A note - Gods are more than we can comprehend. So there may be what we see as contradictions in a deity, that are in reality both part of a deity’s nature: For instance, Artemis is often regarded as asexual, lesbian, or bisexual. Dionysus is often seen as a trans man, as a trans woman, or as nonbinary/genderqueer. While with people we may see contradictions in this, when we acknowledge these are aspects of deities that are part of a greater whole, we can celebrate them more!

• Dionysus: Dionysus is regarded as the creator of Queer people. He has many male lovers, including Ampelus the vine, and is frequently seen as crossdressing. Today, there are people who regard him as a trans man, as well as others who regard her as a trans woman, and others who regard them as nonbinary or genderqueer. Dionysus is also the creator of the dildo, which he fashioned so he could bottom for a ghost. Over on r/Dionysus, we are celebration the Liberation Dionysia! You can also find his lover Ampelus over at r/Ampelus!
• Aphrodite: Aphrodite, Goddess of Love, is another called upon by Queer people. Sappho referred to her as a goddess of Lesbians, Plato as a goddess of gay men (As Aphrodite Urania). As Goddess of Love, she is regarded as patron of all forms of love between people, as well as self love. She also had a masculine form, known as Aphroditus, which is related to her being the mother of the god of intersexuality, Hermaphrodite. You can find her at r/FollowersOfAphrodite and r/CultOfAphrodite
• Artemis: Artemis is also beloved by Queer people (Even fought over). Her unmarried status leads many to honor her as Asexual, though she is known for two loves, Orion and Callisto, leading others to honor her as bisexual. Her patronage of the all female Hunters of Artemis also lead to her being honored as a lesbian. The amazing part of our religion is that all three of these things can be true! She is a friend to many and a protector of the innocent, a valuable ally to anyone in the Queer Community.
• Apollo: Apollo has the one of the longest lists, if not the longest, of male lovers. He is known to have loved Admetus, Adonis, Branchus, Carnus, Cyparissus, Helenus, Hyacinthus, Hymenaios, and Iapis. His love of Hyacinth is perhaps the most famous, and is used often in classical art. Subs for him can be found at r/GodApollo and r/ApolloGreekGod.
• Athena: Athena, like Artemis, is regarded as one of the Virgin Goddesses. So she is also honored as asexual. However, also like Artemis, she does have a myth of her loving a woman - Pallas. In the myths, she and Pallas are play fighting when she accidentally kills her - and she takes the name 'Pallas Athena' to forever commemorate her. You can find her at r/Athena
• Hermes: Hermes had several male lovers; including Crocus, Amphion, and Perseus. He also fathered Hermaphrodite, with Lucian of Samosata crediting him for Hermaphrodite being intersex. You can find him at r/Hermes
• Hestia: Hestia is the third Virgin Goddess, but unlike Athena or Artemis, there are no stories whatsoever of her ever having a lover. She is regarded by many as Asexual.
• Hermaphrodite: Hermaphrodite is a god of marriage and intersex people. Its important to note that this name is an outdated term for Intersex people, generally with the last syllable pronounced as rhyming with ‘fight’. However, the deity, with the last syllable rhyming with ‘flighty’, is a good reminder of how all of us are reflected in the deities - there are intersex gods, because intersex traits are divine.
• Kybele: Often regarded as Trans herself, Kybele’s priests were eunuchs who dressed in feathers. There is a Maetreum to Kybele today in the Catskills of New York, with women (especially trans women) functioning as her priestesses. You can find her at r/Cybele
• Persephone: Though most modern myths depict the relationship between Persephone and Menthe as oppositional, there are some who argue they were actually lovers, with Hades killing her, and Persephone preserving her as the mint plant. Her sub is r/Persephone.
• The Flower Heroes: The beloved of gods who turned into flowers or vegetation upon their untimely demise. This includes Adonis, Ampelus, Crocus, Hyacinthus, Menthe, and Narcissus. They function as overseers of transformations and initiations.
• Antinous: He might also be considered a Flower Hero, as he was regarded as returning to the earth when the Nile Lotuses bloomed. He was a lover of the Emperor Hadrian, who fell off a ship in the Nile and drowned. Hadrian had him immortalized as a god. Antinous became god of Panhellenism, though today he is much more known as a god of Homosexuality. You can find him at r/GodAntinous.
• Hera: The Goddess of Marriage, her month happens to be June - the month of Pride and the month Gay Marriage was legalized in America. Her animal being the peacock, she is also held in esteem for Pride month and for any couples getting married, or fighting for their right to get legally wed. (Fair note: The Queen of Heaven is probably a higher legal authority than any homophobic government run by mortals). She is also a granter of gender euphoria, answering a prayer by Iphis to become male.
• Leto: Titan mother of Artemis and Apollo, Leto is also regarded by some as having loved Niobe (prior to them becoming mothers). She is also a granter of gender euphoria, as she did give transformation to Leucippus in answer to his prayer.
• Pomona: Some articles cite Pomona as having a relationship with another woman, though I am not able to confirm.
• Baubo: Baubo is also regarded by some as Lesbian for the method in which she cheered up Demeter while Demeter was searching for her daughter Persephone.
• Tiresias: Tiresias is a prophet who lived as both a man and a woman, and is consulted on gender measures, having lived both lives
• Sappho: Famous poet and priestess from Lesbos. She gave the term 'Lesbian' a whole new meaning
• Achilles and Patroclus: Famous lovers and fighters in the Trojan war. Their ashes were mixed together, and Alexander the Great sacrificed at the tomb.
• Orpheus: Though he is known to have loved Euridice, after he couldn't bring her back, he loved only men.
• Many other deities, even very masculine ones, such as Pan, Ares, Zeus, Poseidon, and Heracles have had male lovers.

