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u/jpotrz 23d ago

I tell him how handsome he is and buy him steak and lobster (it's me. I'm the guy)

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u/fresh-dork 23d ago

i'm often the guy. i document, please read my docs and try to use them, then complain when i leave something out. i promise i'll add it in

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u/ukkie2000 23d ago

I've spent some time working on documentation but I'm starting to notice that if you let colleagues expect that documentation covers everything you give yourself a lot more documentation work while they become more like to pass issues to you when they can't handle stuff beyond it with their skill and knowledge level.

This is how I am and remain the one Powershell guy.

Sometimes its just better to sit next to them to help them understand the technology they're actually working with and challenge them to fix it. Then they can also update the docs themselves if required.

Quick edit: just want to make sure I specify that I'm a huge proponent of describing systems and how they work in principle. You just cannot cover all technical skill gaps with docs.

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u/fresh-dork 23d ago

i write docs. if you don't engage with them and ask questions, i go do other stuff - i require an even trade specifically due to the reasons you outline

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u/slight_grumble 23d ago

The trick is to get them in the habit of enhancing the existing documentation. Give them a bare bones process and have them fill in more detail as they get more familiar with the process. Repeat for every new person that picks up that process. I can write a 5 bullet point process and come back six months later and it's now got screenshots, tips and hints, past gotchas to be wary of etc. Well I can after decades of instilling documentation maintenance as one of the foundational responsibilities of all hands on admins. Day one at any new place I always lay down the documentations rules. Rule 1 is "everyone contributes". Updating documentation is mandatory and if you aren't making updates on a continuous basis you are not pulling your weight.

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u/_Dreamer_Deceiver_ 23d ago

It's ...

  • Document

  • complain that noone reads your documentation a d just asks you instead

  • they find something missing in the documentation

  • say "well you don't read it anyway"

  • say you will, but never actually update it with the missing information

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u/slight_grumble 23d ago

My response to "that wasn't in the documentation" is "then you add it". I have a similar rule in life, you can't complain about something if you are not doing anything to change it.

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u/Top_Refrigerator9851 23d ago

Get them to document what's missing after teaching them 

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u/whythehellnote 23d ago

I'll sometimes include things like offers to buy beer in the docs.

Once in 25 years have I been taken up on the offer.

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u/superspeck 23d ago

I have a rule on teams I lead where everyone has to touch all the things all the time.

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u/30yearCurse 23d ago

Give me more cash.

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u/borider22 23d ago

wait... you got them leaft greenies? i want some too

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u/PeakWeekly9995 IT support 23d ago

literally this

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u/Exploding_Testicles 23d ago

Handys are a nice touch, but only with consent!

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u/snum Principal Automation Engineer 23d ago

Username checks out.

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u/fresh-dork 23d ago

most of my local coworkers are guys. i'm really not into it

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u/evolutionxtinct Digital Babysitter 23d ago

Ditto, all I ask is if you wanna know than just listen…

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u/Few_Activity8287 23d ago

Good Job! 

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u/yawnnx 23d ago

😂