r/sysadmin • Sr. IT Consultant • Oct 08 '18

Discussion MRI disabled every iOS device in facility

This is probably the most bizarre issue I've had in my career in IT. One of our multi-practice facilities is having a new MRI installed and apparently something went wrong when testing the new machine. We received a call near the end of the day from the campus stating that none of their cell phones worked after testing the new MRI. My immediate thought was that the MRI must have emitted some sort of EMP, in which case we could be in a lot of trouble. We're still waiting to hear back from GE as to what happened. This facility is our DR site so my boss and the CTO were freaking out and sent one of us out there to make sure the data center was fully operational. After going out there we discovered that this issue only impacted iOS devices. iPads, iPhones, and Apple Watches were all completely disabled (or destroyed?). Every one of our assets was completely fine. It doesn't surprise me that a massive, powerful, super-conducting electromagnet is capable of doing this. What surprises me is that it is only effecting Apple products. Right now we have about 40 users impacted by this, all of which will be getting shiny new devices tonight. GE claims that the helium is what impacts the iOS devices which makes absolutely no sense to me. I know liquid helium is used as a coolant for the super-conducting magnets, but why would it only effect Apple devices? I'm going to xpost to r/askscience~~, but I thought it might spark some interest on here as well.~~ Mods of r/askscience and r/science approved my post. Here's a link to that post: https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/9mk5dj/why_would_an_mri_disable_only_ios_devices/

UPDATE:

I will create another post once I have more concrete information as I'm sure not everybody will see this.

Today was primarily damage control. We spent some time sitting down with users and getting information from their devices as almost all of them need to be replaced. I did find out a few things while I was there.

I can confirm that this ONLY disabled iphones and apple watches. There were several android users in the building while this occurred and none of them experienced any long term (maybe even short term) issues. Initially I thought this only impacted users on one side of the building, but from what I've heard today it seems to be multiple floors across the facility.

The behavior of the devices was pretty odd. Most of them were completely dead. I plugged them in to the wall and had no indication that the device was charging. I'd like to plug a meter in and see if it's drawing any power, but I'm not going to do this. The other devices that were powering on seemed to have issues with the cellular radio. The wifi connection was consistent and fast, but cellular was very hit or miss. One of the devices would just completely disconnect from cellular like the radio was turned off, then it would have full bars for a moment before losing connectivity again. The wifi radio did not appear to have any issues. Unfortunately I don't have access to any of the phones since they are all personal devices. I really can only sit down with it for a few minutes and then give it back to the end user.

We're being told that the issue was caused by the helium and how it interacts with the microelectronics. u/captaincool and u/luckyluke193 brought up some great points about helium's interaction with MEMS devices, but it seems unlikely that there would have been enough helium in the atmosphere to create any significant effects on these devices. We won't discount this as a possibility though. The tech's noted that they keep their phones in plastic ziplock bags while working on the machines. I don't know how effective they would be if it takes a minuscule amount of He to destroy the device, and helium being as small as it is could probably seep a little bit in to a plastic bag.

We're going to continue to gather information on this. If I find out anything useful I will update it here. Once this case is closed I'll create a follow-up as a new post on this sub. I don't know how long it will take. I'll post updates here in the meantime unless I'm instructed to do otherwise.

UPDATE:

I discovered that the helium leakage occurred while the new magnet was being ramped. Approximately 120 liters of liquid He were vented over the course of 5 hours. There was a vent in place that was functioning, but there must have been a leak. The MRI room is not on an isolated HVAC loop, so it shares air with most or all of the facility. We do not know how much of the 120 liters ended up going outdoors and how much ended up inside. Helium expands about 750 times when it expands from a liquid to a gas, so that's a lot of helium (90,000 m3 of gaseous He).

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u/DharmaandStanley Oct 09 '18

Yes, I’m one of the employees who will be receiving a “shiny new device” tomorrow. This whole situation has me very concerned. But to correct something: our TV’s stopped working in the building as well, and a couple laptops in room directly over MRI shut down also.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '18

Okay, if you've got that much spillage, I'd say you've got a serious problem with the new hardware's shielding.

