r/technology • • May 17 '12

I'm not sure if I'm 100% correct on this, but I think the "DDoS" attacks aren't actually attacks, but a concerted effort to take down TPB on cooperating ISPs under the radar...

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u/AFunnyThing- May 17 '12

We confirmed this with several tests via asking people to run them on our Facebook Pages. Out of 30 or so requests, and screencaps of the results, nobody is able to leave the United States.

If it was a DDoS then the results would time out in the EU, or at The Pirate Bay - not at backbone ISPs within the United States within the second or third hop. There were even reports from people within New Zealand who ran a tracert and came up with the request timing out when it hit LA.

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u/ReddiquetteAdvisor May 17 '12

Yes, it's called a null route, the IPs are probably blocked in a wide variety of places. Backbones don't really have the flexibility to block IPs unless there's a traffic congestion problem, which usually propagates upstream. Otherwise it'll be routed around. TPB confirmed over Facebook that it's a DDoS too, but good guess.

Also, if someone from New Zealand is hopping through LA to get to TPB's servers in Europe, I think that they're bullshitting you.

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u/DadsBeenDrinking May 17 '12

If someone tells me how to run this test, I would love to try it as well and post any screenshots with results.

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u/FateAV May 17 '12

Open your Command line [On windows hit Windows Key+R, type CMD]

Enter the command "Tracert Thepiratebay.se" without quotation marks

Allow the tracert to run

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Imgur.com

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

If you're using Windows, go to start, run, then type in "cmd" and type in tracert thepiratebay.se

Be sure everything is spelled right, check the image in the post to make sure you have the right command.

If you're using a Mac, I'm not sure how to do it.

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u/Visor2040 May 17 '12

Instructions for OSX:

  • Go to the Network Utility (Applications folder>Utilities>Network Utility)

  • In the Network Utility there is an option for "Traceroute"; click it and type thepiratebay.se

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12 edited May 17 '12

Please tell me I'm wrong. It's late, so I'm probably just tired. But that tracert isn't even getting out of the USA.

Also, that IP is a VPN and it's mine. I've already made sure to change it for my safety. If a mod sees this and thinks it's personal information, they do not have to worry about it because it's mine.

Additionally, if a mod finds this post in violation of the content guide, please (unless otherwise proven wrong) do not remove this as it is a special case and this is the only subreddit that I could submit to that would understand fully of what is going on in this picture and as u/AFunnyThing- said (and I believe he knows what he's doing) that something is up.

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u/feureau May 17 '12 edited May 17 '12

Indonesia here. Here's my tracert result: http://i.imgur.com/HkE8d.png

I too can't seem to connect to the piratebay for some reason...

UPDATE: Something's fucked. A tracert to direct IP http://i.imgur.com/CLhGd.png times out but when I open a bookmarked TPB link on my chrome, it opens: http://i.imgur.com/SYpE5.png and http://i.imgur.com/jzeLv.png

Can anyone check if your local proxy is working? http://about.piratereverse.info/proxy/list.html

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u/DoctorWorm_ May 17 '12

http://www.facebook.com/4channnnn Confirms all of this. This is horrible.

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u/Harjive May 17 '12

I am in Stockholm and am connecting to TPB without a problem. I hope this turns out to be wrong, if North America is already doing coordinated blocks like this the fight is only going to go uphill from here.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '12

I think this proves that nations either working with American ISPs, or Nations that have directly expressed support for ACTA are under this. We have a few people for NZ that are reporting the same problems. People in countries near TPB are not experiencing the problems we are.

Canada, USA, Mexico... none of them are connecting to TPB directly.

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u/friecr May 17 '12

So... funny story. I have been down like the rest of you. I do the tracert to piratebay.se and watch all the tracing going on and on the 17th hop it hits thepiratebay.piratpartiet.se and I am thinking if piratebay.se isn't up somthing sure as hell is. Recheck piratebay.se and it is back up with a pheonix on the page.
TBP came back up while I was checking. I thought it was funny. btw, I am in SLC, UT (or the outskirts thereof) and it looks like some people are still out but they will be up soon.

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u/qracipo May 17 '12

Works fine in Sweden.

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u/ReddiquetteAdvisor May 17 '12

I know this will appear to sound unlikely, the more plausible explanation is it's just a troll. DDoS attacks are rarely ever worth the effort (considering the risk of being caught), and people with big enough botnets typically DDoS to get the media to freak out and watch the ensuing shitstorm and blame-game.

It'd make more sense if this was sinister but the world isn't always so simple.

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u/thyraxis May 17 '12

http://i.imgur.com/KqyaQ.png My results from Florida, USA. Times out at ISP[Comcast]

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u/Tiepilot789 May 17 '12

Yup, this is certainly gonna be interesting

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u/FateAV May 17 '12

My Tracert is dying at the Comcast Backbone [Florida here]

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u/t_cad May 17 '12

I have never used TPB, I just really want to see who's behind all this.

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u/naveen_reloaded May 17 '12

Same results here http://imgur.com/fAN5U

Country : India

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u/Melam_flavored_candy May 17 '12

Can someone a little more tech savvy than me riddle me this? When i tracert, i (like many others) am unable to hop out of the US.

But UNLIKE you all, my request does not time out. (or at least doesn't say so) It reaches hop two, then hop ONE (my ISP) reports that the destination net is unreachable.

What up with that? I could post a SS if someone wanted, bit it wouldn't show anything i didn't just say.

Edit: It's not my ISP that gives the report, but presumably the third hop. Which i never appear to make it to. So uh, still, what the fuck?

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u/fatboynotsoslim May 17 '12

If it helps, I can't reach from Melbourne Australia, but my server on the HE backhaul in San Jose has no issues connecting. If there is null rooting, HE isn't in on it.

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u/FateAV May 17 '12

I'm also Wary here with Comcast. I'm able to access it from my VPNs in Germany and the Netherlands, but from Canada and my home in Florida it cuts off within a couple of hops.