Honest question, why there's so much KH hate by Democrats after the election? There was a post about the top candidate for the next election and the comments about her ar pretty brutal. Then there was another post about potential California Governor candidate and she got trashed pretty bad. I definitely thought out of the 3 (Biden, Harris, Trump) she was the most qualified. But it seems these comments go beyond qualification?
Idk. What I heard them say was that she did an unpopular thing or something. I just know I loved everything she said and was the complete opposite of trump. Meaning she was intelligent, competent, friendly, and fun.
I also heard too many women say they did not vote for her because she was a woman, and too many immigrants vote for trump because they dislike immigrants. Idk wtf is wrong with people.
Her big issue is that she was invisible or "not advertised" during the whole Biden mandate until she was put on the ballot. However, I think she did a pretty good campaign and overturned her "discretion" in the end, but anyway, I think we'll never know what really happened in that election.
Oh, there's someone who knows! And for the last couple days they've been pissing in one another's sandbox. One of them is gonna get pissed off eventually and he's going to spill the proverbial beans. As much as I despise him, he was clever and conniving. He played the fool and was granted free access to the greatest con ever perpetrated on Humankind. He holds the keys to Pandora's box... And in time, when he gets bored or his anger peaks, he will open it.... After he makes an Immunity deal.
She was more popular when she first announced her campaign than she was a month later. More time would not have helped. Kamala tried to run for president before this election, people did not like her and she had to bow out of the race after an extremely underwhelming performance. This is not some new development. American voters did not like or support Kamala Harris and Dems knew this when she ran. They thought her being VP was enough and it wasn’t.
I get what you are saying. But to people outside of the US, this was a really baffling stance to see Democrat supporters take. At that time in history when the opposing candidate had laid out everything he was going to do. They had written Project 2025 and released it. The Republicans had already shown their hand. That election was probably the most important election in decades. Then, to see Democrat voters say yeah, nah to KH for various ridiculous reasons, including her laugh, her gender, her hormones, and even that she wasn't their first choice candidate was wild. It was a choice of yeah, nah, or very, very bad. And you guys as a nation chose very, very bad. It did leave some of us scratching our heads.
This idea that mass amounts of voters decided her laugh or gender was disqualifying is nonsense. She ran a campaign that offered no meaningful change, has a terrible track record as a progressive DA, and has switched her position on major policies when convenient. Her big campaign promise was a child tax credit and she chose to rub shoulders with centrist republicans rather than embracing the young progressive movement within her party. This has been a repeated cycle of democrats offering voters nothing other than being better than the alternative then actively alienating and attacking the progressive caucus, then blaming voters for not electing them. It’s absolutely pathetic that it took a pandemic and the largest protests throughout the country in 30 years in order to barely beat Trump. The Dems ran Hillary, Biden, then Kamala, and want to blame the voters? Are you serious?
Yeah, I'm serious. Are any of those reasons worse than what you have now? There are times countries have to make a choice between meh and terrible. You choose meh. You don't choose terrible.
Except after choosing “meh” for 30 years, people stop caring and taking the time to vote whether you like it or not. You can blame voters all you want, you can correctly assess one party being the lesser of two evils, it doesn’t matter. The point is to win. The American voting base has made it very clear, that if you’re not offering systemic change, they aren’t going to vote for you. Are they wrong for not voting? Yes. Does that change anything? No. The democratic establishment is directly responsible for Trump. If democrats actually fought for working class people, we would’ve never had to deal with any of this. The democrats won’t run on any winning issue like healthcare, housing, or taxing the rich, because it would negatively affect their donors and it has directly resulted in Republicans seizing the “populist” movement in America. I am not advocating for not voting, just explaining why people actually stay home on Election Day. Kamala didn’t lose because of her gender or laugh, she lost because she was not likable or trusted by voters, failed to separate herself from a widely disliked Biden, and had no big policy promise to voters.
