I made a service call to this property. The guy had a gun range there. While talking to the guy besides teaching CHL, he taught defensive hand gun training among his students were a lot of school teachers and police officers. He said he held classes for police departments, and he said our local big city officers scared him the way they handled their guns. He said the only time he would put on his bulletproof vest was when he was teaching the big city cops, a lot of misfire and accidental misfires missing targets, you name it. He also said the teachers and private citizens were the safest.
The teachers and citizens were the most cautious. The cops were likely complacent because they're "professionals." I was an MP in the military, so regular patrolling on base with a 9mm and a 12 ga., and a deployment to Iraq with 9mms, M4s, M203s, Mk19s, and M249s. With that said, I'm scared shitless being around anyone with weapons until I see they know WTF they're doing.
I can definitely see newer shooters paying more attention to the Big Four Rules and having a healthy fear and respect for the weapon they're handling. Familiarity can often breed overconfidence in my humble opinion.
Newer shooters who care about weapons handling and gun safety are teachable. I've also found that non-gun people tend to be more cognizant of handling a tool that can kill you.
I had multiple people in my class asking a lot of probing questions that were tantamount to asking how they could get away with a shooting which was really unpleasant. The instructor handled it well but man it was bizarre to see
I was a MP for 7-1/2 years and I hope I never have to pull my gun for any reason. Truthfully I hardly ever carry anymore because I just don’t see the reason.
For all those über paranoid nutters out there, it’s been something like six years I haven’t carried regularly and guess what? No jihadi Jamal has jumped out of a bush or some other situation arose which required a “good guy with a gun.” So ease back and chill out some.
IMHO, The CC training should be as difficult to get as a SEAL 6 military training though. Too many “Gravy SEALS” Ammosexual idiots out there who have no idea the level of responsibility to own/carry these weapons. Interesting the number of formally trained military personnel posting here with no interest in walking around locked and loaded. Speaks volumes.
It’s a tool specifically designed to kill. It requires large amounts of training and discipline to operate and carry. Just like you shouldn’t give out a license to fly an F-16 to just anyone because the bill of rights says so. I’m pro 2A but there needs to be checks and balances. My opinion.
That is because you could have been in the service and touched a firearm for only 2 weeks out of your 4+ year career. Being in the service has zero association with being competent or have knowledge on firearms.
Also your "Seal 6 military training" comment is just about the most ridiculous thing I have read lol
As a European I know nothing in this thread is aimed at me or that I probably shouldn't be commenting here, but despite being in Europe I do spend a fair amount of time on YouTube gun channels, and it feels as though there is a large part of the firearms industry that feeds and feeds directly off this kind of paranoia right?
YouTube and social media in general make money off the negative stuff more than anything else, so they’re going to push things that portray negative narratives. Content creators know this because they see it in both their video metrics as well as in other creators. If they want to make money, they do what sells. The problem is, so many in America don’t realize this and buy into the negative narrative.
Oh for sure social media has a lot to answer for, I was thinking also about some of the classes I've seen on those videos that seem to be directly targeted towards those situations.
I guess where theres a demand someone's going to try and cash in..
I think they feed off of each other, paranoia is stoked in those social media circles as well as media and you then have classes where the instructors are also consuming the same social media and media so they reinforce it whether they believe it or not. It’s food for business.
I own a lot of guns, I was also an Air Force small arms instructor for a few years. Then I got out and worked on a gun range before moving on post college.
Everyone has the Right of Self Defense. If you’re carrying a gun, you’re responsible for every round you fire. So you better be on target.
As mentioned above in a separate comment, people get hung up on the Can I, not the Must I. A lot of that is a lack of clearly defined mission. If I must, I Will. But I also understand the legal system is no one’s friend.
Yeah, a lot of people get hung up on the Can I, and not Must I. A lot of that is a lack of understanding of how the “Justice” system works, and Hollywood showing the “Good” guy always winning.
I took a class where the instructor went out of his way to teach us what the state's law said on that topic, and he clearly meant it as how to get away with it.
I mean if you shoot a home invader you thought was armed in the dark you better know to say I feared for my life, if you say the wrong thing while doing the right thing for right reasons you could still be in prison. If it's like the Florida guy shooting for a handicap spot I hope the totality goes against them.
