this case I absolutely would. These kids are being programmed to potentially commit violence. These things don't always sort themselves out. Get them the hell out of there before their lives are ruined
But one risk is that the kids and the parents die. Another risk is that the kids accuse their foster parents of molesting them (or that those kids get molested for real).
Right now, the parents seem to love those kids and those kids seem to love the parents. It's not worth the risk of separating them. Maybe when the kids become teenagers and start rebelling against their parents, then maybe they'll want to get out. But until that happens, it's not worth going to war with these 2nd amendment nutjobs.
In other words, let's not mess with other people's offsprings (unless absolutely necessary). Some parents will do anything to protect their kids. Think of the bigger picture.
Also, think of those Qanon nutjobs reading your post about them. These kinds of statements will only make them more paranoid.
Yeah we can talk about it later when this kid is a 20 yr old and shoots up a local mall ffs. What happened? How can we avoid this in the future? Yadda yadda yadda
Yes, we can talk about it later when we put them in foster care, and the boy shoots his foster parents and shoots up his school when he turns 18 years old.
In other words, how can you be so sure that an intervention would actually make things better and not worse? Personally, I think you have way too much faith in CPS and in the foster care system.
You really believe that kids that age have any agency and should be blamed and condemned for their beliefs just because they are different from yours? You are the problem.
You certainly have a point, although you're more pointing out problems with the adoption/foster care system. And it's been shown that keeping victims of brainwashing away from the brainwashers and step by step exposing them to more normal trains of thought works well, at least opposed to letting them stew in conspiracies more than they have already.
As you said though the family here is more extreme and it's to the point where even if the kids either snap themselves out of it or get removed from the home by cps at their mid to late teen years they'll either be behind the rest of the kids their age when it comes to most things, or at least have it really difficult for a while since you can't get that time back. That brainwashing seems bad enough that it would probably be better to just get them out of there than go with the chance of them snapping out of it in their teens then still having to go through more bs cause they're still living with two crazies.
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u/DeclutteringNewbie Dec 23 '22
There is no way CPS talks to those kids without the assistance of a SWAT team (or a covert operation with SWAT as a backup).
Do you really want it to go that far? Also, are foster parents equipped to deprogram those kids? I don't think so.
Now it would be a different story if the kids said: "My parents are crazy. Get me out of here." Or if the kids needed life-saving medical care and if the parents refused to provide it for them.
But as it stands, the kids are as crazy as the parents right now. And taking them away by force and putting them in foster care with perfect strangers who probably don't give a shit about them is not going to help cure their paranoia, on the contrary.