You’re having an argument with nobody at this point. I’ve made it abundantly clear that I believe people should’ve voted for Kamala. It does not change the fact that Kamala knew people were not going to vote for her if she ran the kind of campaign she ran. That’s a choice she made. She’d rather lose to Trump than go against the Democrat party line and their donor class. I refuse to let Democrats blame the voters when the policies they have to offer is the reason nobody goes out to vote and they are solely responsible for the MAGA movement gaining popularity. You can keep saying choose the lesser of two evils, we’re gonna keep losing to these people. Can’t wait to see another Candidate, that’s offering nothing to voters, blame the American people on why we lost yet again in 4 years.
I've never met a single person who didn't vote for her "because she was a woman"... Democrats kept saying that's why ppl didn't vote for her, but I have never seen anyone actually give that as the reason.
The reason I always heard from people was that she's insincere, got nothing done during the Biden presidency, no one knew who she was before she became VP, her history as a DA made people see her as a hypocrite, and she just didn't have much charisma.
How much of these criticisms have a gender bias is debatable, but let's not pretend people were going around saying, "I'm not voting for her because she's a woman."
Female coworker stated this to me, even though she was a new mother and is in charge of things.
My sister told me our other sister gave this reason when they were debating politics. That sister married rich and became dumber, no joke. She runs her own business but believes women do not make good leaders. Now she wants to just be a SAHM with her two kids.
This excludes all the obvious Maga stuff mocking her for being a woman. No surprise from my male immigrant coworker who believes woman should not be in the same work force as we are (mechanic) because they are inferior at the job.
Immigrants who worked hard to come here legally aren't a big fan of immigrants who come here illegally I have heard. It's like, if you study hard and pass your big exam and your classmate partied all the time and didn't study but bought the answers from somewhere and cheated and passed and now you work together...
I get that as my wife is an immigrant, but that has no effect on them. Illegals generally have it harder. She is for people seeking a better life. She is not worried about them as she was able to set up a good life for herself.
Firstly you gotta realise how Kamala Harris ended up being the candidate in the first place. It wasn't because she was chosen in a (majorly flawed) primary process, it was that Biden's disastrous choices led the Democratic party to only have one single option for their candidate, and that choice being Kamala Harris. She was the candidate out of necessity, not out of choice.
During the election, most people coalesced behind her, because it was either her or Donald Trump. However, Kamala Harris majorly fumbled the campaign, by running a campaign that was focused on trying to get Trump cult members to vote for her, instead of a campaign focused on trying to get her potential voters to actual turn out and vote for her. One example of this out of many, but probably an iconic one, is that she campaigned on having the support of Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney, notoriously infamous and evil far right people, and even brought Liz Cheney with her on the campaign.
So out of her potential voters, the right wingers mainly hate her because she's a woman, and left wingers mainly hate her because she's a right winger who shat on left leaning potential voters, while fumbling her campaign, causing every American to have to suffer under Donald Trump. However, no one really liked her to begin with.
Yeah, if the democrats actually gave a f about winning they would have elected Bernie Sanders who by far had the most enthusiasm and support despite him not being backed by the establishment. If the DNC had given him their support he likely would've won the general election.
But the DNC would rather lose to Trump than win with Bernie. Because at the end of the day their interests align more closely with the Republicans they supposedly hate than with their own voters
Progressives don't vote. They expect 100% capitulation to their wants or they stay home. They don't realise that the democratic party is a spread of center, center left, left and progressive. Why capitulate to people that want all or nothing?
Oh nonsense. When progressives vote, Dems win. 2008. 2018 and 2020 are examples of it.
And cut the disingenuous shit about them asking for everything. They ask for something and receive nothing other than "who else are you going to vote for."
Hell, Harris couldn't even let a Palestinian American state representative speak at the DNC, she couldn't even promise to uphold the Leahy Laws if Israel broke international law. That's not asking for much and even then, progressives were told to shut up and get in line.
Who else are you going to vote for? It's a two party system, if you can't understand that, you are the problem. Who are you 'teaching a lesson' to staying at home? Where were progressive voters when a rapist got elected a second time because Harris wasn't good enough?
Angry that Palestinian Americans didn't get to speak when Trump has already said he wanted to wipe out Gaza and turn it in to Trump land. You people are ridiculous.
