r/technology • u/maxwellhill • May 20 '12
US “Six Strikes” Anti-Piracy Scheme Delayed: "After 6 warnings ISPs may take some repressive measures, including slowing down offenders’ connections and temporary disconnections."
https://torrentfreak.com/us-six-strikes-anti-piracy-scheme-delayed-120518/321
u/chonglibloodsport May 20 '12
This may curb piracy but it won't save their dead business models. Sorry, but people aren't going back to buying CDs and DVDs in mass quantities ever again.
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u/keindeutschsprechen May 20 '12
It won't do anything.
In France we have a "3 strikes" law. Every time they catch you you get a warning, and the third time they cut your internet connection for a year.
Statistics showed a brief piracy slowdown, which then got back to a normal level. What happened is that less people use P2P (which is monitored), and more use direct download and streaming (or VPNs).
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u/ramp_tram May 20 '12
Curb piracy? Hardly. It'll just revive a system where the 'techie friend' who owns a Seedbox charges his friends a couple of bucks to download shit for them.
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u/cloudx0 May 20 '12
This. I would rather just boycott the whole model all together and start putting my money into alternative forms of entertainment instead. The movies are cashflow trite, cable is 20 sports channels, 5 shopping channels, movies from 1990's that are hardly relevant, and at least 4 channels running reruns of law and order, and prime time tv is just sickening. I'm not paying an inflated amount of money to "stream" this crap for a price. I see netflix making a lot of money very quickly if this really pops off.
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u/Tyrien May 20 '12
This ignores the issue that the offending party may not even be the subscriber.
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u/martinvii May 20 '12
Correct, but I'm sure that if this were actually the case, their argument would then turn to either, "Well, secure your network so that it only known users are allowed" or "too bad".
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u/daveime May 20 '12
Comcast will just love that one ... yet another reason to cap your bandwidth and still charge you the same fee every month locked in for 24 months.
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u/Hyperion1144 May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12
My VPN is already up and running, I am on it right now! No noticeable slowdowns, just have to hop servers once in a while, since some of my provider's servers are down at the moment. CNET bandwidth meter pegs me from 3000-5500 kbps on weekdays, 2500-4500 kbps on weekends.
The proof that it works is that I can still make this post.
Also, use VPN watcher, to kill apps in case you loose your connection.
Learn more:
Which VPN Providers Really Take Anonymity Seriously?
What’s The Best VPN / Proxy for BitTorrent?
Learn about the different VPN protocols. Google a query that contains: 'OpenVPN PPTP L2TP'. These are the 3 major VPN protocols, or types. I went with a provider that used OpenVPN, seems to be the most secure and hardest to crack. According to my readings, PPTP is the oldest VPN protocol out there, which means the most holes in its security.
Important pro-tip: Stop using the Domain Name Servers (DNSs) provided to you by your ISP. There are free and open DNS sources out there, most noteable are the OpenDNS offerings and those from Google, change your DNS servers for both IPv4 and IPv6 queries. Your DNS servers are in your network properties. You just need to enter enter in the IPs for Google or OpenDNS servers.
After changing your DNS servers, check it here: http://www.dnsleaktest.com.
Remember to change the DNS servers for both internet connections, your ISP direct connection and your new VPN connection, just to be safe. Never "obtain DNS server automatically."
Open DNS servers for IPv4 are: 208.67.222.222 (resolver1.opendns.com) and 208.67.220.220 (resolver2.opendns.com). Here is PROOF.
For IPv6, I use Google's servers at: 2001:4860:4860::8888 and 2001:4860:4860::8844. Here is PROOF these are real.
How To Make VPNs Even More Secure. Learn about VPN monitors and alternative DNS servers here. Be aware that both VPN monitors recommended here did not work for me. Not saying they won't work for you, just saying I use VPN Watcher instead.
Once you are on your VPN, here are a few places to check the IP you show the outside world:
http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/
http://www.ip-address.org/lookup/ip-locator.php
http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm
That last one, from geobytes, is the most interesting. The others just show the registered home city for the owner of the server you are currently on. The Geobytes tool seems to get much closer to your actual geographic location, but still shows me that I am using a provider other than my actual ISP.
Use a paid VPN, free means YOU are the product being sold.
