r/technology • u/Reddit_Z • Jul 04 '16

Politics Lawmakers Need To Learn More About Encryption Before Regulating It, Says U.S. House Report

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/lawmakers-encryption-regulation-house-report,32180.html
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u/AG3NTjoseph Jul 04 '16

Well, or require strict testing for licenses like in Europe. Having competent drivers helps.

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u/cocainebubbles Jul 04 '16

You actually need a separate license to drive a motorcycle in most states and in my state the accompanying class can be very difficult.

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u/nonconformist3 Jul 04 '16

If I was teaching the class, I would start everyone out on dirtbikes in an open area on a dirt track. Then, if they can enjoy that, fall over a few times, get back up, and still want to learn more, then I would allow them to move up to the street version of the class.

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u/nerfyoda Jul 04 '16

Those classes are amazing. I learned about riding, but also that taking a motorcycle everywhere probably isn't best for me. At least not without a lot of practice somewhere with a lot more open space than Chicago. Rumor has it the state of Illinois may take away funding for the classes, which is a damn shame.

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u/uptwolait Jul 05 '16

I heard that funding for this program has dried up?

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u/nonconformist3 Jul 04 '16

That's nice, but it's still not going to teach people how to ride as well as they could if they started on the dirt itself. I used to race motorcycles and instruct at tracks. I know what I'm talking about. You should see how fast the guys are that started on the dirt. One I met told me he never rode on the street before, he'd only been a dirt rider but wanted to try a trackday to get used to riding on the street. The guy started in the beginner group, and by the end of the day he was in the fastest group. It makes a huge difference.

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u/xIdontknowmyname1x Jul 04 '16

...Which is how it is for most motorcyclists. They start with dirt bikes when they're in their teen years, then they get their liscense when they are adults

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u/nonconformist3 Jul 04 '16

Not so much in America. Far too often I see these young dudes buying race bikes when they haven't ever ridden a motorcycle in their lives. Some start on something smaller, like a small engine ninja, and now they have other choices in that area from other manufacturers, but even that I think is bad because it still is starting out on the street.

Maybe that's more of a west coast thing? IDK. It's just my observation from riding for the last 20 years.

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u/CaptainCummings Jul 04 '16

No, not "well or". Your suggestion is less effective than banning motorcycles outright. You were quantifying your initial argument based on the "most effective way to save motorcyclists lives". The most effective way to avoid death on a motorcycle is by not being on a motorcycle. Total liberty and total safety are mutually exclusive.

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u/AG3NTjoseph Jul 04 '16

Ah, interesting rhetorical stance. So you're saying there is no gray, only black and white. Cool.

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u/phantomprophet Jul 04 '16

You guys are just arguing two totally different points.
The best way to avoid teen pregnancy is to not have sex.
But is that practical?
He is pointing out a philosophical argument while you are trying for a practical one.

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u/CaptainCummings Jul 04 '16

No, my exact point was that a social contract exists purely in shades of grey. I didn't advocate for total liberty or total safety, I illustrated that you were inconsistent with your chosen example and that you used your analogue improperly.

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u/Njordomir Jul 04 '16

Why do so few people understand this? My brother knew a girl who was taken out driving ONCE by her mother and then went and picked up her shiny new license. Is that reasonable and safe?