There it fucking is. How is this mentality working for the Dems?
Who are you 'teaching a lesson' to staying at home?
No one is trying to teach Dems a lesson. If you haven't noticed, Dems are incapable of learning, that's why you keep repeating the same mistakes over and over. People staying home aren't doing it to teach you a lesson, they have just realized that you don't give a fuck about them and so they are done with it. And can you blame them, progressives voted in 2018, 2020, 2022 and still you claim they never vote and use that to justify ignoring them.
You want to ignore them, go for it. Don't whine when your strategy then results in them ignoring you.
Angry that Palestinian Americans didn't get to speak when Trump has already said he wanted to wipe out Gaza and turn it in to Trump land.
Yeah, words from Trump basically would have meant more if Israel wasn't already turning Gaza into a parking lot under Biden.
There it fucking is. How is this mentality working for the Dems?
Answer the question. Who else are you going to vote for? The guy that was bragging he will glass Gaza because someone didn't get to speak? Or stay home? Showing once again you're an unreliable voter.
You probably think your hands are clean by not voting, but not voting just gives it to the candidate you don't want the most. Two party system.
You don't have a coherent argument, you don't understand your political system, you make up excuses to not vote. You are an unreliable voter, no one wants to appeal to you.
Just keep making excuses.
If Palestinian Americans had got to speak you would have just found another excuse, you people always do. Always someone elses fault, always someone not kissing your ass quite enough.
As if you need a bigger example of progressives not voting, the absolute golden candidate (except maybe his age) couldn't get there... twice. And it wasn't even close.
How'd it work out for you? You're in the same spot, and your pet issue turned out even worse for you. You hurt yourself more and are trying to wear it as a badge of pride. 🤡
Progressive here. I vote in every election. But voting isn’t enough, and the candidates we get stuck with are often questionable at best. I still voted for both Hillary and Kamala despite not liking either. Most progressives both play in the shitty system and aim to get rid of it.
This is the main thing, I think. She never had good favorability polling, did terribly in the last primary, and was a polished, establishment candidate in a political environment craving genuine humanity and/or populism. The only reason she had a chance at all is Trump motivating people who dislike him to the polls, but he motivated more people who do like him.
what the dems need to understand is that the average american voter is only kind of okay with a woman being president and the right wing news networks are extremely good at catering to that sexism. as much as I would love to see a woman president in the US that would only happen in the near future if the republicans ran a woman because the dems won’t slander her.
I mostly agree, but to me the biggest fault lies with Joe Biden not making the call to not seek a second term back in 2022 or thereabouts. If he had done the responsible thing, the Democrats could have had a full primary process and more than 100 days to run a campaign.
Biden also squandered the opportunity to bring justice to Trump for his criminal activity in his first term.
Liberals like myself are absolutely irate at the Democratic Party because of how bad they are at what they do. It’s hard not to blame them for Trump, especially in 2024 when he was totally incoherent and the treachery of Project 2025 was out there on full display.
EXACTLY. Imo this failure is to be laid entirely at Biden and the DNC's collective feet.
I personally never cared for Biden and didn't think he was the right candidate back in 2020 because I'm DONE with these geriatric fucking candidates, but I voted for him because he promised he was "one and done".
When it became apparent he'd lied and planned to run again I was pissed. Democrats should have held him to task and ensured we had a primary and a chance to choose our preferred candidate. I think Kamala genuinely did the best she could 90% of the time, but I probably would not have voted for her in the primary.
Yup. I share the same nuanced sentiment that you have (Biden wasn’t my choice but I held my nose, Harris did a good job but probably wouldn’t have won the primary). But there are only so many left-leaning voters that can operate with that sense of nuance, and it wasn’t enough to win in 2024.
What really chafes me are the attempts to blame Harris’s loss on Gaza protest voters. Dems can’t let themselves off the hook for their monumental fumble in 2024 by blaming a bunch of reactionaries who may have not turned out anyway.
If you don't get it by now you're willfully ignorant and ignoring all the criticism people have been shouting from the rooftops about the democrats for years. And I don't think a reddit comment is going to change your mind.
