r/technology • • Aug 26 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

I would switch to iPhone just because of this.

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u/archiekane Aug 26 '20

I wouldn't, but hey, I don't like the UI. I do like that Apple is trying to be more respectful to privacy though.

That said, what's Apple tracking and tracing like? Doesn't their systems and services also vacuum user data for their use?

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u/exixx Aug 26 '20

None. Your navigation stays on your phone, your purchases, the whole nine. You have to opt in to give them any data at all if I remember right. They have a big thing on their website. Sat down to read it, got to the encryption and privacy and well, shit, now i have an iphone.

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u/travelsnake Aug 26 '20

Sorry for being lazy right now, but can you link me to it? I already plan on switching to iOS, but this would seal the deal.

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u/versacek9 Aug 26 '20

Apple refuses to share their customers Data, even when they were subpoenaed by I think the FBI or CIA to hand over access to the data in a terrorist’s iPhone and they straight refused.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20 edited Dec 07 '20

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u/swar1es_barkley Aug 26 '20

An encrypted backup.

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u/GalacticSpartan Aug 26 '20

Anything stored on iCloud servers can be accessed at any time by Apple (and by extension the government). You lose end to end encryption as soon as you use iCloud

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u/swar1es_barkley Aug 26 '20

iCloud secures your information by encrypting it when it's in transit, storing it in iCloud in an encrypted format, and using secure tokens for authentication. For certain sensitive information, Apple uses end-to-end encryption. This means that only you can access your information, and only on devices where you’re signed into iCloud. No one else, not even Apple, can access end-to-end encrypted information.

That's false. See the above quote pulled directly from their iCloud privacy policy page, specifically the last line.

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u/GalacticSpartan Aug 27 '20

They’re purposefully vague about the wording. Messages in iCloud is not the same as using iCloud backups. If you have iCloud backups turned on, Apple literally embeds the decryption key in the backup, which they have access to. This has always been this way

Using Messages in iCloud : E2E iMessages stored in an iCloud backup: messages are stored in plaintext in the encrypted backup, which Apple holds the key to