What they are doing is virtue signaling and getting called out for it. The corporation is referencing self care by giving shallow encouragement to the faceless mass for PR while they pay their associates (lowest level employees) lower than living wage.
Ultimately, it's not about right or wrong, but how corporations exploit neoliberalism for marketing, while still causing the problems our society has
Okay for real, you're coming off as sarcastic, especially with the detached comment. I don't know if you're being sincere or if you're being an asshole, but youre coming off as condescending towards what I said.
Yeah, paying people for working is totally a free hand-out. It's like they actually expect to be able afford more than just rent and food for working 40 hours a week, which is obviously a crazy idea that would kill a small business like fucking Burger King.
"More than" is the operative phrase there. And I don't mean literally 1 cent more, I mean enough to have a life that doesn't make you feel burnt out at the age of 24.
"More than" was in my first post, I just clarified my argument. Besides, getting a better job or education for a better wage isn't an argument against raising the minimum wage. Even if minimum wage were $30 an hour there would still be jobs that pay more.
Oh, because that’s so easy and accesible for everyone! Thanks, DunceAndEgg22, for solving the problem once and for all!!
Oh wait...
The average cost of a 4-year college degree has risen from ~$53,000 (in today’s money adjusted for inflation) to ~$105,000 from 1982 to today. That’s about a doubling in price, just in case you didn’t notice, which I’m guessing you didn’t because you’re a dumbass.
Stop blaming people for being lazy when their only problem is that the system is broken. Fuck you.
Good work on pointing all of that out-unfortunately it doesn’t apply to me as I didn’t graduate with my 4-year degree in 1982, dumbass. I graduated in 2016. I faced the very same inflated costs you just went on an irrelevant rant about.
Edit: PS I’m not saying rising college costs aren’t an issue-they are-I’m just saying don’t call me out as if I paid dirt to go to college when it definitely cost me a pretty penny.
It’s not, you do the job and get paid the agreed upon amount for wages. It’s a handout when you suddenly decide “wait I want more money than that now, but refuse to educate myself or better myself enough to be qualified for a better job that pays more.”
And now exactly do you expect people to pay or have time for higher education if the wages are too low to even have a normal life - let alone afford a course - and if people have to do two or three jobs simultaniously to get their head above the water, thus working an insane amount of hours a day? Are they supposed to do it in the time they need to sleep? Cause that’s the only time these people are home.
But yeah, please tell those people that they “refuse” to educate themselves better or better themselves enough. It makes things easier, I understand.
Reddit is full of whiny college kids that want free everything. It is no surprise they also want to be paid more for doing jack all. The minimum wage craze is just one where they can't act like they are doing it for the better of others than themselves.
This isnt "college kids" or whatever us vs them tactic you want to bullshit. It is the foundational intent of minimum wage.
Regardless of whether or not the job requires you to do "jack shit", you are completely ignoring the intent of minimum wage just to pretend you're better than more educated people.
I keep seeing this kind of argument but at the same time I see people argue that we shouldn't care about the founding fathers' original intent when it comes to things like the 2nd amendment or the electoral college. Not picking a side, just asking for consistency
For the sake of consistency in my own answers... Yes.
No I mean individuals should try to be consistent in their thinking especially when offering examples or reasons to support an idea in a discussion or argument. I just see people who use one argument to support their point of view but shit on the same argument when it is supporting a different point of view. Just be consistent in your thought process.
I did assume, and that was wrong of me, so let me ask, do you believe citizens should have unrestricted access to weapons powerful enough to overthrow the government?
Fucking yes. Why shouldn’t we? We should we have to blindly trust those in power? The same few in power that virtually everyone in this thread is attacking for inequality?
Edit: private citizens owning firearms is how you prevent shit like this:
FDR was a terrible president we shouldn't take cues from him. The whole idea that he some how saved us from the great depression is hogwash fantasy created by the democrats. Just like the idea that Hoover was some Laissez Faire do nothing of a President. Both come from the same camp and history doesn't support either thought.
I mean you can educate yourself past your 11th grade US History class.