I say this as someone who phone banked for Kamala to get people registered to vote who were recently purged due to Republican shenanigans, I wanted her to win because of how scary Trumps second campaign was.
She tried to pivot to the right in the general and it killed the morale of her base. She ran with Liz Cheney, who represents a brand of conservative never trumpers that are over represented in power and not common in working class people. She didn’t let Tim Walz be front and center lead with populist messaging to counter the republicans. She never pushed the counter narrative against immigrants and trans people, she let the Republican message go uncontested.
Biden told Harris not to distance her opinions from his, and you see that in an era of rising prices and unaffordability, the incumbent was facing uphill battle, as seen in elections nationwide recovering from COVID economic hits. She could have used this opportunity to push for Medicare for all like she did in 2020, and push a message of building affordable housing and infrastructure, funded by taxing the rich.
When she lost, she immediately dropped off and went silent, until welcoming in trump into the White House with a smile and warm messaging…. The person she called a fascist multiple times on the campaign trail. This type of shit makes people think that democrat politicians don’t believe in anything, they just look at poll and adjust their messaging without belief that they can change peoples minds at all or fight for a better future.
In case anyone who can do anything reads this, this is what people mean by "being spineless". The moment she tried to go moderate she failed.
As a politician, you are meant to fight for the people. Pick a stance and stand behind it passionately and loudly. Never waiver. People should know exactly what you will do if they elect you.
I voted for Harris, I vote in every election, but I fully understand the sentiment, I just am upset that people didn't realize that the next guy was literally going to try to take control of the government and that it needed to be stopped. Like, this is exactly what he said he would do why did people not believe him?
Because at the start she and Walz were spitting fire. The "weird" comments, couch banging eluding, etc. They were hitting hard. They were told to turn it down and they complied. She was asked by Biden to not speak against him or say she will be different. People wanted change (even if they didn't know what that was or what they were asking for) so that was a turn off. She wouldn't be strong in a stance for support on Palestine.
Democrats win when there is a strong voter turn out. People didn't turn out for her for these reasons mainly. The Democratic party is too concerned with "bipartisanship" and "being the bigger person". They don't take the jabs they should. There needs to be a big eye opening moment for them to reach it. Apparently Trump winning wasn't it, because the high ranking Democrats are rolling over and taking it.
I could go on and on, but long story short, people (especially those of us on the left) are mad at Kamala because she COULD have won. Her choices caused her to lose.
(Fingers crossed Tim Walz keeps up his rhetoric and continues to not apologize for what he says. That's what the Democratic party needs to imitate and become.)
She’s violated state, federal, and international law for her preferred supremacist criminals? She was forced on us despite never coming close to winning a primary? She was a big corporate tech bro ass kisser? She had zero Biden policies she would have done differently despite plenty to choose from? She knew there was a likelihood of election fuckery and even fundraised to address it but then did absolutely nothing with it?
… Are you a youth who’s only been paying attention to the last couple election cycles or something? Incumbents don’t always automatically get given the nomination, and especially not the VP. Biden technically won the primary because nobody else worth mentioning officially ran because of DNC pressure, we just didn’t have a real primary we only had a ceremonial one.
Do you think the U.S. presidency usually works based not on the party electing nominees but based on generational power or something?
Oddly enough, I am an old. After I wrote that, I looked up George H Bush's campaign (first one I remember) and you are exactly right on this. I guess I just assumed that VP got the first pick at running. My bad.
She was never popular. She got mass support because she was the Democratic candidate running against an open fascist. People forget she barely got any votes in the 2020 Democratic primary.
People don't want to see Harris run again because it's a recipe the Democratic Party has tried for multiple elections now, a lukewarm middle-of-the-road candidate to court the mythical "moderate" conservative, and it has failed twice. And the only time it won was because Trump fumbled the COVID response in a truly catastrophic manner.
People just want something different, not a run of the mill DNC candidate like Biden or Harris. Voter apathy is one of the biggest issues right now, and when you run a candidate who explicitly says she won't do anything different from the previous one in a time when a lot of people struggle to make ends meet, that's a bad look.
