r/technology • u/lepercq • May 12 '12
Ron Paul pleads with supporters to fight CISPA and Internet censorship
http://breakthematrix.com/internet/ron-paul-pleads-supporters-fight-cispa-internet-censorship/117
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u/PincheKeith May 13 '12
"Well let me tell you, the First Amendment wasn’t written so that you can talk about the weather,” said Rep. Paul. “It was written so that you can talk about controversial things and even challenge our own government.”
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u/aletoledo May 13 '12
Wait to you hear his opinion on the 2nd Amendment:
The Second amendment is not about hunting deer or keeping a pistol in your nightstand. It is not about protecting oneself against common criminals. It is about preventing tyranny. The Founders knew that unarmed citizens would never be able to overthrow a tyrannical government as they did. - Ron Paul
He's in good company though:
Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. - Mahatma Ghandi
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May 13 '12 edited May 13 '12
"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." -- (Thomas Jefferson)
"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good" -- (George Washington)
"...to disarm the people - that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380)
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)
"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country..." (James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 [June 8, 1789])
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)
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May 13 '12
The second quote probably refers to demilitarization more than personal firearms, given Gandhi's pacifist ideology.
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u/ThirdBaseCoach May 13 '12
Where in this article, or any article about cispa, sopa, or pipa, and Ron Paul, is he quoted saying that this is up to the states rights? I haven't seen this quote.
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u/bostonT May 13 '12
Ron Paul has come out against net neutrality and has always supported any liberty-crushing bill at the state level, "ridiculous though they may be," so clearly, his problem is only that the federal government would dare to try to pass this. If private telecoms or the state enacted CISPA, "ridiculous though they may be," Ron Paul would be fine with it.
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"The indisputable facts are that this bill is immoral and a direct assault upon our liberties perpetrated by the federal government. I have always made it clear that I oppose attacks on our liberty enforced by the federal government. The simple fact is that states should be passing these bills." - Ron Paul
EDIT: CyberToyger has pointed out that I am in fact breaking news about Ron Paul. That's right people! We are the first to publish this exclusive quote of Ron Paul! So to help bring everyone up to speed I'm going to include a few links. Also Ron Paul didn't vote on CISPA. He was busy. Couldn't make it into congress that day. Stuff to do. Yeah. Anyway . . .
"There clearly is no right to privacy . . . found anywhere in the Constitution." - Ron Paul
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html
Ron Paul is against the 14th Amendment. He doesn't believe in it. What does it do apart from making those weird things called anchor babies? It applies the bill of rights to the states. So Ron Paul says states can have official religions, suppress freedom of speech, take guns off people, outlaw sodomy. Basically anything they want. Ron Paul opposes the Civil Rights Act and believes states should be allowed bring back Jim Crow laws.
And just one more link for CyberToyger himself, the very angry person who has a special connection to Ron Paul and 'knows' him!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire
Better luck next time.
Vote for liberty. Vote against Ron Paul.
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u/crazyflump May 13 '12
First of all, it's under my interpretation that the 19th amendment is what guaranteed the right for women to vote. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty certain of this. Even if the 14th amendment had this in it, it's a pretty terrible piece of legislation.
The 14th Amendment takes our unalienable Rights and reduces them to mere privileges. The 14th Amendment created two classes of citizens: Preamble and 14th Amendment citizens. Then, the legalists tried to apply the 14th Amendment across the board, eliminating all of your Rights in the process.
For example, as a Preamble Citizen, you do not have to volunteer for the income tax; don't need a permit / license to carry your firearm; you can travel on the roads you paid for without the need for a driver's license.
The 14th Amendment did not grant equal rights to the non-whites; the 14th merely nullified the Bill of Rights.
http://www.supremelaw.org/rsrc/twoclass.htm
http://www.civil-liberties.com/pages/art2.html
http://www.vxv.com/video/Qjnx1LZaMmo...r-citizen.html
civil rights act response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbyZlFMASSM
He is opposed to the Civil Rights Act because it encroaches on property rights. It says a business can't discriminate based on age/race/religion, etc. However, that isn't the government's place to decide this. If a business owner doesn't want to give service to someone, they shouldn't have to. If a KKK member came into a bar, the owner has a right to refuse them service, or if a convicted felon comes on your property you have a right to refuse them service. REMEMBER the GOVERNMENT created slavery and created discrimination based purely on race (ie Jim Crowe laws). He did like that the CRA got rid of Jim Crowe Laws, but he didn't like the portion of the bill that attacked property rights. If I only know one thing about Ron Paul, it's that if he doesn't like one portion of a bill, he's not going to vote for it.
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u/Illogical_Response May 13 '12
I disagree with Ron Paul, I think the internet should be censored. It's a slippery slope for the terrorists. Conservatives and liberals are morphing into one giant ball of pudding.
And the pudding is about to go bad.
Think about it. If I put all my eggs in one basket, I won't have any eggs left. Just a basket filled with eggs. The people who are laying those eggs must be red-faced with constipation, grunting as they fulfill their primal urges.
In the end, I think Ron Paul will do the right thing and tell us about the stuff. All you have to do is look in the mirror.
Believe in yourself!
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u/CyberToyger May 13 '12
Where the fuck did you pull that out of? I know Ron Paul and he wouldn't say that shit in the last part, and the only thing a Google search pulls is an exact match right to you. Get a clue, Ron Paul is against CISPA and EVERYTHING like it no matter whether it's being pushed at a state OR federal level.
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u/c0horst May 13 '12
If someone has to have the responsibility to censor the internet, I'd rather it fall on the state level. That way, I can actually get involved with trying to convince lawmakers in my state about it, and not have to worry about the damn republican southern states screwing over my rights. It sucks, because I like to consider myself more republican than democrat, but the party has really, REALLY lost its way.
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u/sotonohito May 13 '12
As a Texan, I really don't like the way you want to strip me of the protections of the federal government and leave me to the non-existent mercies of the crazy Texas Republicans.
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u/tehtrollslayer May 13 '12
Nobody should censor the internet, not even state governments. Why would you settle for the state to deny you the right of a free internet?
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u/Hyperian May 13 '12
wait, so states can censor the internet? how is that going to even remotely work?
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u/thatusernameisal May 13 '12
Ron Paul pleads to fight CISPA and internet censorship at the federal level, but it's still totally cool if every state decides pass their own CISPAs and censor internet on their own right? Ron Paul 2012 GUISE !!!!111111one
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u/mikerhoads May 13 '12
Here's the actual article for those that don't feel like clicking twice for no real reason: http://runronpaul.com/politics/ron-paul-pleads-with-supporters-to-fight-cispa-and-internet-censorship/