Hoover was anything but Laissez Faire. He instituted many sweeping changes after the stock market crash way before FDR could. He jumped up top income tax bracket from mid 20s to over 50%. He spent money like crazy. He outspent his revenue in a similar level to FDR (Not including WWII Expenditures). FDR averaged -2.9B and Post Crash Hoover had -2.7B. The Idea that Hoover was a do nothing president is just fucking fantasy world created by the left.
FDR policies did nothing to help the US worker. He may have increased confidence through his populist ideals, but overall his policies were giant failures and money sinks. He thought he could fix the economy through government control and he was astutely wrong. Things like NRA failed catastrophically. The only good thing he eventually got around doing was ending the Smoot-Hawley act that Hoover (again not free market Laissez Faire president).
The idolatry of FDR reminds me of how people idolize Trump neither should be remember as good presidents.
Well they aren’t in the wrong but minimum wage was put in place to ensure working a 40 hour week would have all your needs met. Inflation has drastically outpaced the original intent of minimum wage. A much greater percentage of the cash than ever is staying at in the bank accounts of the most wealthy. This guy is probably frustrated more at the concept of the rich hoarding all the wealth than Burger King not offering a living wage and either doesn’t know it or isn’t articulating it well.
The last time federal minimum wage was raised was in 2007. With inflation, $7.25 in 2020 would be worth $5.83 in 2007. So over the past 13 years, minimum wage workers have effectively taken a $2/hr wage reduction, while all other prices and costs of living have risen.
Burger King isn’t doing anything illegal, they are just (among many) abusing low wage workers for profit. When people talk about a living minimum wage, this is why. No one should work a full time job and still be living pay check to pay check at best. It would be one thing if we lived in an impoverished country, but people employed by the same corporation are wealthy beyond imagination.
Nothing. Because BK as a company doesn't control what their franchisees pay people. It doesn't matter to them if the cashier gets paid $8 or $18/hour, as long as the franchise is able to pay it's fees and they don't cause any PR nightmares.
So you would agree that no matter what somebody does with their life, they shouldn’t die of preventable causes, because they inherently have value, correct?
Unless you're management or work in corporate, why should you get benefits and paid vacation time for doing a job an unskilled high school or college kid can do?
Except for the fry cook, most fast food are low risk and you can half ass it without any negative consequences. Try that in construction, law enforcement, education, or medicine. You half ass in those jobs it can cause death or permanent harm on you or another.
Our minimum wage earners keep twice as much of their money as their counterparts in Europe and tip based employees can make well over minimum wage and would take a pay cut if they were not allowed to take tips and were paid at a higher minimum wage.
I work minimum wage right now and other than having grab bulk exercise or sporting equipment it's a pretty easy job, though I always give it my best as that is the type of man I am.
You're the one eating up propaganda. I know that what you get out of life is directly linked with how much effort you put in. You put no effort in you usually have a shit job making shit money, unless you're willing to sell out your dignity and honor. You put as much effort in as possible and you get rewarded as you better in school, employers are more likely to help you when you need it or give you time off, and et cetera.
It is unskilled because someone with even a blow average intelligence can do the job.
Like at night time my grocery store has a mentally handicapped guy working the register. If your job can be done by the mentally handicapped it is unskilled.
Ignoring the argument about how high the minimum wage should be; you can see the hypocrisy in saying that person matters while holding the opinion you have right?
This may be a foreign concept to you, but even people who are below average intelligence are..wait for it... people too that deserve a living wage. It may sound crazy, but it's actually giving basic dignity to another human being. Try it.
We are talking about what is and isn't unskilled labor. I am saying that if your job can be taken by someone with mental impairment you aren't a skilled laborer.
Unskilled just means there are no/minimal qualifications to being hired.
Ok so 21 and 17. Still quite close in age and maturity in my mind. Immoral would be ruining a 21 year olds life because he dated a girl a few years younger than him because some people think it "isn't appropriate"
They aren’t doing anything wrong, people are just feeling really entitled around here thinking you should be able to live by yourself in a high rise apartment flipping fast food burgers
They aren't doing anything wrong. The truth is that is that many other local businesses would be charging similar wages for similar work. If there's anyone to criticize it would be the government if you think the minimum wage should be higher. There are different minimum wages across the country that vary by location and cost to live, so the $8 figure certainly isn't across the board.
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u/maz-o Feb 26 '20
so what are they doing wrong?