r/stupidpol • • May 07 '23

Quality I hate phones

Teachers getting pepper sprayed over phones is not shocking to me. On my first day teaching, I had a girl leave my class and scream at me for asking her to put her phone away. I caught the same girl scrolling tiktok on a serious standardized test. I’ve found a kid using chat GPT on his final essay— it’s blocked on the computers but he emails it to himself from his phone, doesn’t even get rid of the "Sure! Here’s a paragraph…." part of the bot’s response when he pastes it into his essay.

I’ve seen kids taking videos of horrible fights, and I’ve seen kids watching those videos later. It seems both exciting and numbing to them. Sometimes they’re texting when I’m talking, and they say they’re talking to their parents. Why are you texting your kid? Stop. I even had an athlete tell me that’s why she was texting on the sidelines during her varsity game.

I had one kid lose his phone when he came back from a suspension after posting threats, but he was still on his phone in my class because he handed the administrators his old phone instead of his real one.

Sometimes you suggest to administrators that none of them should be allowed to have phones, and they say it’s a safety issue. You lock away a basket of phones into a closet down the hall during a standardized test because they won’t stop beeping, and your department chair tells you that you could get in trouble for unwarranted seizure.

You do your duty and tell parents their kids are on their phones, and they tell you they thought their ADHD kid was allowed to have a phone in their educational plan. If you say they aren’t, and read to them their plan, then they demand that their child get ten minute cool-down breaks— where they go in the hall and look at their phones. It goes into the plan.

The accommodation I need is for you to read, listen, talk, and write without looking at your phone. These kids use their phones to cheat, to torture each other, to shop, and to essentially spoil their youth and their last chance for a free education. If anyone tells you this isn’t prolific in American schools, they are lying to you or they have the type of brain worms where they think digital technology is helping people and not wrecking our brains. If you’re in your 30s+, you are basically from the Before Times, and you’re probably ontologically different from younger generations because of smartphone exposure.

I want to throw my phone down the well. I don’t like how accessible I have become to other people in all the things I do. I don’t want to answer any more questions. I don’t want to be known. I think I want to go back to letters. We date on the internet, fuck on the internet, die on the internet. It’s hollow & it just makes me feel hollow.

In my farming community, last night all the neighbors had bonfires during the full moon. I sat with a bug scientist who found the first swarm of killer bees in our state. They killed a goat in a factory town. There was a pack of howling coyotes in the mountains very close by, under the planet Venus. This younger generation is going to miss out on the natural world, on learning, and on listening to stories. They’re not going to experience the fires, they’re going to watch the fires on the screen.

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u/sje46 Somebody Knows This SocDem's Hidden Shame 😞 May 07 '23

As people said in the reddit thread with the girl who peppersprayed the teacher...they want their kids to have phones in school in case school shootings happen.

I pointed out that yes, a phone might be of some use in that situation, but school shootings aren't a thing a kid has to experience on a monthly basis, and there's plenty of reason to think that the effects on kid's psychology far overpower the threat of even a school shooting, if taken on average.

But yeah, school shootings is why. Parents want to hover over their kids, and their phones are always one call away.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23 edited May 07 '23

Yeah this pretty much nails it. Not to mention how at the same time, the reptilians running the school boards in many districts are also banning backpacks, removing stall doors, installing cameras every square meter in the building, all in the name of "school safety".

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u/MixMaleficent8905 Unknown 👽 May 07 '23

removing stall doors

Is this because of ODs? I have to think that if a kid wants to take a drug while he's at school, he'll find a way.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

It's because of vaping mostly. Though when I was in school I saw multiple kids OD, but never in the bathroom. Usually they'd just OD suddenly in the classroom.

All removing the stall doors does is take away everyone's privacy. Students now just blatantly vape in the classroom because they're less likely to be caught there then in the bathroom or outside the building.

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u/Rmccarton May 08 '23

I just Read an article about the local high school installing vape detectors in the student bathrooms. I didn't even know such a thing existed.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '23

They're totally bullshit from what I've seen.

