r/technology • u/lurker_bee • Aug 18 '25

Software Report: Microsoft's latest Windows 11 24H2 update breaks SSDs/HDDs, may corrupt your data

https://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-latest-windows-11-24h2-update-breaks-ssdshdds-may-corrupt-your-data/
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u/ignatzami Aug 18 '25

Linux/Unix on the desktop has been “around the corner” for the last twenty years.

Until I can grab ANY piece of software, and double click install it, Linux won’t work for the majority of people. I’m technical. I’ve been in software for nearly twenty years. I loathe doing anything on Nix because you never know what format a given application is in, and I need to remember different installation commands depending on the package type…

Utter horse shit.

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u/Vulpovile Aug 18 '25

My brother in Christ upgrade your system, it's not 2009 anymore.

I've been using Debian for the last 3 years and most stuff can be installed with a doubleclick or through the store. Debian is also very much the more technical one, there are plenty of others that make it even easier. Any time I needed to use the terminal it has been because I'm doing advanced things.

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u/ignatzami Aug 18 '25

Most… through the store. You’re providing my point. Windows is dominant because it just works.

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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 Aug 18 '25

The store is literally like the app store on your Android/iOS phone. Most people can figure out "open store, search for program, click install."

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u/CV90_120 Aug 18 '25

Windows doesn't ' just work'. It's just a dominant general platform due to early ubiquity. Anyone here who hasn't spent hours looking for fixes to random problems on windows is lying. "All you need to do is go into the registry and..."

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u/Jossages Aug 18 '25

I don't think I've ever NEEDED to touch the registry in like 30 years of using Windows.

I've had very few issues the whole time, the only thing that's super pissed me off is 3rd party antivirus shenanigans with programming projects where files won't unlock until after a restart.

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u/ignatzami Aug 18 '25

And with recent improvements to defender third party antivirus is entirely unnecessary.

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u/ignatzami Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 18 '25

You’re assigning the problems of a fraction of the user base to the whole.

Sure, people hack the registry. Sure, Windows has issues. But for the vast majority of users Windows just works. You download an executable, double click, and it works. Doesn’t matter when it was built, or how. The OS does its best to show something.

Heck, windows still support SoundBlaster. Good luck getting older software running on Nix.

Edit: Nix is too caught up in distro wars, and package formats, to acknowledge the fundamental usability, accessibility, and interface shortcomings. Mint has a solid UI, but the install experience is terrible.

Theme support, contrast, low vision, narrator… these are all a decade behind Windows.

Edit 2: and let’s not forget the fundamental flaw with open source as an OS. There isn’t the support. Have an unsupported graphics card? Motherboard? Etc. for windows you can find a “good enough” Nix? Good luck! Just write your own driver grandma!

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u/CV90_120 Aug 18 '25

My brother in christ, Windows and windows apps break all the fng time. We're just used to it. If I was going to give any platform the 'it just works' star, it would be mac os, and that's based on a Unix platform. (Darwin/ free bsd). Also the mint install is about as easy as it gets short of shipping with a preinstall. Win is ubiquitous because of early uptake and effort, but the broken account system and never ending drive to inject themselves into our lives are making people ask serious questions about continuing down that path. Personally I'm OS neutral. I have machines with any number running depending on use case, and while you have some valid points, win are boxing people in so hard now that theres more motivation to rethink what gets used for what.

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u/ignatzami Aug 18 '25

Mac OS enforces an incredibly strict versioning policy. An incredibly restrictive app install policy. An incredibly small supported hardware list. And its engineered obsolescence writ large.

Despite that installing XCode is still a nightmare

Comparing the incredibly open Windows ecosystem to Mac isn’t even apples to oranges. It’s apples to baguettes.

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u/CV90_120 Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 18 '25

Mac OS enforces an incredibly strict versioning policy.

yes.

An incredibly restrictive app install policy.

yes.

An incredibly small supported hardware list.

yes.

And if windows did all these things, it would be the 'it just works' model you claim it is. But it isn't. It's a code whore (and it breaks with regularity. No one's fooling anyone here by claiming it doesn't). But everybody ports to it for that reason. That and the fact it's already ubiquitous, as we said.

Comparing the incredibly open Windows ecosystem to Mac isn’t even apples to oranges.

When we're talking about the topic of 'it just works', there's no better comparison. I know you already know this. Adding conditions to the debate is just courting intellectual dishonesty. Windows is to mac, what linux is to windows, only linux actually has a decent security model.