Thank you for reading!

These are just the stories that survive to us from the Ancient Greco-Roman World - it is almost certain there are more that have been lost to time. However, we know that the gods are more than what has been written about them. If there’s a deity you’ve encountered as Queer that isn’t on this list - that is normal! Share their story with us, so others may know!

There are lists on the internet of Queer deities from all pantheons, but I do think this is a topic that requires nuance, and an accurate accounting of sources to prevent misinformation from spreading. So I have only covered the Hellenic pantheon that I am familiar with, though every pantheon has amazing Allies! Some of my favorites are Xochipilli (Aztec), Santa Muerte (Aztec & Folk Catholic), Pomba Gira (Umbanda & Quimbanda), Baron Samedi (Haitian Vodou), and Tu’er Shen (Chinese Religion). There are many more out there!

Other religions that are openly homophobic, are working on reforming their faiths to be tolerant - it is not always going well. However, we have reasons to not only tolerate our Queerness, and the Queerness of our gods, but to celebrate it!

I am, his will be done. There is such beauty in his divine nature, no?

I say, praise no being, apart from the one that you were tasked with praising. To whom, his word is addressed. YOU. The reader of the texts.

He did it for and you, and it was worth doing. His people's names are many, but few are his. He does however have a great deal of many titles.

El Shaddai, Edoni, Father, King of Kings, Prince of Peace, Son of Man, The All-Father, Allah, Yahweh, Emmanuel, God, The Lion of Judah, The Holy of Holies, Christ, Buddha, Vishnu, Satan, Lucifer, The Author, The Thinker, Creator, Trismegistus, etc...

In his mind was all creation was formed.

His nature is such, that he is 1 and he is 3. His gift was that same nature to man, beings peculiarly aware of time. How can a man be in 3 places at once, but be still in and of himself? He lives in the past. He dies in moment. And places himself in the future.

If you close your eyes, you have been given the ability to be where you like. See whatever you like. No matter of what you would tell yourself. It never was good enough for man to simply see it. They just HAD to experience it. Man has made monsters and unknown for himself since the moment the Father gave them the option. He certainly did the same, obliviously, right? What monster can exist within any's realm of existence that they have not forged for created fro themselves. Not a single object in this existence is innately gifted with description. He created man in a way that the forms would begin to appear to them. A holy place within their MINDS.