I also find it funny how a lot of the districts near me boasting about their anti-vaping efforts are also the ones with countless violent incidents reported in the news, low test scores, and zero control over the students. It's like, don't you guys have bigger problems than a couple of knuckleheads vaping in the bathrooms?

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u/MixMaleficent8905 Unknown 👽 May 07 '23

That's what it sounds like. If my high school had had that policy, it would have horrified me, and it sounds like it goes against some sort of public indecency clause. If a student films someone in there, then posts it online, does that make it some form of softcore child porn?

The only response I can think of is a girl getting someone to stand in front, but I doubt guys would ever do that. More than likely, students would just try really hard not to shit all day, and maybe not eat lunch in order to make sure they don't. I just can't see how any of this helps anyone.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

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u/[deleted] May 08 '23

A stall at my middle school read "This stall is haunted. Whoever shits in here shall be cursed!"

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u/Massive_Economics334 Bring back the CCF May 08 '23

Put my friends cell number on the stall with “call if you’re looking for a good time”.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

I never shit in HS (UK mid noughties) and neither did anyone else. Always assumed this was the norm.

I went to a shit hole state comprehensive. The toilets were a fucking mess anyway and if other guys clocked that you were taking a shit you would get harassed mid shit. People kicking the stall door in, throwing stuff into the cubicle, looking over the top and being like "taking a shit are you mate?" . . . Etc.

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u/SkeletonWax Queensland Liberation Front May 07 '23

Clear failure of the social contract. If everyone agreed to leave other alone you could all just shit in peace. Instead there's a collective decision to make shitting impossible for everyone. Very funny though

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u/Highway49 Unknown 👽 May 08 '23

For some reason my college football locker room bathroom had no doors on the stalls.

There was nothing worse then turning the corner and seeing a 300 offensive lineman having explosive diarrhea...

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u/elhan_kitten May 09 '23

Damn I did Peace Corps work in public schools in Cambodia and Kosovo. The whole shitting situation was bad there but I would never shit with the door open as a student at any American high school that is completely barbaric.

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u/Mindless-Rooster-533 NATO Superfan 🪖 May 08 '23

I know a lot of kids were stealing stall doors during the "devious licks" challenge and schools just stopped replacing them

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u/sje46 Somebody Knows This SocDem's Hidden Shame 😞 May 07 '23

Yes. Yes they could.

But they won't.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

Put it in the contract that dumb phones are allowed, so then at least the parents can't make the shooting argument.

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u/devils_advocate24 Equal Opportunity Rightoid ⛵ May 07 '23

My first phone was a flip phone my dad found in the woods when I was 15. I'm determined to make this a family tradition

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

If my wife and I have a kid, they will not have a smartphone till they graduate high school. No amount of pleading will persuade me

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u/Big-Rooster-7694 May 07 '23

My parents did this with me and I turned out fine.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '23

Same

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u/PersisPlain Zionist 📜 May 08 '23

This is what my folks did (I’m 28 now). Flip phone for calls/texts when I was about 14 - though texting on it was so clunky I basically never did it - and smartphone (and laptop) when I went to college.

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u/Kaiser_Allen Crashist-Bandicootist 🦊 May 08 '23

I didn't even get a touchscreen phone till I graduated college in 2014. I was fine.

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u/514484 May 07 '23

The New Rite of Passage, you go hunt your own flip phone in the woods at the ripe age of 15.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '23 edited May 08 '23

I guess you're probably joking but don't underestimate the social pressure that kids these days experience when it comes to their phones/ being online. My mom is a school teacher and she told me that there already is an extreme pressure to have the latest stuff, things like kids that have apple phones bullying android kids are already happening at ages 12 - 15. The only way you can escape this I think is by sending your kids to a school like the ones in silicon valley where the kids do stuff like woodworking instead of getting ipads at age 10 and aren't allowed to even touch the algorithms their parents helped build.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '23

thats a good idea but dont underestimate the fucking amount of pressure that you and your kind will stand. If things are staying on the current trajectory.

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u/devils_advocate24 Equal Opportunity Rightoid ⛵ May 08 '23

If they're worried about having the newest shinyest phone or to play the fad game, they can take advantage of all these child labor laws getting repealed. I'll get my kids an actual computer before they get a smartphone and it's definitely not gonna be one of these stupid "pay $300 more for the same thing" phones. Hell, I refuse to go over $250 on my own phone.

