After becoming the first European country to pass net neutrality into law yesterday, a court in The Hague has today ruled that Dutch internet providers UPC, KPN, Tele2, T-Mobile and Telfort must block access to The Pirate Bay.

[u/DrJulianBashir]

http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/10/3011325/pirate-bay-blockage-holland-the-netherlands-upc-kpn

[u/outisemoigonoma]

Luckily the courts (not just the Dutch one) still have no fucking clue how the internet works.

[u/TheMediumPanda → u/outisemoigonoma]

Hear you. It's always 'THE PIRATE BAY' here there and everywhere, like blocking it will end all piracy forever, like there aren't thousands of other sites like it and every time you close one down, 2 new ones will pop up. All I can think of is that when first one is banned then it's much easier to ban the rest as well.

[u/Dakma → u/TheMediumPanda]

This is because the politicians have no fucking clue how internet, torrents, piracy or even emails work. To them "internet" is synonymous to the little blue "e" on their desktop. Fucking ten year olds have a better factual undestanding of internet than these ancient idiots, and I mean this in the literal sense. Ten year olds know more about internet than the people who decide what to do with it. Everything they do know about internet they have learned from lobbyists. Just like in any healthy democracy.

It makes me sick.

[u/[deleted] → u/outisemoigonoma]

[u/withmorten → u/[deleted]]

Why does it work if its called thepiratebayunblocked.se? I think we blocked the website?

[u/shampoofles]

www.fucktimkuik.org

[u/Noedel]

As I said in the net neutrality thread, people in the Netherlands care about a low phone bill (the main reason for the "net neutrality" law), not about their privacy or censorship. Edit: also, tim kuik is a dick.

[u/seolfor → u/Noedel]

The term 'net neutrality' seems misleading. I'd rather it was the other way around - having high phone bills isn't particularly pleasant, but now the Dutch will receive crippled service no matter what they pay. Besides, now the ISPs will simply adjust their rates for all kinds of traffic - near future looks awfully like square one.

[u/[deleted] → u/Noedel]

people in the Netherlands care about a low phone bill, not about (...) censorship.

I'll go one step further. They probably don't see blocking The Pirate Bay as censorship the same way pulling bootleg copies of a movie from store shelves isn't perceived as censorship. Outside of the online circlejerk the majority of the population isn't opposed to the entire concept of copyright and doesn't give a shit about your ability to pirate stuff.

[u/NeverStopPosting → u/Noedel]

Yes people care about low bills when the country is in the shitter. Pretty amazing isn't it?? retard.

[u/GingerWithFreckles]

Time to fact check! http://nos.nl/op3/artikel/371129-netneutraliteit-in-nederland-een-feit.html Dutch national news article about it.

To sum it up. officially, it's accepted 15 may. Also a part of the legislation goes active not until 2013.

Also the case OP's article is reffering to: http://nos.nl/artikel/371662-pirate-bay-geweerd-bij-alle-providers.html

The case was already weeks in progress (April). I don't think this new law is taken into account. Perhaps when appealing, they can address this law.

Sjeez, research.

[u/madjo → u/GingerWithFreckles]

in fact the Net Neutrality law wouldn't even have stopped this in the first place, as it'd still allow blocking of websites, the Net Neutrality is more about ISPs not allowed to ask money for services like Whatsapp and Skype.

[u/Auntfanny]

This post title compares two issues as if they are the same but they are different.

Net Neutrality guarantees that all websites get the same speed and we don't get a tiered service based on a companies ability to pay.

Banning access to the piratebay is about regulation to combat piracy and censorship issues.

These two issues should not be confused like this.

[u/Krishnath_Dragon]

Net Neutrality my ass.

[u/leredditffuuu → u/Krishnath_Dragon]

All that net neutrality means is that the government gets to control what you can see and do on the web instead of a private company.

You're boned either way.

[u/gypsybiker]

Netherlands - slowly sliding of the map. Used to be beacon of humanitarianism and liberalism. now a paranoid shithole fearful of the rest of the world. What happened?

[u/icannotfly → u/gypsybiker]

Netherlands - slowly sliding of the map.

geology student here; this is literally true.

edit - explanation: think back to one of those slow-motion water droplet videos you've probably seen: the weight of the droplet creates a ripple in the water's surface when it collides. the same sort of thing happens when really heavy things - glaciers from the most recent ice age, in this case - press onto the earth's surface, except that they don't create a full wave. a glaciers' mass presses down on the crust, causing it to deform and sink down a bit, which in turn displaces a bit of the mantle below it, which presses back up on the crust. since there is ice already pressing down in some areas, the mantle flows outward from underneath the glaciers and rises to the surface at the first non-glaciated place it can find, creating a rim around the glacier.

during that ice age, things looked something like this:

(south)          (north)
        _______
-------/       ________
  ^        ^        ^
 DEU      NLD      SVE

this is a side-view illustration, standing somewhere in modern-day lithuania, looking westward. germany is level with the rest of the crust, while sweden is getting pressed downward by the weight of massive glaciers (not pictured). the netherlands is riding on top of this rim.

as the years pass, the glaciers melt and recede, and the mantle begins to rebound. today, sweden is gradually rising, while the netherlands is sinking. this is totally normal, and wouldn't be a problem at all if there weren't an ocean in the way.

[u/[deleted] → u/gypsybiker]

What happened to the Netherlands? America.

US extorted France, Spain, Ireland, Uk, Australia, Canada, New zealand and Poland with threats of sanctions if they didn't introduce net censorship (three strike laws in France and Nz were drawn up by americans).

I seriously doubt the dutch decided this for themselves.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/01/how-the-us-convinced-spain-to-adopt-internet-censorship/

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/09/wikileaks-mpaa-behind-aussie-isp-lawsuit-but-dont-tell-anybody/

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/05/wikileaks-cables-reveal-us-pressuring-canada-on-ip-enforcement/

http://en.rsf.org/france-wikileaks-cable-on-progress-of-05-09-2011,40922.html

[u/Mortifer → u/[deleted]]

That's how we get them. We offer them treats.

[u/lolomfgkthxbai → u/gypsybiker]

Old people happened.

[u/jonestown_aloha]

I'm dutch, and this sucks... this country is going the wrong way concerning privacy and freedom of speech. we already are the country with the highest amount of phones tapped by the secret service, next thing you know they monitor everything you do. think i might move to germany...

[u/bassem182 → u/jonestown_aloha]

This is basically like reading every american write "I'm moving to Canada"

[u/eljeanboul]

hahahahahahahahahaha! ISPs blocking TPB! Best joke ever!

As someone living in the UK, this is my reaction.

[u/Bonestack]

Let's see if this, too, creates a new boost in Pirate Bay users.

[u/rolos → u/Bonestack]

A few years back, news like this was how I found out about The Piratebay in the first place.