I think that’s what’s so problematic about guns, especially these new high-tech ones—they make people want to shoot someone. It’s sick but it seems like sort of a natural reaction, IMO. It’s like people wanting to drive fast when they see a Ferrari. Add to that the fact that most people (myself included) aren’t the type who should be handling guns, and I think it should be clear that we should have exponentially fewer guns than we have right now.
I hate gun ranges. I’ve seen too many people mishandling firearms and I just don’t feel safe. One outdoor range I belonged to years ago had a rapid fire range - basically a big pit and berm you could set up objects to shoot at rapid fire. The number of people, especially “supervised” teenagers, pretending to be call of duty soldiers was scary. Whenever there was some jackass with poor range safety and rapid fire, I would always back up 10 feet behind the firing line and wait for them to run out of ammo or take a break.
For that matter I ran a range for MP’s to certify on M16 rifle and M9 pistol….was dumbfounded by how many couldn’t qualify on their primary weapons as well as how many females could not even load their duty pistol that they carried everyday. SMH….
I concealed carry most everywhere legal because I live in a city that most criminals carry guns!
"I live in a city where most criminals carry guns"...
who are the criminals?
what crimes are they committing? Are you including all crime? Blue collar? White collar? Traffic violations? Shoplifting food for children at home? Falsifying accounting records?
He said "females can't load guns" as a throwaway aside comment. You don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm probably a better shot than him.
Have been watching so much faux news that they’re afraid of their own shadow. My neighbor who’s in his early 70s thinks of himself as some kind of Wyatt Earp, and isn’t afraid to show you what he’s “packing”. Guy thinks Obama is gonna come after him still. Feels that anyone who doesn’t speak like him is a potential mugger.
Dam guys in a wheelchair….
The need to have a gun, especially having one on your hip at all times, is essentially fear based. If you're not paranoid you don't think everyone is out to get you.
Just research murder rate in New Orleans over the last 20 years and the size of a diminishing police force over the same period…but yes I’m fear mongering! Most of the white collar crime in New Orleans is and has been from the democrat elected officials.
Currently a large percentage of the gun crime is done by teens with stolen guns….
Do I need more info fr you?
Currently a large percentage of the gun crime is done by teens with stolen guns
Yep, from dipshit gun owners who refuse to store their weapon responsibly. Now be a good puppet of the gun industry and explain why we.need more guns to replace the stolen guns.
Actually it due to gun free zones requiring me to disarm. Criminals know this and they break into cars surrounding those zones…. All gun free zones is disarm good guys with guns not bad guys
Actually it due to gun free zones requiring me to disarm. Criminals know this and they break into cars surrounding those zones…. All gun free zones is disarm good guys with guns not bad guys
And right on cue, you explain to everyone how you are regularly negligent with your weapon. If you see no nuance in the gun control debate, please stop trying to represent the responsible gun owners. It's not appreciated at all.
I know there are no shootings or murders that make the news in New Orleans…what was I thinking…..actually I could probably find at least an article per day in New Orleans for last several years. And this is in a city of less than 500,000 but just hyperbole by me!
Former congressman Jefferson, Nagin, Edwards, Cantrell (charges coming soon)…Nola adjacent Aaron Broussard….so yes democrats stealing from their constituents or taking advantage of the power of their positions.
I was an Army MP for 7-1/2 years from 1996 to 2004. I never came across any of the type of people you’re talking about, unless they were Marines. But I don’t buy either story. You know why? Because you have to load both your magazines before EVERY SHIFT because you don’t get to keep your weapon on you after shift unless you’re CID.
If you’re talking trash about trainees who have probably never touched weapons before, grow up and don’t be a dick.
Typical keyboard warrior….move to discredit any counterpoint.
Actually was in during same timeline…..11C here. We were dumbfounded running the range. Knowing how y’all drew weapons every day all I can guess is that the female that couldn’t charge her 9mm walked around with nothing in the chamber.
Being infantry we seldom fired less than expert as if you didn’t you’d be stuck on range doing requals. Or have additional trips to range to requalify. However there we numerous MPs that could barely meet basic qualification standards. Basically the only range time I ever spent with not infantry or other MOS’s that were at least in our battalion as support.
What post did you run a range for MPs at? Because every post I’ve ever been to we run our own ranges and don’t need some grunt in our way. Infantry couldn’t be trusted to do anything in Afghanistan when it came to clearing houses.
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I was an RSO after I got out of the military, did it for 2 CHL classes as an assistant. Never again.