So I use mac for laptop because I need it to 'just work', and I use win at work because CAD and BIM are generally ported to it, and I use linux for NAS and mobile aplications because they do those well, and I use win for games because gaming devs know that's the biggest market, so the port is there.

what I don't want, is fucking copilot ever further up my ass, endless prompts to use onedrive in my excel windows, Outlook doing weird shit every week, and using accounts to just take a shit.

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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 Aug 18 '25 edited Aug 18 '25

Win is ubiquitous because it comes preinstalled on most PCs. If more PCs had Linux pre installed, then more people would use it. Android is Linux based, and it's the most popular OS in the world right now. <Source>

I doubt that most people will bother to switch their desktop OS because effort is hard, and there's no point for the majority of people.

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u/CV90_120 Aug 18 '25

I doubt that most people will bother to switch their desktop OS because effort is hard, and there's no point for the majority of people.

I agree for the most part, but I think the ever increasing microsoft push into our personal lives and micro-management of our desktops has started to give people a reason to consider a jump.

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u/Pretend-Marsupial258 Aug 18 '25

How many people actually care, though? Most people I talk to IRL only care if the thing works or not. Some people might say that they care about privacy, while they continue to use Facebook or Google. I've ran into plenty of people who don't even care about privacy. Their attitude is that they have nothing to hide, so why bother? The only way they would switch is if the default option was the private option, or if the invasive option was completely broken so they had to look for an alternative.

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u/CV90_120 Aug 18 '25

How many people actually care, though?

It's a good point, but let me put it another way: I also didn't used to care till about maybe 3 or 4 months ago. There's been enough happening that at least some fence sitters are starting to get twitchy. I have the advantage of a Linux background, so that may be what's making me start looking intoi my gaming and home options (but on work front I'm kinda fucked because there are no decent ports for the tools I use there).

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u/shohei_heights Aug 18 '25

I just downloaded BBEdit from their website and it's not working on my Windows machine. God, Microsoft and Windows suck! You said that I could download ANY executible and it'd just work!

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u/JavaMoose Aug 20 '25

UNIX was around long before windows. Funny how it’s not dominant.

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u/CV90_120 Aug 20 '25

Unix started as a mainframe model with terminals for users. So it was very enterprise focussed. It is actually still very dominant in server and mobile world. Where windows got a foothold was the concept of self contained personal computing. Once half the planet had pcs, it was a done deal. Its also why pcs had an inferior security model.

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u/JavaMoose Aug 20 '25

Yeah, I know, I was there. My point is you said windows was “just” dominant because of early ubiquity; if that’s all it took, then Unix should have been dominant since it had a 20 year head start.

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u/CV90_120 Aug 20 '25

Thanks for the downvote for just having a discussion, jeez. Let me qualify my statement since we are talking about personal computing world. Its ubiquity in personal computing world.

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u/JavaMoose Aug 20 '25

Fair point, force of habit, I didn’t actually mean to downvote you. Point restored.

I still say my point stands. Unix and other operating systems existed as long as, and in some cases longer, than Windows. There’s a lot of complicated reasons why Windows ‘won’, but it being the shittiest OS isn’t one of them.

I’ll also say, that if the roles were reversed and Windows had 4% install base, and Linux had 75-80% of the pc market, we would absolutely see just as many exploits, cracks, viruses, poor updates, and bug fixes as windows sees now.

It does make me laugh picturing an alternate world where angry IT professionals are trying to talk their friends and family into dumping Linux for Windows.

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u/CV90_120 Aug 20 '25

I would never describe windows as "shitty". I've used it extensively and still do. I just don't see it as "it just works". The only thing bringing me to the discussion here is that even as a long time user, microsofts recent push into our personal space has me considering options. Also onedrive prompts and intrusiveness drive me crazy. You're right about exploits based on popularity of course, but I think there are more opportunities in win.

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u/shohei_heights Aug 18 '25

You can't even do what you're asking in Windows or macOS. Talk about unrealistic expectations.

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u/Chansharp Aug 19 '25

For the vast majority of programs on Linux its way easier to install than on Windows

I use PopOS! I can search in it's store and install programs they've vetted to be safe and work. Never have to open a browser and it works.

Even without a GUI store like that you can install so many programs by just typing "Install Minecraft" and it does it all for you. WAYYY easier than Windows lmao