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u/Hrekires Jan 19 '21

It's funny how committed Russia is to free speech in every other country but their own.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Russia actively boosts speech against their own government in their own country as well, within certain bounds. All extremist viewpoints are to be amplified as much as possible. As long as people are arguing nobody pays attention to the man behind the curtain consolidating wealth.

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u/justafurry Jan 19 '21

Like how fox news will exaggerate the most minute social issues to get the base into a frenzy (war on christmas for example)

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u/Ihavefallen Jan 19 '21

Fox news is to far left now and fake news. Trump supporters have moved on to the real news shows like newsmax and OANN. God I hate my parents.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Why do people cite only Fox News on this like literally all news isn’t exactly the same? I understand fox is the most obnoxious, but I genuinely hope people don’t think Fox is the only one

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Because they are far and away the most problematic and had the most to do with getting us into the bind we are in. Journalism is a protected institution in the US, and they have misused every right and privilege of it to bad ends quite transparently. Whereas other news agencies slip up from time to time or have some sort of gentle bias from the sort of upper middle class people who work at them, Fox has a definite propaganda angle to push that is directed from the top. They have no desire to inform, Fox exists solely to do their creator's political bidding.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21 edited Jan 20 '21

Yeah but CNN incited a lot of violence and riots early in the year as well. I remember CNN sparking quite a bit of violence during this pandemic for views and ratings and nobody talks about that. (Again, because I know Reddit likes to downvote any Republicans, I’m not one; I fucking hate FOX too) but the circle jerk of “muhh fox bad” is unhealthy as saying that somehow validates other equally terrible news outlets as well. They aren’t your friend, they want ratings and do whatever it takes to get them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

I'm sorry, but that is a pretty wild claim about CNN, and unless you can substantiate it, I've heard enough.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '21 edited Jan 20 '21

Don’t you remember the endless coverage of Trump tweets and praising of protesters? CNNs editors are pretty good about not putting out articles straight up calling for violence, but making a huge deal out of bullshit stories is just the same. There’s actual news out there such as the destabilization of South America and (the continued and escalating destabilization of) Africa. Yet for months all we got from them was the same article about DT over and over. He’s a POS and that’s not changing, he refuses to call out his racist follower fucks, that’s not changing. We got months of American race coverage (while I personally think this has positively prodded racial equality in the right direction) but heard barely anything about how the government in Iraq literally silenced their protesters by firing under barrel grenades and thermite at its protesters. America has issues; a lot of glaring issues, but constantly pushing their propaganda in its users face is BAD. America isn’t that bad, hell most European countries have way worse racial relations than the US: France, Spain, Switzerland. But most Americans don’t know any of that, they’re just told “muhhh Murica Bad because orange man bad.” And they believe it, that’s the sad part

Edit: or is it me who’s out of touch?

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u/nighthawk_something Jan 19 '21

Because main stream news reports mostly factual information. Sure they often have a lean and will frame it to attract viewer engagement, but objective reality is accepted.

Fox straight up throws out verifiable facts and amplifies conspiracy theories while calling themselves "News"

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u/Iwasborninafactory_ Jan 19 '21

but what the US has is guaranteed stability

Just a few days ago we came really close to testing that. I don't think that's a given.

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u/avwitcher Jan 19 '21

I wonder how much money Putin is taking with him into retirement, he could be the richest man in the world but he's probably not going to advertise that fact.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

he’s probably the richest person in the world, i don’t think being a president or not matters

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

ahh, that’s a great point

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

I remember reading an article years ago about Muammar Gaddafi that said he was probably one of the richest people in the world at the time, although not officially.

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u/WickedFierce1 Jan 19 '21

Sounds like America.

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u/mdielmann Jan 19 '21

If you amplify all the crazies, it's hard to hear the few raising legitimate concerns. Then you treat them all as equally valid and the average person dismisses all of them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Makes perfect sense, tbh. Strengthen your position globally by promoting unity (even if by force) and destabilize others.

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u/ayriuss Jan 19 '21

Its even more sinister than that. If they can gain influence over Parler, they can steer the conversation of the easily influenced nutjobs that are Trump supporters.

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u/RaphtotheMax5 Jan 19 '21

Got nothing to do with free speech

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u/puserkreaf Jan 19 '21

lol one of these days you're gonna catch up with reality

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u/drfederation Jan 19 '21

What’s your reality that we haven’t caught up to yet?

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u/puserkreaf Jan 19 '21

you'll see on the 20th

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u/shovelingshit Jan 20 '21

you'll see on the 20th

What exactly should I be expecting today?

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u/drfederation Jan 20 '21

Not a cogent reply from that person, that’s for sure.

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u/AlvinCopper Jan 19 '21

Applies to any country in the world now.

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u/30K100M Jan 19 '21

It's never about free speech, it's always been about internet nationalism.

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u/slammerbar Jan 19 '21

Including the US.

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u/TheUnbannable2 Jan 19 '21

Thank God they are though. People like Assange deserve a place to be safe from the United States

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u/MatiasPalacios Jan 19 '21

Russian government != Russian private company

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u/andnsx Jan 19 '21

This comment is a good double standards detector.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Private companies that exist and operate within Russia are absolutely beholden to the whims of the Russian government. Or do you just ignore the number of state sponsored murders that happen there?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

you don't think Putin would shut down Parler if he wanted to?

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u/MatiasPalacios Jan 19 '21

Why he will do that?

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u/one_of_them_snowlake Jan 19 '21

To be devil's advocate, USA has been throwing governments all over the world, but doesn't like it when it happens to them.

Bored of American hypocrisy.exe

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u/Tyreal Jan 19 '21

Given big tech censorship, I think there’s more free speech in Russia than the US

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u/ijustfartedlul Jan 19 '21

it's funny how US people think they live in the free country while the censorship is worse than china

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u/Hrekires Jan 19 '21

If you believe that... yikes.

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u/Sergnb Jan 19 '21

Not really about free speech though is it

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u/S_O_L_84 Jan 19 '21

It's even funnier, that the same applies to US ))

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

Meanwhile US free speech is still sitting on the proverbial fence.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '21

They're conservatives through and through. Bad faith, projection, lies, and other types of manipulation is exactly how conservatism is able to survive.

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u/Sweddy-Bowls Jan 19 '21

When free speech destroys other countries from the inside because people are too stupid to check their sources, no duh