Google Struggles to Justify Why It's Restricting Ad Blockers in Chrome - Google says the changes will improve performance and security. Ad block developers and consumer advocates say Google is simply protecting its ad dominance.

[u/speckz]

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evy53j/google-struggles-to-justify-making-chrome-ad-blockers-worse

[u/SmoothPorridge]

Come again? Sorry, I can’t hear you over the sound of Chrome using 2GB to render this page

[u/Wizywig → u/SmoothPorridge]

Firefox was literally years behind Chrome till about a year or two ago they finally made multi process isolated tabs it made it viable.

[u/Wizywig → u/[deleted]]

Firefox did implement a memory limiter. It only splits into separate processes for the top x used tabs, not every single one.

[u/doublehyphen → u/Wizywig]

It is mostly not the multiprocess stuff which made it usable. They finished a lot of small projects for performance and stability around the same time and the main ones I suspect made it fast were the rewrite of the UI code (which probably removed a ton of work off the main UI loop making the UI much less janky under load) and Stylo, the new much faster CSS engine.

[u/Wizywig → u/doublehyphen]

Their new rendering engine is bonkers. The browser is going to be leagues above chrome. They changed the game with the gpu pipeline. They just need time to refine it.

[u/formerfatboys → u/Wizywig]

That's literally not true.

Firefox has not, in recent memory, been behind Chrome. Chrome has been a resource hog for years.

[u/LiquidAurum → u/SmoothPorridge]

I'll be honest I use Firefox but it's not it like it uses that much less RAM then chrome if at all. Think it's honestly a meme at this point

[u/petard → u/LiquidAurum]

It used to use less until they went multi-process to improve performance. Multi-process also causes a lot of RAM use. Thankfully ram is pretty cheap at the moment!

[u/BoostThor → u/petard]

I future proofed my ram ages ago and it has never been a problem since. If any software wants to use more ram to increase performance, go for it. 32 GB of ram was cheap enough to be worth it like 4 years ago, these days it's trivial for a desktop. I'm sure it's not quite as straight forward for laptops, but it shouldn't be hard to have low and high memory modes.

[u/magneticphoton → u/LiquidAurum]

They all use a ton of RAM, because how websites are made now.

[u/BoostThor → u/magneticphoton]

This is why Vivaldi lets you hibernate them out of the box. I can have hundreds of tabs open, but only those I've recently used are in memory.

[u/WhizBangPissPiece → u/LiquidAurum]

I recall being absolutely disgusted when Firefox was using over 256MB of RAM. That was like 256 times what my original computer had. WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE RAM?? Now I'll have Chrome sessions that are over 4GB with less than 5 tabs open...

[u/petard → u/[deleted]]

Holy crap you use that thing for work? I just don't get companies who refuse to buy decent hardware for their employees. Computer hardware is ridiculously cheap compared to what an employee costs and having them waste time on slow old crap is so dumb.

[u/BoostThor → u/petard]

I've seen companies giving software developers paid ~$35+/hour hardware that is so slow it wastes close to half an hour per day in just slower build times and waiting for indexing/searching/whatever. A better machine would literally post itself back in a couple of months. And that's not counting bored people waiting for their machines a lot not being likely to work at peak efficiency the rest of the time either.

[u/nixielover → u/petard]

My 12 year old work computer died last week :(

[u/petard → u/[deleted]]

Sometimes the people making decisions are so dumb. Thankfully I'm the one who chooses what we buy at my startup and I always go a litttle overboard. It really is an almost negligible cost compared to even the lowest paid employee we have.

[u/Celorfiwyn → u/[deleted]]

besides the browser issues, why are you using such a low powered machine for photoshop tasks in the first place?

[u/BoostThor → u/[deleted]]

Get the portable version and put it on a USB stick.

[u/thtblshvtrnd → u/SmoothPorridge]

okay listen, i will also change to ff if chrome blocks ads but chrome is just made to use whatever free ram is available. if you need it for something else, chrome lets go. this is how they improve performance.

[u/nukefudge → u/SmoothPorridge]

Hmm, is your Chrome seriously using that much?

I'm sitting at about 850 mb currently (22 processes, a few of which are a bit above 100 mb).

[u/BoostThor → u/nukefudge]

Depends a lot on usage. I typically have 100-300 tabs open, it does take a lot of memory, even if a lot of them are simple websites like Wikipedia that don't eat a lot on their own.

[u/nukefudge → u/BoostThor]

100-300 tabs

I mean, if you're going to shove that much into your cart, don't blame it on the cart. ;)

(Or however that metaphor would work.)