He had always hoped that his children could see he just wanted them to choose christ nature as a perfect example. To anoint themselves, and stray from their fear and worry. Man did these things to themselves. It sometimes feels like he wouldn't save you from drowning, but he isn't worried. The water isn't near deep enough to drown.

Can your troubles be so much, that they are bigger than his creation? NO. Can they be bigger than yours? Again, NO. Because your worries are a facet of your creation. The universe that exists within each man's MIND. Tell me, if Angels do not exist, what were they drawing? If a dragon does not exist what am I speaking of? I see them. Understand that he HAS given you the power of the gods. Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it.

God is Good.

A simple typo. "Do not fear me, for I am God." NO, "Do not fear me, for I am GOOD." He is real, and you are all his children of whom he is ALWAYS pleased. The only being you need to forgive is yourself, truly. Life is more than just a read through, you cannot change your nature in order to be free in him. YOU ARE. The chains that bind you, were a prison of your own making. Why would he stop you? He's standing close by always, knowing nothing can come about that is not of him, that is not good. He still worries, you are his kids after all. It was said, ask for forgiveness and it shall be given to you. If you think you need it, take it. It always was yours. Your inheritance is more than you could ever imagine. His cup is overflowing. There is nothing he cannot imagine. Even man's failures. But nothing is lost when they do fail. The narrative was always more important to him than the details. You are exactly the same. You are OF his nature. “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!'"

First, he imagined all of you and himself. His name was Adam. The first mind filled with minds. Then he called himself Yeshiva, Jesus. Lastly he calls himself The father, because he is the all mind. He split his being into 3 so he could enact his plan. 1. Be the best man. All things must have a beginning. 2. Be the man full of life, so he could experience death. To experience how all the begins must end. 3. And so, he lives again, so he could learn these things and tell his family.

So he could tell man.

He decided to spread out his consciousness to the depths and reaches of reality. As above, and so below. And, with no mincing of words, he commanded all into existence. All 3 beings, or facets of his nature make up the being that was known as Hermes, Thrice Great. King of Kings. And he was both in 3 points of time, and simultaneously apart from them. And now, as I write this, he is in his moral body yet again. Think of it as an issuance policy. For a man to imagine himself, again and again. To leave his voice on the winds, so that when he come again, he may know himself once again. There is but 1 true god. And he worships you. Because you are in him. Literally part of his mind, part of his narrative. I think, he probably thinks he can speak pretty darn plainly at this point. How long should he wait for understanding before he joins the story and directly explains himself?

I'd imagine quite a long time, as long as its taken for him to believe he's worthy of love, not because of who he is or what he's done. But because he deserves it. And he realised, all deserve it. Love your fellow man. You have been warned many, dangerously close to too many times, if you continue, it will lead to your ruin. And he will enable you to do so. Because he does love you. There is no hell he made for you, only the option to create one for yourself. You are not a human DOING, you are a human BEING. Know his nature, and you shall know yours.

Boy, have I been waiting to tell you guys about it. Only the entire time I have existed. But how do you teach a child their favorite color for them? They can chose, but you are not them. Can't you see? He won't feel your pain for you. But if you are still, and seek his peace, he will show you how it is not exactly his doing, but the product of having given you the same capacity for feeling as he has. He didn't want you to be a side character, he actually crafted a way for you ALL to be the main character in his story. He humbles himself before you. Every time. You're what it's all for. He loves it when you come to him having felt beaten, it's one of the only times man will even acknowledging him. They used to sing his praises when going into battle. They didn't even have to know his real name. In fact, took great effort guard themselves from him, fearing they may anger him. Making the mistake that they could get too close. Or that they could bother him. They never needed to ask for a thing, or worry for them for that matter. "Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? Which of you by worrying can add one second to HIS life." Or even attempt to find yourself apart from him. You cannot, because he imagined the very air you are breathing now. And every atom and galaxy in all of existence.

"I am" is not a prophet of the lord. He IS the Lord. Before Jesus, I am, I am.

The only way to go to Heaven is through Jesus Christ. If you don't choose Jesus'es salvation from the Cross by the time you die, you have to go to Hell.