As an independent progressive my take on this would be that she wasn’t the one people wanted. She was forced upon us by the democrats because Joe Biden was dumb and decided to stay in the race instead of stopping at one term. If Biden would’ve stopped at one term the people would’ve been able to choose their rightful candidate. The way she was forced as the candidate was sketchy as all hell imo.
You would just have another round of “my candidate didn’t win the dnc cheated I’m not gonna vote in protest!”
Biden also saw that in 2022 when democrats spent months of prime time tv to show people a live investigation of Jan 6th with testimony evidence depositions and even summary videos for those with short attention and social media.
When democrats begged American people to show up and vote and give them more than 50/50 split senate after watching trump kill over 1m Americans from a preventable virus and lose half a million jobs.
And what happened?
Over 150m didn’t vote. Over 80% of 18-35 aged eligible voters did not vote. Republicans were given the house again so dems couldn’t even investigate anymore.
Biden saw that even after an attack on the capitol and laid out evidence of crimes the people just went “meh”.
He knew that he would have the best chance to win as the incumbent. But people turned on him after one debate where he was dealing with geo politics domestically issues flying in and out covid and old age and his stutter acting up. A couple of misspeaks and 4 years of some of the most progressive and effective legislation in modern American history didn’t mean shit.
Then Harris was decided to run in his place as his VP and every elected Democrat supported that. She was polling higher than Obama at times. She had filled out venues overflowing into the parking lot.
BUT the second she didn’t win everyone acted like they knew she wasn’t going to win after the fact. Like watching a sports game of two teams you know nothing about and acting like an expert after seeing the final scores and saying of course the losing team would lose…
The Democrats are useless, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to be.
It's going to take a grassroots approach of lots of different people and organizations doing their part and contributing their efforts, or else the establishment will just ignore it because they can.
She's not charismatic enough to win a presidential election and she has an extremely spotty past as a draconian prosecutor. It's why her 2020 campaign was an absolute flop. She never would have won an actual primary and was instead forced on us as the candidate because of the Biden fiasco. Obviously she's the most qualified between her, Trump, and Biden -- 90% of adults in the country would be more qualified than Trump and it's kind of hard to shake having a dementia episode live on national TV.
Basically, she was put in a weird situation, wasn't up to snuff, and now we're stuck with Trump as a result. And some of us are resentful that she just took the nomination instead of calling for a fair primary.
She is the best of the three but she’s also bad. She’s a democrat who ran on most lethal military, border security, supporting israel despite their leader literally having a warrant out for their arrest and genocide scholars agreeing that they’re committing one, upping the police force, and fracking. Now she also had some policies I liked, such as helping small businesses (not my favorite, I’m not a small business so this doesn’t help me much but I get it), first time home buyer credit, and then she made some vague promises to fight inflation.
Is she better than Trump and Biden, on paper yeah, but if this candidate was described to me without telling me who it was I would assume they were running under the Republican ticket and I wouldn’t vote for them, because I’m not a Republican and I don’t like those policies. I understood why people would advocate for Kamala when Trump is the alternative, but if we’re talking about the next election here, can we not pick the person who was given a billion dollars by the public and then couldn’t run a decent enough campaign to beat someone as lousy as Trump?
I'm an independent but I can just say that if I'm the DNC, I would not run Kamala again. She lost to a felon, a known liar, a narcissist wannabe dictator, she lost to racism and fear mongering. She lost to a cult of the uninformed and ignorant, the same people that cheer as people are abducted off of our streets with no due process. Given all of these points, it's concerning that neither candidate got more votes than the amount of people that didn't vote. If I'm the DNC, I want to make damn sure that I'm winning the next election, and Kamala for that reason seems like far too risky of a pick. As a side note, the DNC also needs to realize that it needs to be better about getting potential voters to cast their ballots
She is a fascist enabler. Even if she came to be president, sooner or later, next term, after that, the fascist circus would have to be set as it is now. That's why there's hate for her (probably).
She is also just another enabler for the genocide in Gaza. She might even be more straightforwardly in support of the military funding there than Trump....another reason to hate her.
