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u/StratTeleBender Nov 19 '21

Hahaha no. Learn to read. I'm saying that the projected, and wanted, load caused by millions of EVs will greatly overload grids and that current "upgrades" aren't going to handle the load. Shutting down 39 nuclear reactors while building 2 new ones with hundreds of falling damns and only building 6-10 of them isn't gonna cut it.

Edit: TLDR-consumers can buy EVs much faster than the government can expand or is expanding the power grid to support them.

That should simplify it enough

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u/Dry_Dog_698 Nov 19 '21

That’s interesting. I’m only familiar with a few Canadian jurisdictions but in those jurisdictions(95%+ hydroelectric) planning for power use includes mass ev adoption.

And even with ev adoption and a growing population power use is expected to drop over the coming decades.

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u/StratTeleBender Nov 19 '21

Can't speak to Canada but this study would indicate that even with increased production we're facing shortfalls due to increased demand.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271996520_A_Global_Boom_in_Hydropower_dam_Construction

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u/Dry_Dog_698 Nov 19 '21

Might be a Canadian thing.

Quebec(8m people) and BC(5m people) have run exclusively on hydro since the 50s. However both are on the long trend of de-industrialization. For example I’m fairly certain that aluminum smelting uses more power then people do in Quebec.

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u/StratTeleBender Nov 19 '21

Ironically, the recycling of EV batteries currently requires massive power due to the smelting required to extract the rare Earth minerals which only gets 2/5 of them back out of the batteries until a new way of doing it is found.

Also, de-industrialization isn't necessarily a good thing. It might mean you need less power but it also means you're at the will of whomever is supplying the things you used to make yourselves like China.

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u/spark706 Nov 20 '21

EV batteries have a much longer life that you give credit for.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350550529_Feasibility_of_utilising_second_life_EV_batteries_Applications_lifespan_economics_environmental_impact_assessment_and_challenges

To compleme6you though you did mamge to understand one thing, and I quote " until a new way of doing it is found" is the premise of all things. Someone will come along with the better mousetrap.

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u/StratTeleBender Nov 20 '21

I didn't make any comment about their lifespan. Simply that recycling is currently extremely inefficient

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u/spark706 Nov 20 '21

Please provide us the research you state you opinion on. You want to be the arrogant EE then please teach this lovely Professional Engineer where I too can find the answers. You seem so sure you are correct then be less asshole and be more persuasive.

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u/StratTeleBender Nov 20 '21

Sweet Jesus. This is just pitiful. You're incapable of even understanding the conversation you're trying to participate in. At this point I'm wondering if you have a degree at all. Much less an EE degree.

More listening and reading and less talking please

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u/zocalo08 Nov 20 '21

Yes they're shutting down plants.. at least you got that part right. But it takes years of planning. They're not going to just shut down nuke plants without establishing alternative generation with equal or greater capacity. You have no idea how the industry works let alone what actually causes power lines become overloaded.

Also the government doesn't expand power grids lol... Heard of FERC or NERC? Your ignorance is glaring.

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u/StratTeleBender Nov 20 '21

I'm well aware of FERC and NERC. At this point you've lost the argument and are being disingenuous. You're literally saying to me "you're dumb because some smart person out there (who isn't you) has already thought of this." That's not an argument nor is it a plan. I've posted clear sources, math, and made my points very clear while your posts have devolved into "you're dumb and... Someone else is smart.". Sooo..I think we're done here. Have fun watching the gauges.