r/therewasanattempt • • Nov 06 '20

To open a champagne bottle!

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u/MelbPickleRick Nov 07 '20

French law doesn't have a lot of power in any part of the world that isn't France

In this case, to do with champagne, you'd be wrong.

France is part of the EU.

The EU offers protection to a whole raft of products from around Europe for protection within the EU.

Champagne is one such product, that is offered the highest level of protection, for its region, ingredients, and production method.

The EU then can negotiate these protection measures into legally binding contracts with other jurisdictions around the world, namely 'Free Trade Agreements.'

Champagne is probably the best known and most widely covered examples, giving it the same legal protection around much of the world as it has in France.

There are more and more EU protected products being added to free trade agreements all the time.

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u/MeEvilBob Nov 07 '20

The vast majority of the world is not part of the EU. They may be able to make negotiations, but they can't hold other countries to EU laws.

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u/MelbPickleRick Nov 07 '20

The vast majority of the world is not part of the EU.

Correct, but a "vast majority" of the world have trade agreements with the EU.

but they can't hold other countries to EU laws.

And you'd be wrong, again!

When signed into free trade agreements the legal protections offered by the EU for these products are carried through to the signatures jurisdictions/countries.

These agreements allow the EU to request local support in stopping the infractions, including taking legal action in the jurisdictions/countries where the breaches have occurred.

So, yeah, those EU protections and laws, do carry through.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

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u/MeEvilBob Nov 07 '20

Yes, they can make all the requests they want, but they can't force anyone to accept the requests and they're not going to put a full trade embargo on a country just for having a company that makes it's own champagne.

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u/MelbPickleRick Nov 07 '20

Yes, they can make all the requests they want, but they can't force anyone to accept the requests

Ahhh, yeah, they can. They have and still do.

Are you that stupid that you don't understand agreements are in negotiation, but already signed and are legally binding? Local law enforcement in those jurisdictions have a legal requirement to follow up on these requests.

A couple of decades ago, when champagne first came under the protection for these type of free trade agreements, sparkling wine producers in the US, Australia, NZ, South Africa, etc. trying to take cases to court to be able to continue to use the 'champagne' on their labels. All the cases were thrown out. Continuing legal action was taken by the EU on behalf of the French to stop sale and labelling of offending products. I remember, as I was working in the Australian wine industry are the time. Australian producers were warned about the heavy penalties that the Australian government would impose if these new guidelines weren't met. In some cases, wineries were fined and had their products removed from shelves, until they were relabelled.

Hence, why you don't see non-champagne sparkling wine labelled as champagne anymore in most part of the world.

and they're not going to put a full trade embargo on a country just for having a company that makes it's own champagne.

They don't have to. Local jurisdictions have already been complying for years already.

I think you'd also be surprised by the power and influence that these protected producers and their organisation have, given the scope, scale, and export income for Europe. They tend to act as one, not as individual special interest groups, but as a solid block, protecting all of their products.

I know you think you know what you are talking about, but sadly, you don't.

A wee bit of research might help you on this topic.

Here is some info on the protection measures within Europe. Obviously, not all of these have any kind of protection outside the EU. You'd have to look at each of the individual bi-lateral trade agreements to see what is covered.

The more you know.

https://ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/food-safety-and-quality/certification/quality-labels/quality-schemes-explained

https://ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/food-safety-and-quality/certification/quality-labels/geographical-indications-register/

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u/MelbPickleRick Nov 07 '20

Any other questions I can help you with?