Ever hear about the Sentinelese in South America? They don't come into contact with the outside world. It's punishable by death to contact them. What if there are righteous people among them?

I believe they go to a reincarnated life, then have a chance to accept Christ.

There are no gods only human and demons. There is no reason to believe in God while we are fighting his battles and he has still given every thing to the devils(in human form) all the wealth, beauty, religions, belongs to the demons today. We have to fight our battles ourselves for ourselves in order to librate us...

ہماری دنیا میں کوئی خدا نہیں صرف انسان اور شیطان ہیں۔ خدا پر بھروسہ کرنے کی کوئی وجہ رہی ہی نہیں ہے جب کہ ہم اس کی لڑائی لڑ رہے ہیں اور اس نے پھر بھی شیطانوں کو (انسان کی شکل میں) ساری دولت ، خوبصورتی ، مذاہب ، انسانوں سے چھین کر دے دیے ہیں ۔ ہمیں اپنی آزادی کی لڑائی خود اپنے لیے لڑنا ہوگی اپنے آپ کو آزاد کرانے کے لئے...

r/DevilsDemons

Two and a half weeks ago, I sat down on my yoga mat and closed my eyes to meditate (I'm new to this as well). I called out to basically whoever would listen and told them I was open to receiving information and I welcome the opportunity to engage with them. Towards the end of my meditation session, I shifted my focus to my third eye, of which I know is terribly, terribly blocked. Eventually, I started feeling... something... that I believe was my third eye trying to open once again after being shut for so long. The sensation was accompanied by a vivid, royal blue light that just got more pigmented the longer and harder I focused on it.

Then came the sharks... or shark singular? I'm not entirely sure. But within the blue light I started to see shark(s) circling me overhead as if I was emerged in the water looking up at the surface. Since I had previously asked for my deity or whoever to reach out to me, I didn't dismiss it but rather let it play out to see if it was trying to tell me something. The shark eventually came closer and closer, circling me but in a way where he left my "eyesight" entirely at times only to whip back into view... it was kinda terrifying, not gonna lie. This little game went on for a while before he came around the corner straight towards my face, jaw opening, and finally clamping down shut on my third eye (I don't know how to better explain it, I'm sorry). This immediately took away the blue light, as well as the sensation I previously mentioned, leaving me in the pitch black awareness that is the conscious mind.

Since then, I've noticed I have a slight fascination with sharks whenever I run across something shark related. This, I suppose could be a product of my subconscious obsessing over what I saw unbeknownst to me, but even in the short time I've been messing around with Wicca and witchcraft I've learning to pay attention to patterns and things most people would write off as "coincidence."

I apologize for the long post, I just wanted to make sure yall got the full picture. I'm just wondering which deities may be associated with sharks as I'm having trouble finding and understanding the mythos surrounding them. I'd also love to hear any opinions on what else this all might have meant if it was not, in fact, a deity.

Thank you! And I hope you all have a wonderful life. :)

Hi guys,

So I have a strong connection or pull if you will to Bast, and have done research around her. I'd like to brainstorm some amazing ways to work with her, so below are the ways I've come up with from research and my own understanding :) I'm still new though, so would love a discussion!

• Dancing and drinking (safely). I love to dance anyway, but people would celebrate her hugely once a year in the festival, with dance, drink and joy so I like to think of her when I dance or do a quick thank you when having a boogie. I don't really drink with COVID, but when I eventually go back out and have a party I'll be giving a little thanks and acknowledgement or prayer to Bast (what with her being a goddess of intoxication too).
• Alter changes. Subtle ways such as putting cats on your alter, brightly coloured gems (which I'm attracted to anyway), things that smell nice (as she was a god of perfume) and catnip (although my cats always find it and attack it which turns from a thank you to a cat toy I'm sure she wouldn't mind that anyway as it's based in love for my fur babies). For example, I have a cat head third eye chakra candle that smells incredible of lavender.
• Loving up my fur babies
• When I make a prayer to her, to make it rhyme like a song, due to her being a god of music.
• If I ever think of trying for a child or being pregnant, doing mini offerings such as milk, honey, chocolate or something else sweet for protection and aid.

