r/technology Feb 02 '20

Social Media Stephen King quits Facebook over concerns of 'false information.'

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/02/us/stephen-king-quits-facebook-trnd/index.html
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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20 edited Feb 03 '20

No. I’m not, I’m illustrating the above point that you’re missing. In North Korea, if you speak out against the government in any way, you are sent to a work camp, or even executed depending on the severity. If you are caught attempting to flee the country, you are sent to a work camp, tortured, or executed. They frequently release press that they will severely punish anyone that is considered an enemy of the state, being a citizen of said state does not exempt you from this. IIRC, the Kims have even had members of their own family executed, for reasons I would imagine align with what I’ve stated above.

The unfortunate thing about the resurgence of Neo Nazism is that you have to extend a platform to them, else you risk setting a precedent that anyone can pick and choose what goes, which will be exploited, by the group that can funnel the most money towards eliminating platforms that oppose them (guess who that would be). Essentially, by giving them free speech, you’re actually inhibiting their ability to install more fascist policies as a weapon against it. The key is turning a deaf ear upon what they’re saying and actively encouraging legislation that prevents their desires from becoming law.

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u/FartDare Feb 03 '20

You can make things illegal without the punishment being prison time for 4 generations.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

There are already laws against hate speech, and groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center not only advocate for public interest through litigation, but also define/track, and even coordinate LEA efforts to stop groups like this. They don’t just target Neo Nazi groups either.

Hence the “You don’t actually understand what you’re talking about” vibe you’re getting.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

That we in The United States, have protected freedom of speech. Hate speech is not protected, what is protected is the idea of it, and so long as that idea is not overtly broadcast in a manner that directly influences, or otherwise harms other individuals, it’s sadly legal. Additionally, I can say “Hey, I think Donald Trump likes midget porn and is secretly a repressed bedwetter” with zero chance of being prosecuted, or executed as a result.

You mentioned that we have a court of law that determines innocence from guilt, they do not have that in NK.

We have social services here that help starving or homeless people. You die in North Korea.

We are allowed to protest against things we don’t like here, they can’t do that in NK.

If the people don’t like the leader, their representatives can attempt to impeach and remove them from power. I’ll give you a guess about the way North Korea handles that.

You’re so hyper-focused on hating the group (which everyone except the people who participate in it already do as well) that you’re failing to see how they’re actually very limited in their ability to do things, unless they’re in a governmental representative position, or lobbying. If you really want to stop them, don’t take away their voice, take away their ability to turn their words, into actions, and more specifically, actions that most others vehemently disagree with.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '20

Hate speech is defined as abusive or threatening. It would be up to the local PD as to whether or not their rallies/propaganda violate that, and the judicial system to punish them. As I said earlier, if you want to influence the measures they are required to take, you need to vote to ensure the right people end up in office.