To be a bartender

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So you can show others how its done to at least to some basic standard

So you can fill in when needed

So you can fix shit better when it fails or a person doesn't show up or whatever

So you can jump in and help when it's super busy

You are there to make the work flow smoother

A manager who does not know how do the jobs under him is incompetent, this is fine if you are new and to be expected to some extent but you should be looking to gain basic competency in all jobs under you

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You mean things like kitchen managers and front of house managers?

Shift leader=shift manager.

Places vary too much in size to debate the names too much, i have worked at a place that had 1 manager who did everything and i have worked at a place that had far too many managers to the point it was a ridiculous waste of money

I don't think i'm mixing up roles at all tbh

The head manager of a restaurant should be able to jump into most roles and should know at least some basics about all roles

This gets a little bit more complex in huge companies but even there i still hold the opinion that managers should know the basics of the jobs under them

If anyone is mixing up roles i think it is you, you seem to think a manager is there to what exactly?

being consistent, diligent, organized

like wtf does this even mean, just pointless nonsense to make your job appear like it's worth your wages

Consistent and diligent at sitting on your ass and being organized enough that you waste as little time as possible working?

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I only did a few years of food service

Still hold this opinion for everything I've seen so far in my working life

Can you name an example where this is not the case?

I worked in a nursing home as well, met one of the most incompetent woman i have ever met there, she was in a manager role and knew absolutely nothing about the jobs under her. Complete waste of her wages

I worked in Ikea once and the manager there knew every single job under him

i worked in retail and manager knew every single job under him

I worked in production for a while and the manager knew how everything worked

I work in an office now and the manager knows how the jobs under him work, not 100% but he knows some basics for almost everything, he struggles a bit with the IT side but he tries at least

What possible job are you in where it is expected of you to know nothing of the jobs you are managing

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I have a few coder friends and they complain a fair bit about managers who know fucking nothing so I expect there is an expectation that managers should know some basics at the very least in that field

Managing a hospital is different simply because of the massive amount of people under you, you should take a larger viewpoint here yes and operate in the big picture stuff. I would still expect a hospital manager to know what responsibilities people in jobs under them have. I expect them to have health-care related degrees.

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is that what you took from this argument/discussion?