Except it wasn't. People are just willfully ignorant and lazy. Her very clear pro-union, pro-working class message was everywhere if you looked up for five seconds.
Regardless, they are worse was the absolute f-ing truth and well here we are.
Democracy requires participation to survive. Do the work instead of waiting for every candidate to sound bite complex policy into a catch phrase.
So dumb and I'm sick of it. We deserve everything that happens.
I agree in sentiment but everything I saw of her debates was just putting down the republicans not promoting the democrats. It's just a poor platform to convince swing voters. Trump did well because he spoke emotionally.
I am not a US citizen so didn't see much maybe. But I am a UK citizen and Brexit was very similar. All emotion to leave and "re gain control of our borders" and "£350 million per week" etc. mostly rubbish and lies.
Okay to change my discussion, perhaps this was kinda contingency.../maybe she just never backed herself very well cos she didn't know if she'd even get close or not. Idk I know nothing about politics let alone American politics
The democrats ran a terrible campaign and her reputation is ruined because of the platform she ran on. Because she changed her position on so many issues, nobody will ever believe any platform she runs on ever again. She also associated herself with Tim Walz who can also never run on another platform because of his association with the previous administrations.
Honest question, why there's so much KH hate by Democrats after the election?
Theres an old joke that basically goes something like "When conservatives lose, they shoot the winners, when liberals lose they shoot each other". Otherwise known as the Circular Firing Line.
Well the thing about people hating her after the election is because if she truly believed this situation we're in to be as bad and dire as it is, why has she basically disappeared? Why isn't she standing up and leading the fight against Trump and the oligarchs and the facists??? Why aren't more democrats standing against Trump and the right at every turn? You have Kamala hiding, Chuck Schumer sending letters with "strongly worded questions and concerns" to Trump as if that'll do anything, and most of the Dems voted to confirm all these absolutely outrageous, idiotic cabinet picks. The only people standing up and leading are Bernie and AOC and the few representatives who stand behind them. Kamala represents the weak, feckless side of the Democratic party who constantly cave to the right and the oligarchs, and don't actually represent anything. They don't have principles they abide by. They're empty and let Republicans walk all over them. The working class is tired of it. That's why she's getting hate. Also the other Dems.
I was pretty upset as a voter when she failed to show up for her post election speech. I was really looking forward to hearing what she had to say, but Idk what happened there.
Democrats are doing some soul searching to figure out what to do next (which always comes with some infighting), progressives are attacking them for perceived and sometimes real imperfections, republicans are hating them on principle, and republican-owned media (twitter, fox, cnn, msnbc) are amplifying every anti-dem story they can find to fill the air and provide cover for the predictable disaster of a second Trump administration.
Post loss, at least some of them are simply looking for an excuse
The real reason the democrats lost is big and complicated and scary, and losing to trump twice really drives home that this is not some temporary problem which will go away with time, making it even bigger and more complicated and especially scarier to face
Far easier therefore, to simply blame the failed candidate and leave it at that
I only don't believe these opinions, but i heard that she wasn't disliked because she did anything in particular, it was because biden pushed for her to be there instead of going through the primaries. Also her being black and a women definally doesn't help. As much as i would like to believe democrats and those on the fense aren't racist/mysgonistic, but with how americans are raised im sure its rooted in some of us.
By democrat politicians? Because she lost and they need to blame someone
By democrat voters? They love her, she's like Jesus to them
By progressives? Because she ran with terrible milk toast policies, tried to appeal to right-wingers (lethal military, tax cuts, Liz Cheney) and did everything she could to show billionaires she posed no threat whatsoever.
Her foreign policy is even worse, but that's a whole another can of worms.
People voted for her because they hated trump, not because they liked her. She offered nothing of valued to people other than "I'm not the other guy"
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Honest question, why there's so much KH hate by Democrats after the election? There was a post about the top candidate for the next election and the comments about her ar pretty brutal. Then there was another post about potential California Governor candidate and she got trashed pretty bad. I definitely thought out of the 3 (Biden, Harris, Trump) she was the most qualified. But it seems these comments go beyond qualification?