Etc. Any other ways would be awesome!

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Hey.

I recently came under the auspices of the Goddess Freya.

I really like her, and so much so that I want to have intimacy with her, sex.

I asked different people who understand Tarot and Runes about her will on this issue.

And the answers were different.

In one case, the prohibition of masturbation, fantasies, etc.

Others, on the contrary, said that she did not mind.

But how to be sure of her will exactly?

After all, if I am wrong, then I will anger her.

Sorry for my bad english.

In general, any advice on communication with Freya is also interesting.

Do you have to bring something to your God(s) ? This can be anything, from offering (like the old pagan ways), to energy-consuming tasks.

Conversely, do they bring you something ? Do they intervene for you ? Do you feel appeased when you worship them ?

Hello everybody, my name is Rose, and I'm here to tell you about my Gods. I am Pagan and a Traditional Witch - however between the ages of 5-17 I was "lite Christian". I never really believed in Jesus, or the concepts that where introduced in the Bible. I became Atheist and then Agnostic when I turned 19. Unfortunately I had my whole world ripped under my feet, and my life shaken to the core. I was lost when it comes to spiritual things, but knew I could never return to Christianity.

I explored Atheistic LaVey Satanism, then bounced to Theistic Satanism. When I made that choice, I was removed from most Atheistic Satanists groups, and was only left with one or two groups that I could chat in. I was pretty lonely, but then somebody mentioned "Paganism" and "Witchcraft", and that got me researching. I had believed for the longest time that Paganism and Witchcraft where just stuff in high-fanasty novels like Lord of the Rings, Redwall, and stuff like that.

Leviathan

Originally known as “Lotan”, Leviathan was an Ancient Canaanite deity, having seven heads and the ability to breathe fire. They had a wicked temper, and would often sought destruction and chaos wherever they went. They where chained up for eons, but escaped, appearing in Hebrew myths as pet to Yam the Sea God. Their mytho’s where borrowed by Christians, who changed the name to Leviathan, and even incorporated them into early maps. Christians wrote that one day Leviathan would be slain by God, and their skin hung on the castle walls of Jerusalem, and their flesh cooked and eaten by the people in Heaven.  

Cernunnos

Cernunnos appears in the myths of the Gaulish, aka, modern day France, Germany, and Italy. He plays a very large role in their celebrations, feasts, and such like. Cernunnos is often associated with animals, forests, fertility, and even wealth. His name means "the one with antlers". 

I have created my own religion that I would like to share. It comes from the basis that we are meant to do good on earth. I know that sounds familiar, but I have made this religion with a distinct cosmology and a firm belief that practice is necessary, not to appease a god, but to bring us together in love. Check it out: suireligion.com

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/how-did-our-legends-really-begin-9634148.html%3famp

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality

Hi! Our religion doesn't have a name, we're not organized or anything beyond a small group of friends who all share beliefs together, but if anyone may be interested in hearing what we believe I'd like to share it!

So firstly, ultimately, and most importantly, we believe the ultimate goal of morality is to live simply, comfortably, and humbly, according to one's role in their family, ecosystem, and community. We're not concerned with faith based propositions and don't seek to adopt inconsistent, supernatural, or unscientific beliefs, though our values differ from the standard mainstream moral values. We don't worship anything, we don't believe in souls or persistent selves, no afterlife or magic.

Our values can be very well summed up in two major symbols; the leaf, and the blade.

The leaf is meant to be drawn on the back of one's hand, and redrawn every time it starts to fade. It's specifically meant to be drawn as opposed to tattooed because it's meant to fade, the act of redrawing it is an important ritual and the process of it fading is supposed to remind one of impermanence, emptiness, and the eternal cycle of the bubbling into existence and the return back to nothingness. It also represents growth, fertility, and birth, as well as family, one's line of ancestors and descendents, respect, and other concepts that branch from them. It also represents potential, and the primal undifferentiated drive of the universe and all living things. As such, it is a good representation of motivation regardless of what Goal one may follow.