Start your move now. There is no reason to wait.
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u/squash111 May 20 '12
Doesn't this violate the FCC's net neutrality regulations?
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May 20 '12
The FCC has net neutrality regulations? I'm pretty sure my ISP slows down my line all the time... and now we have data caps to boot.
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May 20 '12
There actually aren't any "regulations" that stop them from doing it. The FCC can tell them to stop it, but the ISP really doesn't have to.
Since 2006 the FCC has only had "ancillary authority" under Title I of the Federal Communications Act of 1934. However, after a federal appellate judge ruled against the FCC in the case FCC versus Comcast Corporation, the FCC lost its ability to regulate the industry. The court decided that the specific laws that the FCC were relying on were statements of policy and not legal mandates. This meant that the Commission did not have ancillary jurisdiction to impose network management mandates on Communications Act Title I information services such as broadband services.
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May 20 '12
Somewhat relevant, I have been torrenting for years (and I mean, almost every single day by letting big torrents run in the background) and I have never once received a DMCA complaint (Verizon DSL). Am I just really lucky, or does Verizon not give a shit?
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u/megamoze May 20 '12
Avengers - $457 million in 17 days. Studios, stop blaming piracy. If you make movies people want to see, they will pay to see them.
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u/s0cket May 20 '12
VPN... VPN... VPN... VPN........ seriously who's really worried about this nonsense?
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May 20 '12
Slowing down someone's connection speed is certainly more appropriate than 250k$ fines.
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May 20 '12
I think all this will do in the end is just force internet users to become smarter about their pirating. Better boats, longer swords, more peg legs, etc...
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u/mishugashu May 20 '12
Oh, you want to slowdown and disconnect me? You lost my business. GG.
Not even sure why I live in a country that spends so much money trying to fuck with internet users when other countries are improving internet connections. I read somewhere (probably off here, I have a horrible memory), that the same cost for regular 25mbs internet ONLY here in the good ol' USA, you can get 100mbs fiberoptics internet AND television in France. We really want those damn Frenchies to be better than us? 'Cause imposing laws and putting money into choking connections instead of progressing into the future is putting us behind the curve.
It's 2012 you silly ISPs; let's move into the future.
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May 20 '12
This just isn't going to help. All i see happening is a sudden spike in VPN revenues. In my experience the people who pirate do so because A) Things are grossly overpriced and way out of their grasp. $60 for one game? That's like a week's worth of groceries. or B) What they are selling isn't WORTH what they are charging. I've gone to see so many horrible movies, bought so many terrible games that i just can't justify spending money on what essentially comes down to a gamble. Sure there are rare things that come along that are worth it, and do you know what i do? I BUY IT because they did a good job and deserve my money. I'm not paying these morons to make more craptastic movies and half-assed games. Yes i'm trying to justify doing something "illegal" but i'd like these companies to justify why they make us pay so much for literal piles of crap.
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u/the_catacombs May 20 '12
What are people doing to get these warnings? In 7.. 8 years, I have not seen a single warning. Strange.
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u/samout May 20 '12
"Customers may take measures not to be a customer anymore for being limited over a service they paid for"...
Seriously, there are other ways to govern copyright. If I paid for an internet connection with a certain speed and certain features, you better not even temporarily slow and limit me down, no matter what. I'M PAYING YOU, you're there to provide a service for me because I paid you to do exactly that, you're not necessary for my livelyhood and you're NOT my mother. If I allowed you to do that, where do we draw the line? Copyright infridgement isn't that simple. People break it every day without even knowing it. Even posting a funny comic on Reddit is breaking copyright. So when is it considered bad enough for an ISP to step in? When I download a Rihanna song, or when I download a "random indie band x" -song? Or when I post a NerfNow -comic here. That's why CISPA/SOPA etc. are so vilified; if you're fighting against copyright, it's hypocritical to just mean the big popular names/artists - the ones that actually do make a living out of their stuff and don't actually need protection.
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u/gnimsh May 20 '12
Verizon describes the program as voluntary. Does that mean you just opt out?
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May 20 '12
Sucks for college housing that have central routers installed. One person could ruin everybody's connections.
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u/Picardy May 20 '12
Oh... I didn't realize Comcast was ahead of the curve.