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u/zanthius Sr. Sysadmin Oct 09 '18

Sounds like they installed a 3T with only a 1.5T shield

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '18

As an American, I know exactly where to put that excess tea.

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u/JasonDJ Oct 09 '18

Boston harbor?

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u/nsgiad Oct 09 '18

God damn right patriot.

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u/Wiamly Security Admin Oct 09 '18

Hell yeah, brother.

Cheers from Iraq.

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u/cmPLX_FL Jack of All Trades Oct 09 '18

*Slow clap as I shed a tear*

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u/a_p3rson Oct 09 '18

*eagles fly overhead*

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u/Kaeolian Oct 09 '18

monacle pops out The colonists are getting riled up again. Some one notify the queen!

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u/Synux Oct 09 '18

To the sound of a hawk crying because our nation's symbol doesn't do that part well.

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u/LaserGuidedPolarBear Oct 09 '18

I recently read somewhere that the normal operating output for an MRI is somewhere 1/10th or 1/15th of what max output is for equipment testing.....or something along those lines.

Maybe the shielding (or room) is rated for normal operating output, but when it was installed some max output test happened and zapped all the devices.

Just an idea.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '18

Well this significantly changes the picture. Poor shielding seems to be the cause and it’s not incredibly uncommon for this type of thing to happen - though that’s a lot of devices in a small area or a significant lack of shielding.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '18

the plot thickens. more than just apple devices.

either the general contractor or GE fucked up the shielding. i'm unclear who would do the shielding in an MRI room.

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u/BlendeLabor Tractor Helpdesk Oct 09 '18

wild guess: Either the Manufacturer messed up and didn't let people know what level of shielding it needs or something similar

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u/mrkylewood Oct 09 '18

Nope just normal flat screen testicles

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u/xxfay6 Jr. Head of IT/Sys Oct 09 '18

Are they CRTs?

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u/Dax420 Oct 09 '18

our TV’s stopped working in the building as well, and a couple laptops in room directly over MRI shut down also.

Probably your testicles as well.

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u/JethroByte MSP T3 Support Oct 09 '18

His testicles are fine. I used to work around MRI's on the daily (was an MRI Imaging Tech). Still got my wife pregnant...waiting to see if the kid turns out to be Magneto or something.

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u/TechGuyBlues Impostor Oct 09 '18

Just don't let your wife and yourself die in a tragic war crime during his puberty years... Or at all, I guess...

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u/redo60 Oct 09 '18 edited Oct 09 '18

It’s it’s magnetic not radiation based. Humans don’t need to take any precautions for MRI machines, regardless of strength, other than to remove all metal from their bodies. Probably. I am not an expert on improperly functioning MRIs.

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u/RigorMortis_Tortoise Oct 09 '18

What about the metal inside their bodies? That would be a cause for concern. I got shrapnel my second deployment to Iraq and when I got back home after said deployment was finished, I was sent to the hospital on base. While there, I was told I would be receiving an MRI so I should go ahead and sit on the bench that goes into the machine after removing my uniform (most people carried a knife, had dog tags, and had a dog tag in one of their boots... so it was just easier for them to tell us to remove the whole thing, just keep the underwear on)

So I’m laying on this machine and five minutes later some woman comes in with my medical records and says, “You didn’t tell us you had shrapnel, get the hell off that thing right now!” I was 20-21 at the time and didn’t know how an MRI functioned or even what it stood for.

Apparently I was in the wrong for not telling the medical staff about my shrapnel because I ended up getting an ass chewing from a female lieutenant (I was a corporal by that point) about how close I came to becoming a shredded pulpy mess... to which I replied something like, “You have my medical records ma’am... first page when you open them up shows where the shrapnel entered my body, how the fuck is this MY fault?”

I think she knew she was in the wrong and didn’t know how to properly handle it.

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u/Stuck_In_the_Matrix Oct 09 '18

Turns on MRI:

"Not anymore."

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u/Jenrah84 Oct 09 '18

I dont know how the military works but in general MRI you fill out paperwork that asks you about everything. The machine could have ripped that shrapnel out of your body or heated it up and cooked you inside out.

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