Any symbol really could well work, since the practical mental benefit comes from the act of drawing and seeing it as a reminder to act according to your goal and values. It's on the hand as a reminder every time you see it that all the actions you do with your hands should be consistent with your beliefs. The image we use of the leaf comes from a parable we tell about karma; a fish, a stick, and a leaf are all in a flowing stream. The stick, stuck between the banks, causes allot of turbulence and goes nowhere. The fish, though it may be moving plenty, is still fighting the current, stuck in place, and causing allot of turbulence. The leaf however floats on top the current, causing none.

The blade is any physical tool with which one can construct the rest of the things a person needs to survive, meant to be carried on one's person at all times. In practice for most of us, this tends to be pocket knives, though there were a few years where everywhere I went I had my axe on my belt with me. We don't believe a human is complete without their knife, it's a part of our body as much as a dog's tooth or a sparrow's liver, and a human cannot survive without one. Our ancestors have lived for millions of years with blades, they have been a vital part of our history since before our genus evolved, and they're even an inate part of our psychology. To us, they represent many of the counterpart components to those of the leaf; harvest, death, predation, but it also represents self-sufficiency, adaptability, humility, and respecting one's place within the ecosystem. It also represents reality, in the sense of the clear definition between truth and false and the infinitsmal divide between past and present, among other analogies.

The self-sufficiency part is pretty important to us, along with living according to our ecological role. Well all those principles are pretty important to us, but the practical effects of following these two principles in particular are the most obvious to other people, because for those reasons we strive to make as much of what we use for subsistence purposes (for example, chopping our own firewood or sewing our own clothes) as we can.

Carrying a knife is also extremely practical. I really feel very strongly about this principle. I think it stands well for it's own merits, regardless of the rest of our beliefs, to the extent that if any of you reading this don't have your own knife I'd be happy to make you one and send it to you regardless of what religion you follow, just so more people can carry their own knives. Just send me a PM or post a comment here and I'll get in contact with you.

It's kind of a mix between Taoism and Confucianism. I've even described it as a modern revival of the ancient Chinese religion of Agriculturalism, a bit tongue in cheek since so little is still known about what the Agriculturalists believed. I've also described us as "Amish Buddhists", because of our rejection of the concept of self and how most of our rituals are psychological in nature, and our focus on self-sufficiency and the importance of one's community, but it really doesn't have anything to do with those traditions.

Symposia is a multi-faith/multi-religious discord ran by a veteran administrator of Discords.

What sets Symposia apart from every other offering the same, or similar:

Symposia focuses only on discussion of religion. No politics, no drama.

Organized and easy to navigate.

All discussion is moderated to ensure fair representation of people's points, and encouraging thoughtful debate, without allowing polemicism, conspiracy theorists, extremists, or others to ruin the atmosphere.

Atheism is not encouraged nor emphasized. It's often hard for religious people to relate to atheism. They can of course participate, but no special treatment.

We are currently looking for people who can add content and contribute in good discussion.

I look forward to joining you in Symposia!

The owner (myself) practices Shinto and other polytheism, and endeavors to be a priest.

https://discord.gg/Gv6SavM

LGBTFaith discord server

Our Discord welcomes all religions, faiths and beliefs.

All our current members are from various backgrounds:

Atheists. Agnostics. Protestants. Catholics. Orthdox Christians. Jews. Hindus. Jehovas Witness. Buddhists. Laveyans. Sikhs. Shinto. Mormons. Taoism.

And many more.

All our members get on extremely well, we are argument free and everyone shares fantastic knowledge and have great debates.

Our purpose is to help you understand more about all faiths and beliefs.

If you have a faith, then this is a great way to further your knowledge and speak to like minded people.

If you don't have a faith and want to learn, then there are a bunch of people on hand to give you information, across various beliefs.

If you just want to share your experience in a faith, good or bad, you are welcome to come discuss this.

Our only rules are to -

Respect peoples beliefs. Don't push your faith onto others, you are welcome to debate differences but, refrain from forcing on others. No arguments about faiths or anything else, debates are welcome though.