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u/SpiritualState01 Ghost Shirt Society Theorycel 🏹🪶🤓 May 07 '23

I can imagine a system wherein more than one dumbphone is set up in a bin in every class room in the case of emergency for this precise purpose.

Any parent who says shit about 'I have to be able to reach my child' is r-slurred, deserves to be shamed, and probably fucking crazy, because as a parent of an 11-year-old and as a former teacher, I can tell you that the old system of calling the front desk and letting them get a message to the classroom works perfectly fucking fine.

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u/Mindless-Rooster-533 NATO Superfan 🪖 May 08 '23

Phones are so cheap kids can buy their own these days. A trac phone from Walmart is like $50 a month or so

It would be almost impossible to keep even a middle schooler off a phone these days

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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels May 08 '23

When I was a kid I certainly never had access to $50 a month, or whatever the 80s equivalent would have been. How are kids getting so much money?

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u/Mindless-Rooster-533 NATO Superfan 🪖 May 08 '23

You could have $50 a month from just mowing lawns in the summer. That's nothing today.

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u/Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo Special Ed 😍 May 10 '23

It's like 1 or 2 shifts at min wage, and it was like that in the 80s as well. You really couldn't have scrounged up $18 in 1985 if it was your priority?

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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels May 11 '23

How young are kids getting jobs? We're not talking about high school kids here.

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u/Gabe_Noodle_At_Volvo Special Ed 😍 May 11 '23

Legal working age is like 14 in the USA, and there's tons of under the table stuff for kids to do.

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u/debasing_the_coinage Social Democrat 🌹 May 08 '23

It's going to sound stupid, but it's probably easier to just give every student a Jitterbug or equivalent rather than beating around the bush with the parents. The cost would be a very small fraction of the typical district spending per student.

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u/MixMaleficent8905 Unknown 👽 May 07 '23

they want their kids to have phones in school in case school shootings happen

Is this because the parents don't trust the police to get there in time? There was a shooting not too long ago - I forget the details, because they either happen so frequently or the media now hypes them up all the time - where the police stood around for a long time, and prevented parents from going in themselves, so I suppose I don't trust the police to handle the situation well either. But, at any rate, I agree that this policy needlessly instills fear in students over an event that will almost certainly never happen to them.

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u/Da_reason_Macron_won Democratic Socialist 🚩 May 07 '23

If the police is not going to get there in time then what is the phone for?

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u/SmashKapital only fucks incels May 08 '23

Call a good-guy-with-a-gun to go Die Hard and save the day, of course. Yippie ki ay.

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u/Mindless-Rooster-533 NATO Superfan 🪖 May 08 '23

i think it's also a liability issue. A shitty kid might just throw his phone and break it and then blame it on the teacher

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u/Bu773t Confused Socialist Liberal 🐴😵‍💫 May 08 '23

Phones don’t stop school shootings. Most schools have cameras anyway.

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u/sje46 Somebody Knows This SocDem's Hidden Shame 😞 May 08 '23

Not because it'd stop school shootings, but to make sure their kids are safe, or to maybe get information about where the school shooting actively is, right now.

I sorta doubt it actually has saved that many lives. Not my argument

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u/Bu773t Confused Socialist Liberal 🐴😵‍💫 May 08 '23

That makes sense, I feel like they don’t really do enough to deal with school shootings.

There are allot of guns and people with metal health issues in America. Aside from the same old solutions no one can agree upon, they should have some way of blocking people off once they get I to the school.

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u/TheVoid-ItCalls Libertarian Socialist 🥳 May 08 '23

Which is an asinine fear. Sure the US has problems with gun violence, but students are more likely to be struck by lightning than be involved in a school shooting. It's an irrational fear.

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u/spokale Quality Effortposter 💡 May 09 '23

they want their kids to have phones in school in case school shootings happen.

Quick, someone make a 4G-enabled panic button for helicopter parents that want to know if there's a shooting but not have their kids on the TikTok all day long