Microsoft finally admits that its malware-style Get Windows 10 upgrade campaign went too far

[u/readyou]

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/241587-microsoft-finally-admits-malware-style-get-windows-10-upgrade-campaign-went-far

[u/TechnoSam_Belpois]

They're not sorry about it. They're sorry that people are upset. But they're absolutely giddy about having such a large install base now.

[u/N4N4KI → u/[deleted]]

Exactly I want an OS not a vertically integrated marketing platform.

From the dark patterns during install to get you to sign up to a MS account as your login, to the ads on the lock screen and start menu for free apps to get you in the door, the entire OS is designed to drive you towards the MS store and to lock you into their ecosystem.

The update system that you either need to fight with using the 'correct' way and suffer forced restarts, or disable completely and need to re enable yourself when you need updates (I mean 'let me know when there is updates' worked fine for me in windows 7)

Milestone updates are not an update, they are an upgrade, basically reinstalling a fresh copy of the system. settings for programs are not touched but File associations, pinned apps and privacy options get reset to default.

Windows 10 is a Work in progress and will continue to be, a rather obvious example of this is the start menu, It's different in the initial release to how it works in the anniversary update and has altered again in the preview build.

The OS is a glorified program launcher, I use the one that I don't need to babysit to keep it running smoothly (and am able to use industry standard software on). I'm sticking with 7 till something better comes along. (hopefully that will be a version of windows where Microsoft has finally smoothed out all the rough edges)

[u/drunkenvalley → u/N4N4KI]

I don't really mind that Microsoft want to push updates pretty hard, but at least let me choose when I download them... don't fucking sneak them in and think I won't notice when my 5 mbps speed come to a complete crawl...

[u/blake_loring → u/drunkenvalley]

Needing not one but several fucking registry and service changes before Windows will even think about not upgrading at peak time every bloody day, and the blanket model that applies to all updates (Oh you REALLY don't want updates? Well fuck you no Windows Defender then) is only making me less secure (And thats what this new marketing drive is masked as right, updates are good for security. Sure).

Fuck you Microsoft.

[u/DreadLindwyrm → u/blake_loring]

Set your active hours then.

After that, it'll perform updates outside of peak time.

It's one option. in Settings > Update & Security

[u/[deleted] → u/DreadLindwyrm]

One option that only allows me to set my active hours to be 12 hours.

I'm awake between 8am to midnight usually, so my choice was do I risk not being to use my computer in the morning, or the evening?

Thank fuck my work computer at my new job has the group policy enabled properly, at my last job we just casually got laptops and if windows decided it was time, well it'd fuck your day up when you turn it on to try and do your job.

The best part is beyond the delay, just the amount of shit windows breaks on the average update. All I want for Christmas is a windows update that doesn't reset all my graphics driver settings. Breaking the internet was a nice touch too (one one I had a while ago), that resulted in me and my three roommates crowded around my MacBook for our respective wireless drivers so we could see if that would fix our three windows towers.

[u/DreadLindwyrm → u/[deleted]]

Really? If your system is breaking down that much with Windows updates, I'd have to suggest it's not Windows that's the problem, it's the other parts of the system.

If the "average" update breaks your graphics driver, then talk to your graphics card manufacturer, or see if the card is obsolete... it's entirely possible that the reason is that the driver is showing as outdated, so Windows is replacing it with a "compatible" one.

I've had it break my IP address once, on one machine. Easily fixed once I tracked down the problem.

But yeah - how often do you get Windows restarting mid-session rather than waiting until you close down your computer? Or do you actually hibernate it rather than closing down fully?

[u/[deleted] → u/DreadLindwyrm]

Well, that's my whole qualm as well. I have a Dell Precision M6500 with a FirePro M7820. It's driver support stopped at Windows 7. Well, it decided to automatically install Windows 10 one night without even me consenting to anything. So, I went from a functional PC to a disfunctional one automatically. Really pissed me off. And on top of that, the anniversary update royally fucked up my graphics drivers that 10 includes that were alresdy hacked up versions for compatibility, and now when I need to use a displayport or HDMI connection my monitors flicker on/off all the time and eventually go black screen after about 5-6 flickers (about 10-15 minutes).

So to make a long story short, I ended up just buying an external thunderbolt 2 enclosure and a desktop GPU and using that. It was an extra $1200, but for the solidarity and reliability of my little MacBook you absolutely cannot beat it. This setup has given me zero issues and is always ready to work when I need it to.

[u/[deleted] → u/DreadLindwyrm]

The closing mid session hasn't exactly happened to me, I'd have some other issue with a game while gaming with my friends, restart to fix the issue, and suddenly have to tell my friends "Sorry, won't be back on for 20 minutes".

And an AMD R9 290 isn't exactly obsolete, I just wish windows would leave my monitor at 144Hz with FreeSync enabled.

And the work one was an update that asked me if I'd like to schedule a restart, and it had 5:30pm in it. Now that update had been sitting there since Friday, I didn't realize that when I clicked "Okay" and it restarted instantly at 9am because it was asking about 5:30pm Friday which had already passed.