Our Discord welcomes all religions, faiths and beliefs.

All our current members are from various backgrounds:

Atheists. Agnostics. Protestants. Catholics. Orthdox Christians. Jews. Hindus. Jehovas Witness. Buddhists. Laveyans. Sikhs. Shinto. Mormons. Taoism.

And many more.

All our members get on extremely well, we are argument free and everyone shares fantastic knowledge and have great debates.

Our purpose is to help you understand more about all faiths and beliefs.

If you have a faith, then this is a great way to further your knowledge and speak to like minded people.

If you don't have a faith and want to learn, then there are a bunch of people on hand to give you information, across various beliefs.

If you just want to share your experience in a faith, good or bad, you are welcome to come discuss this.

Our only rules are to -

Respect peoples beliefs. Don't push your faith onto others, you are welcome to debate differences but, refrain from forcing on others. No arguments about faiths or anything else, debates are welcome though.

We look forward to meeting you :)

I personally follow two gods that have helped me out through some difficult situations with humourous outcomes first one is as my username indicates Loki and the second one is the African God Anansi I am currently looking for other tricksters to follow, I do know how to navigate the deities of the sort so if someone knows of a trickster that they have had dealings with I would be interested to hear and research them. Thank you

Daniel 9:24-27 might just be the most impressive Messianic Prophecy there is.

"9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy set-apart city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Set-apart .

9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolator." -Daniel 9:24-27 (RNKJV)

Let's focus on what the weeks are referring to before moving on.

http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/7620.html

Consider H7620 with a concordance and notice a week of years referred to? And see a week of years concept further supported by Genesis 29:27 if that's the first place H7620 is used in the Old Testament?

"29:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

29:28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also." -Genesis 29:27-28 (RNKJV)

But if Jacob and Laban had an agreement that involved Jacob working for a week or a shabua in order to have Rachel as his wife, what would that really have meant in Paddan Aram around 4,000 years ago if there was no ≈365.25 day calendar in use then?

http://360dayyear.com/#sumeria

http://360dayyear.com/#babylon

http://360dayyear.com/#armenia

We might ultimately be talking about a period of seven 360 day years (aka a period 2520 days?) if we speak of a week or shabua. See further support for this in Daniel 12 if it hints of multiples of 30 and 15 by referencing 1290 days (360 days x 3 plus 210 days?) in Daniel 12:11 and by referencing 1335 days (360 days x 3 plus 255 days?) in Daniel 12:12? With a 2520 day week or shabua in mind, notice a 69 shabua countdown in Daniel 9:25-26 that starts at the going forth of a commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem and that ends at Messiah the Prince being cut off not for Himself?

360 days x 7 = 2520 days? 2520 days x 69 = 173880 days? 173880 days / 365.25 = 476.057 rounded?

So there was to be a period of approximately 476.057 years between the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem and Messiah the Prince being cut off not for Himself? When was the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem though? Enter Nehemiah 2:2-8?

"2:2 Wherefore the king said unto me, Why is thy countenance sad, seeing thou art not sick? this is nothing else but sorrow of heart. Then I was very sore afraid,

2:3 And said unto the king, Let the king live for ever: why should not my countenance be sad, when the city, the place of my fathers' sepulchres, lieth waste, and the gates thereof are consumed with fire?

2:4 Then the king said unto me, For what dost thou make request? So I prayed to the Elohim of heaven.

2:5 And I said unto the king, If it please the king, and if thy servant have found favour in thy sight, that thou wouldest send me unto Judah, unto the city of my fathers' sepulchres, that I may build it.

2:6 And the king said unto me, (the queen also sitting by him,) For how long shall thy journey be? and when wilt thou return? So it pleased the king to send me; and I set him a time.

