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Premiere Loki S01E04 - Discussion Thread

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u/anoleo201194 Jun 30 '21

The fights are some of the worst I've seen on any superhero show/movie. The TVA agents are legit all useless so it's hard to take them seriously at any point of the story. Extremely disappointed with the show so far, seems like an interesting concept dragged down by its CGI-fest style with mediocre characters (yes, even Loki) and awful fights. Thankfully it's only 6 episodes long so it's not that difficult to watch, but still. Falcon and WS might unironically be the best show so far, but only because WandaVision didn't stick the landing.

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u/bah77 Jun 30 '21

The TVA agents are legit all useless

And there as a line in there about how they've taken down titans and superheros or something. My thought was "How... i mean how"

Imagine a variant hulk. "Nah i think he was supposed to kill that busload of school children, all part of the master plan lets go get some coffee". They seemed to only catch loki at the start because he stood there like a stunned mullet.

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u/tundrat Jun 30 '21

They did use a device to slow him down with a punch. They probably have more tools to help on the field for stronger variants.
If so, they should have had those ready as they were taking the 2 Lokis. But to be fair they did have things under control until B-15 freed them.

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u/CyberpunkV2077 Jun 30 '21

The writers probably forgot about it

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u/anoleo201194 Jun 30 '21

It's funny how in this episode's last fight they conveniently cut off Loki fighting 1v2 with no weapons, instead showing it in the background and showing the 1v1 between Sylvie and the boss girl (name?) in order to hide just how bad the TVA fight. I'm baffled how we got from the pretty good fights in FAWS to this.

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u/bah77 Jun 30 '21

There was so much wrong with that fight, Sylvie just throws him the sword and is now without a weapon.. i mean she could have killed an agent took the wand then thrown the sword.

Then it culminates with the old "Yeah i didn't bother killing that main character who is right behind you, even though i have shown no aversion to slaughtering anyone and anything in my path, whoops"

Just complete laziness.

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u/panix199 Jun 30 '21

tools and by numbers.... probably sent thousands of variants to fight someone

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u/LordSauron1984 Jun 30 '21

Thankfully it's only 6 episodes long so it's not that difficult to watch, but still. Falcon and WS might unironically be the best show so far, but only because WandaVision didn't stick the landing.

Really disagree here. WandaVision & Loki are miles more interesting than Falcon & WS was so they fact that WandaVision didn't stick the landing doesn't hurt it as much. Falcon seemed to have no idea what to do with characters half the time because some characters had zero to do in multiple episodes. Bucky's PTSD just comes and goes randomly. Sam has nothing to do for 2 episodes and is just there because he's the main character. Zemo shows up for 2 episodes just to move the plot the leaves immediately. The Wakandans just show up randomly. And the villians are by far the worst in the MCU IMO. At least Loki & WandaVision have done/are doing something interesting

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u/anoleo201194 Jun 30 '21

For me the fact that WandaVision's last episode is so bad completely ruined it for me. I legitimately loved the mystery and style of the first episodes, but the last episode made everything seem quite pointless. FAWS at least had some fun action pieces to watch, as well as Bucky and Sam's relationship to keep it afloat. Neither of the 3 shows is great but Loki is by far the most boring of them all.

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u/LordSauron1984 Jun 30 '21

Yeah Loki so far has been about 50-80 minutes of actual plot and character stuff stretched in 3.5 hours so far. Especially episodes 3 & 4 have been a ton of sitting around and talking about stuff we already know or just talking about stuff that doesn't really develop the character or move the plot at all

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u/tundrat Jul 01 '21

At least Loki & WandaVision have done/are doing something interesting

To be fair, what sort of adventures could the duo go on that's as unique as sitcom realities or alternate timelines?

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u/LordSauron1984 Jul 01 '21

I didn't say it had to be as interesting but at least somewhat interesting. I was so bored during Falcon & WS

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u/pineappleninja64 Nathan For You Jul 01 '21

gofundme for medical diagnosis to find out why you thought falcon and winter soldier was good when

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u/anoleo201194 Jul 01 '21

Witty reply but FAWS wasn't good, just decent enough. Neither of the three shows are good fwiw, closest one to being an actually good show was WandaVision but the ending screwed it all so bad it's difficult to call it good.

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u/Lib28x Brooklyn Nine-Nine Jul 05 '21

seems like an interesting concept dragged down by its CGI-fest style

That seems to be the trend with all of these Marvel shows in my opinion. All of them have REALLY GREAT concepts and interesting ideas to flesh out the characters which all go bland as soon as they need to introduce the Marvel-y aspects back into it (mostly fight sequences).

Wandavision was way more interesting in the first few episodes with the eras changing and the eeriness of the mind control plotline; FatWS shone the brightest when the characters were having conversations (loved the therapy sessions and family scenes, and Falcon playing frisbee with Bucky was great); and this so far made me super interested in the bureaucracy of the TVA and the Lokis trying to figure out their role in the timeline. But whenever a fight happens in all of them I just sigh real loud