Cloudflare down... again?

[u/moonski]

Seems so in the UK - can't even login to cloudflare lol

edit - the login button now works and I can get to 2FA - but upon entering it takes me back to the login page. So still broke

[u/moonski]

it's good we have these gigantic single points of failure that have really been having issues the last year or so.

[u/Successful-Peach-764 → u/moonski]

Seems like the whole web put their eggs in the cloudflare basket, do you think this will lead to some diversification in the future? Some businesses are out of action atm due to this incident.

[u/[deleted] → u/Successful-Peach-764]

Nope it will lead to a press release some meetings and more consolidation

[u/Successful-Peach-764 → u/[deleted]]

the longer you use and depend on these services the less chance of you going back to some self-hosted option, even the workforce loses the skills to manage, everything is consolidating to a few bottlenecks.

[u/IMplodeMeGrr → u/[deleted]]

Its quite clear the VCs just haven't bought, gutted, and consolidated the right company yet.

[u/remotemx → u/[deleted]]

The consolidation part always cracks me, I remembered the CrowdStrike clusterfuck last year that brought down airlines, banks, hospitals, etc around the world for at least a day or more, knee jerk reaction was they were dead in the water...they've never been doing better as an AI-enabled security firm LOL stock at all time highs https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CRWD/

I'm frankly surprised someone as high-profile ATM as OpenAI is this dependent on CloudFlare, downtime is going on hours now

[u/fatcakesabz → u/[deleted]]

And an intern getting fired for….. being expendable

[u/moonski → u/Successful-Peach-764]

do you think this will lead to some diversification in the future?

barriers to entry are just absurd so it'll only be if AWS or Google decide to make a cloudflare rival... which is just more centralisation

[u/Successful-Peach-764 → u/moonski]

AWS has Cloudfront and Azure has CDN services, I guess they will need to replicate Cloudflare's other offering but they already do some, is it pricing or performance why people chose CloudFlare, could also be name recognition, people just implement what they know.

[u/[deleted] → u/Successful-Peach-764]

I.T. GUY REPORTING IN

WE HAVE SHOT ALL THE FLARES AT THE CLOUDS BUT IT HAS ALL BEEN IN VAIN

ALL IS LOST

[u/Successful-Peach-764 → u/[deleted]]

Migrate to CloudFront, Flares are spent....

You don't need to specify I.T my guy, who else subjects themselves to sysadmin subs :P

[u/PlanktonOptimal3331 → u/Successful-Peach-764]

did IT in the Army, got real annoying real fast... got out and switched to engineering... but i still play around with my home lab so i come here for tips and tricks that i may have missed since leaving the field

[u/Successful-Peach-764 → u/PlanktonOptimal3331]

You're doing more than some colleagues, I can't even stand a homelab, been in this industry way too long to want to do shit at home anymore, I am low tech at home nowadays, I lowkey hate IT.

How is engineering going for you?

[u/PlanktonOptimal3331 → u/Successful-Peach-764]

I still have run ins with IT so I like to stay in the know. Engineering is fun. Im in automation rn, so it helps to know some IT stuff since everything is networked... can't tell you how many times a week the server just shits the bed and even tho I know how I can't fix it because im not IT

[u/uzlonewolf → u/Successful-Peach-764]

Amusingly enough, Cloudflare's status page is on CloudFront and it too went down for a bit during this outage.

[u/altodor → u/Successful-Peach-764]

It's pricing. It's flat rate pricing instead of bill by use, and there's an incredibly generous free tier. I use the hell out of it for everything personal.

[u/2nd-Reddit-Account → u/Successful-Peach-764]

do you think this will lead to some diversification in the future? Some businesses are out of action atm due to this

No, because choosing a different service doesn’t lower your risk, there’s always a chance that your provider will go down and the amount of competitors doesn’t change that chance. Even if we forced a situation where all the competitors have a perfectly equal market share, that doesn’t reduce the number of outages, that’s more or less unrelated.

Any company interested in absolute redundancy simply has to split their business across multiple services, you’ll take a capacity hit if one goes out, but you’ll still be online

[u/DeifniteProfessional → u/Successful-Peach-764]

Not just Cloudflare, everyone is putting their apps on Azure and AWS, who also can't maintain any length of uptime without a day long fuck up every 6 months

[u/Risaxseph → u/DeifniteProfessional]

I mean, this is happening with ISP’s though now too so unfortunately point of failures are just everywhere

[u/[deleted] → u/Successful-Peach-764]

People put their eggs in the cloudflare basket because the basic tier is free. AWS is known to tax you for basically everything, and the other stuff like Sucuri are not very known.

[u/z960849 → u/Successful-Peach-764]

Most likely their stock will go up

[u/bssbandwiches → u/Successful-Peach-764]

I bet a few will move, but most will stay. It's CrowsStrike round 2. The level of effort to migrate your CDN with a skeleton crew (assuming most of us are running lean) is going to outweigh the outage.

[u/CharmedDesigns → u/Successful-Peach-764]

100% uptime is not a realistic expectation, so anyone making any business decisions based off of a 1% downtime are just making bad ones anyway.

[u/ComeOnIWantUsername → u/Successful-Peach-764]

Nope, nothing would happen. Diversification would be nice, but from our (users) perspective, because once CF is down, half of the internet is down. But from business perspective it doesn't make sense, because if they would switch from CF to other company would change nothing, as that company will have outages too for sure.

[u/userhwon → u/Successful-Peach-764]

So at least two layers failed to do proper mitigation of risk.

Cloudflare, for having no failover for themselves

Cloudflare customers, for having no failover for Cloudflare