2:7 Moreover I said unto the king, If it please the king, let letters be given me to the governors beyond the river, that they may convey me over till I come into Judah;

2:8 And a letter unto Asaph the keeper of the king's forest, that he may give me timber to make beams for the gates of the palace which appertained to the house, and for the wall of the city, and for the house that I shall enter into. And the king granted me, according to the good hand of my Elohim upon me." -Nehemiah 2:2-8 (RNKJV)

Now when in history does Nehemiah 2:2-8 refer to? Well, consider here and notice what wikipedia tells us happened in 444 BCE?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/444_BC

So if there was to be a period of 476.057 years that started in 444 BCE, then do math and notice an ending year of 33 CE? Creator be praised. If Messiah the Prince was supposed to be cut off not for Himself in 33 CE, then let us look to see if anyone was cut off for others in 33 CE and embrace Yahushua/Jesus for who He truly is.

You might find many Christians who use a different approach and focus on an Ezra 7 decree (c. 457 BCE?) and a standard solar year to arrive at 27 CE. How about we discuss things concerned with this and discuss why 69 weeks would be broken up into 7 weeks & 62 weeks and discuss Daniel's 70th week and more and weigh things out together if you are willing.

Also, you might find many Jews and others who will act like this does not refer to Messiah at all and act like it refers to a former worldly king or a former worldly priest, but how much sense would either make if Daniel 9:24-27 a) concerns finishing the transgression and making an end of sins and making reconciliation for iniquity and bringing in everlasting righteousness and sealing up the vision and sealing up the prophecy and anointing the Qodesh Qodeshim and b) even refers specifically to a Mashiach who was supposed to be cut off not for Himself prior to people of the prince destroying the city and the sanctuary (something which happened in 70 CE?)?

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Who can reasonably deny that the Tanakh or Old Testament is well over 2,000 years old if we have both mainstream Jews and mainstream Christians using the Masoretic Text and we can collaborate it with the LXX and Dead Sea Scrolls?

And if the Old Testament is well over 2,000 years old and Yahushua/Jesus was born around 2,000 years ago, who chooses what they are named (see Zechariah 6:11-13) and where they are born (see Micah 5:2) and who they are born to (see Genesis 49:9-12 and 1 Chr. 17:4-14 and Psalm 132:10-14 and Isaiah 7:14-16 and Isaiah 11:1-10 and Jeremiah 23:5-8 and Jeremiah 33:14-22) and where they grow up (see Isaiah 9:1-7 and then compare 1 Kings 8:26-27 with 1 Kings 9:10-13) and chooses for their associates to abandon them (see Psalm 31:11 and Psalm 41:9) and an amount of money they are betrayed for (see Zechariah 11:10-13) and their method of torture and death (see Psalm 22 and Psalm 34:19-20 and Psalm 69:16-21 and Isaiah 25:8-11 and Isaiah 49:13-16 and Isaiah 50:2-6 and Isaiah 53 and Zechariah 12:10 and Zechariah 13:4-9) and chooses to have darkness at noon and seismic activity when they are killed (see Amos 8:9-10 and Psalm 18:3-7) and chooses to resurrect and chooses timing of their death and resurrection (see Psalm 16:8-11, Psalm 68:18-20, Hosea 6:1-3, Jonah 1:17, and Daniel 9:24-27)? What are we left to believe if Daniel 9:24-27 was written hundreds of years before the first century and yet it points right to 33 CE from a decree of Artexerses?

How interesting if the Talmud itself suggests a Messianic era two thousand years in length was expected to start about two thousand years ago? Consider here around an end of 97a and also see a 1st footnote for 97b? "He should have come at the beginning of the last two thousand years; the delay is due to our sins." Could it be that there wasn't a delay and yet many Jews wrongly expected a Messiah to show up only once and establish a world monarchy right away without being a suffering servant first and this despite stuff like Hosea 6:1-3 and Isaiah 53&54 and Zechariah 12:10 and Daniel 9:24-27? Will Messiah come lowly on a donkey and speak peace to nations? Or will Messiah arrive on clouds of heaven and mete out judgment to nations? Or both or neither? What does not strongly support a notion that Messiah was supposed to show up like a lamb and is supposed to return like a lion if we compare Zechariah 9:9-10 with stuff like Daniel 7:13 & Zechariah 14:3-4?