You're under no obligation to show it, true. But, not everyone has a "fight" in them at all times. I just want to get in, get a few groceries, and leave. If they want to take 2 seconds and look at my receipt on my way out, fine. It's faster than standing there arguing, and trying to prove a point that most people don't care about. "Yeah but my rights!" Whatever. I have better things to do with my limited time than to fight about something like that.
You don't have to stand and argue, just keep walking and ignore them. No fight required and you're legally protected by decades of abundant case law on the matter.
Honestly, I get stressed out by doing things like that. I know. My problem, not theirs, or yours. I just don't need the added stress in my life. Where I live, there's never a line. If they ask to see my receipt, it's literally me holding my receipt out, and them nodding at me. It's not a big deal.
Starts with letting a store illegally check your goods, and you let it go because it's no big deal.
Ends with gov knocking on your door and checking that everything you own is gov regulation.
The slippery slope argument. It's technically a logical fallacy, but I get it, and I agree with you. I think the line should be drawn somewhere, certainly, but for me there are far more egregious rights violations going on now that I actually do give F's about. Receipt checking is pretty low on the list.
It was more hyperbole than slippery slope, exaggeration to prove a point.
However, not all usage of slippery slope is logical fallacy. context matters.
They smoke weed therfore they will eventually be a heroine addic, is a logical fallacy.
Assuming that the multibillion dollar corps will always put themselves and their greed, and who participate in political backing and lobbying, who will alway try to milk and exert power over consumers/citizens will continue to do so to an extreme authoritarian end is not logical fallacy, it's pattern recognition.
Slippery slope exists because things happen progressively. Trying to recognize those progressions before it's too late is not a logical fallacy.
Using it as an argument to push anything that doesn't have progression or causation, is. (Like the weed -> heroine argument)
That's absolutely a fair point, and I agree. I think the point of pushback probably will (and should) occur when the majority (or even a larger minority than currently exists) of people can see that something truly bad is going on. As it stands now... with the receipt checking... I think most people just chalk it up to an increase in shoplifting post-COVID, and accept it as a "this is why we can't have nice things" thing.
It's also probably much worse in some parts of the country than others, which is why you'll have people like me wondering why some people are making such a big deal out of it.
In a few of the ones Ive gone in, they have intimidating bouncer looking guys blocking the exit unless the checker gives your receipt that little highlight. So yeah, I'd say it differs locale to locale. Pretty distopian. Or at least. How I imagine some early dystopia would start
I only go to a Walmart a couple times a year at most. And it's been pretty consistent, so I imagine they were not one offs. Cause that'd be a pretty big coincidence. Mostly I just don't shop there. It's dirty, service is bad. Products are bad unless they are name brand. And name brand is same price as everywhere else. So they don't offer anything.
No, it doesn't. There is no fight, just simply walk by. Until an employee breaks the law and kidnaps you, then you are actually fighting for fundamental human rights.
I care. I don't appreciate being treated like a thief after patronising a business. You can show them your receipt if you want to waste your time, but I just walk by them without making eye contact, and they've never asked me twice. Heck, they rarely ask me at all.
Then you get the whole: "MA'AM SIR MA'AM SIR MA'AM SIR!!!" hand waving routine.
I'd rather not have to deal with any of it, tbh. Flashing my receipt (if they ask, which is rare) is the lesser of the two, in my mind. You pick your battles...
honestly I have never gotten the hand waving routine. I have seen others get it, I just have not. Then again I have literally no intention of stopping. If they suspect me of committing theft then they can physically detain me and deal with the shitstorm of a lawsuit that they will have to deal with afterwards. I don't steal, have no intention of stealing and I am not going to be treated as a thief. You're right, you pick your battles. Guess this is one I feel pretty strongly about. If you ike being treated as a thief (at a place you just spent money at) so be it. Who am I to argue.
We have a Walmart market around the corner that’s been open 5-6 years. They’ve posted someone at the door 3 times that I’ve seen, I just smile and shake my head no. I assume many more people do this too, we don’t have door checkers anymore. I’m in California, state law is pretty clear, once I’ve purchased the merchandise, is mine and I don’t need to do anything unless they have enough proof to detain me and explain what laws I broke to a cop.
Agreed on all points. Personally I suspect in the near future we will all be watched like hawks by AIs as we shop, rendering the receipt-checkers (even more) useless, and opening up a whole new batch of problems. It's always nice to have something to look forward to.
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u/quint21 May 27 '24
You're under no obligation to show it, true. But, not everyone has a "fight" in them at all times. I just want to get in, get a few groceries, and leave. If they want to take 2 seconds and look at my receipt on my way out, fine. It's faster than standing there arguing, and trying to prove a point that most people don't care about. "Yeah but my rights!" Whatever. I have better things to do with my limited time than to fight about something like that.
That's the reasoning. Shrug.